timeline vs tags

[Luca Ferrari]

Hi all,
I ask here for a suggestion: I tend to apply to my pictures also a
"year" ag, so that at least I know which yer photos have been taken.
Why not using the timeline? Well, being the son of a professional
photographer I have a quite large archive, that is composed of digital
and re-digitalized (scanned) images. The latter do not have a good
timeline, of course, so I choose this strategy to apply the year tag,
and therefore to keep the collection coherent I applied also to
digital images.
But now that the images are almost always digitally-native, it is
becoming a little annoying.
Do you have a better strategy to face the problem? Or a way to
auto-apply a yeartag based on the timeline?

Thanks,
Luca
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[Alan Pater]

Not sure about the timeline function, but I would hope that it follows
Metadata Working Group guidelines:

    http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf#page=37

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Luca Ferrari <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I ask here for a suggestion: I tend to apply to my pictures also a
> "year" ag, so that at least I know which yer photos have been taken.
> Why not using the timeline? Well, being the son of a professional
> photographer I have a quite large archive, that is composed of digital
> and re-digitalized (scanned) images. The latter do not have a good
> timeline, of course, so I choose this strategy to apply the year tag,
> and therefore to keep the collection coherent I applied also to
> digital images.
> But now that the images are almost always digitally-native, it is
> becoming a little annoying.
> Do you have a better strategy to face the problem? Or a way to
> auto-apply a yeartag based on the timeline?

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[Henrique Santos Fernandes]

You could set the date of the scanned images instead of use tags.

So this images would also appears in timeline!

Would this be better?

Em ter, 22 de set de 2015 às 14:22, Luca Ferrari <[hidden email]> escreveu:

Hi all,
I ask here for a suggestion: I tend to apply to my pictures also a
"year" ag, so that at least I know which yer photos have been taken.
Why not using the timeline? Well, being the son of a professional
photographer I have a quite large archive, that is composed of digital
and re-digitalized (scanned) images. The latter do not have a good
timeline, of course, so I choose this strategy to apply the year tag,
and therefore to keep the collection coherent I applied also to
digital images.
But now that the images are almost always digitally-native, it is
becoming a little annoying.
Do you have a better strategy to face the problem? Or a way to
auto-apply a yeartag based on the timeline?

Thanks,
Luca
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[Gian Paolo Sanino Vattier]

Hi Luca,

My understanding is that to have a common system to all your photos makes more sense sooner or later. Your problem relies on the digitalized photos, so why to have to add an extra task to the digital files? no need since all you have to do is to correct the date on the scanned files.
Are they many? not a problem as long as you know the year they were taken and perhaps even a more accurate date. The tag tool is just one part of the metadata and it allows you to add non standard categories. Date/time is perhaps the most basic info in metadata and thus not the most appropriate tool to deal with just the date field of the metadata.

Instead, my recommendation is just to use the dedicated tool "Adjust Time and Date", under the menu "Image". It provides a lot of options to correct this info (even correcting the original/created exif data). And you can select previously all the files that share the same date and thus, correct them in one step. Then the timeline will work for all your files as well as your filters etc. You can filter using the tag "year" you added previously and then select all the results to get their date corrected in one step. Then you can select them again to remove their unnecessary "year" tag. And repeat for each year.

regards
gps

 

On 09/22/2015 02:21 PM, Luca Ferrari wrote:

Hi all,
I ask here for a suggestion: I tend to apply to my pictures also a
"year" ag, so that at least I know which yer photos have been taken.
Why not using the timeline? Well, being the son of a professional
photographer I have a quite large archive, that is composed of digital
and re-digitalized (scanned) images. The latter do not have a good
timeline, of course, so I choose this strategy to apply the year tag,
and therefore to keep the collection coherent I applied also to
digital images.
But now that the images are almost always digitally-native, it is
becoming a little annoying.
Do you have a better strategy to face the problem? Or a way to
auto-apply a yeartag based on the timeline?

Thanks,
Luca
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Le 22/09/2015 20:31, Gian Paolo Sanino Vattier a écrit :
> Hi Luca,
>
> My understanding is that to have a common system to all your photos
> makes more sense sooner or later. Your problem relies on the digitalized
> photos, so why to have to add an extra task to the digital files? no
> need since all you have to do is to correct the date on the scanned files.

but often you don't.

for me, when I know the date I sort them by date in a folder, if I don't
I use the date of the scan

jdd

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[Martin Burnicki-2]

Alan Pater wrote:
> Not sure about the timeline function, but I would hope that it follows
> Metadata Working Group guidelines:
>
>     http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf#page=37

Thanks for the pointer. This is a very interesting document.

I'm currently also struggling with date/times added manually to scanned
images.

Of course I can add some information on the "Digitized Date/Time", but
the problem is that each time stamp *must* be a complete date and time.
So if I only know the year and month but not the day of month when the
scanned photo I'm scanning was originally taken 20 years ago I always
have to use a fake date, e.g. using "01" for the day of month, and
"00:00:00" for the time even if this is not correct.

It would be better to be able to specify dates like "1935-07" if the day
and time are not known, or just a year number, but it looks like the
metatags don't support this.

Martin

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[Alan Pater]

In my old scanned images - of my grandfather for instance - I pick a
date in the middle of the year. Most of those photos appear to have
been taken in the northern summertime, apparently around noon if one
judges from the shadows ... Others of my parents ice skating were
likely in January ... Very few appear to have been taken at midnight.

This is the Date/Time Original tag. Date/Time Digitized is when they
were scanned.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Martin Burnicki
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> Alan Pater wrote:
>> Not sure about the timeline function, but I would hope that it follows
>> Metadata Working Group guidelines:
>>
>>     http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/pdf/mwg_guidance.pdf#page=37
>
> Thanks for the pointer. This is a very interesting document.
>
> I'm currently also struggling with date/times added manually to scanned
> images.
>
> Of course I can add some information on the "Digitized Date/Time", but
> the problem is that each time stamp *must* be a complete date and time.
> So if I only know the year and month but not the day of month when the
> scanned photo I'm scanning was originally taken 20 years ago I always
> have to use a fake date, e.g. using "01" for the day of month, and
> "00:00:00" for the time even if this is not correct.
>
> It would be better to be able to specify dates like "1935-07" if the day
> and time are not known, or just a year number, but it looks like the
> metatags don't support this.
>
> Martin
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[Peter Mc Donough]

Am 22.09.2015 um 19:21 schrieb Luca Ferrari:

> Hi all,
> I ask here for a suggestion: I tend to apply to my pictures also a
> "year" ag, so that at least I know which yer photos have been taken.
> Why not using the timeline? Well, being the son of a professional
> photographer I have a quite large archive, that is composed of digital
> and re-digitalized (scanned) images. The latter do not have a good
> timeline, of course, so I choose this strategy to apply the year tag,
> and therefore to keep the collection coherent I applied also to
> digital images.
> But now that the images are almost always digitally-native, it is
> becoming a little annoying.
> Do you have a better strategy to face the problem? Or a way to
> auto-apply a yeartag based on the timeline?

Some time ago, I decided to rename each photo to
yyyymmdd_hhmmssNN_additional_information.xyz

For digital photos I take the information form the metadata. With
scanned photos I choose them based on what I know about the photos.

That way each photo has a unique name unless one works with two cameras
at exactly the same time and I have a "natural" sorting order in my
folders. Metadata can be added later if necessary.

cu
Peter




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[Luca Ferrari]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Gian Paolo Sanino Vattier
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Instead, my recommendation is just to use the dedicated tool "Adjust Time
> and Date", under the menu "Image". It provides a lot of options to correct
> this info (even correcting the original/created exif data). And you can
> select previously all the files that share the same date and thus, correct
> them in one step. Then the timeline will work for all your files as well as
> your filters etc. You can filter using the tag "year" you added previously
> and then select all the results to get their date corrected in one step.
> Then you can select them again to remove their unnecessary "year" tag. And
> repeat for each year.
>

Interesting and quite simple to apply.
I will go for this solution (before removing the "year" tag
definetively) and let you know if I get some problems.

Thanks you all for the suggestions.

Luca
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[Luca Ferrari]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Luca Ferrari <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Interesting and quite simple to apply.
> I will go for this solution (before removing the "year" tag
> definetively) and let you know if I get some problems.
>

So far I've migrated around 20 GB of images adjusting the timeline,
and it seems a very nice solution. The only pro I still see in using
tags is that I can define a time range, for those pictures I'm not
sure the period (e.g., 1978-1980), while in the timeline this is not
possible.

Any suggestion?

Luca
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[Henrique Santos Fernandes]

You can use the search tool and select a time range of your choice!

I guess it does the job.

Em ter, 29 de set de 2015 às 09:11, Luca Ferrari <[hidden email]> escreveu:

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Luca Ferrari <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Interesting and quite simple to apply.
> I will go for this solution (before removing the "year" tag
> definetively) and let you know if I get some problems.
>

So far I've migrated around 20 GB of images adjusting the timeline,
and it seems a very nice solution. The only pro I still see in using
tags is that I can define a time range, for those pictures I'm not
sure the period (e.g., 1978-1980), while in the timeline this is not
possible.

Any suggestion?

Luca
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