icc profiles

[wayne tedder]

hello,

My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she fell in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she does rely on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE) she has decided to go with it.

Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out ICC profiles for our current setup. 

She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if they have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out our setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is making are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you that my test prints are very, very dark.

Wayne

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On Tuesday 17 June 2008 09:37:36 wayne tedder wrote:

> hello,
>
> My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made
> the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she fell
> in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she does rely
> on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE) she has decided
> to go with it.
>
> Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out ICC
> profiles for our current setup.
>
> She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are
> using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if they
> have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out our
> setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is making
> are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you that my
> test prints are very, very dark.
>
> Wayne

If test prints are very dark try to use less ink (see printer settings) and/or

use good photo paper)


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[Sveinn í Felli]

Hi,

Take a look at the nice tutorial by Elle Stone at;
http://www.nabble.com/Tutorial%3A-Color-Management,-Camera-Profiles,---Working-Spaces-to17587858.html#a17587858

and for the (proprietary) quirks manufacturers use to get
nice looking jpeg's from RAW;
http://www.nabble.com/16bit-editiing-and-auto-whitebalance-tp16701397p17135280.html

Printing tweaks is another (different) story.

These tutorials are in the works, and will hopefully find
their way into Digikam documentation.

Good luck

Sveinn í Felli

wayne tedder wrote:

> hello,
>
> My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made
> the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she
> fell in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she
> does rely on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE)
> she has decided to go with it.
>
> Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out
> ICC profiles for our current setup.
>
> She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are
> using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if
> they have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out
> our setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is
> making are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you
> that my test prints are very, very dark.
>
> Wayne
>
>
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[Sveinn í Felli]

Ooops;

Forgot the link on a similar subject in this mailing list,
some time ago. Might be useful too.

http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=8083779&framed=y

Also the Scribus DTP (http://www.scribus.net/) forums
contain many bits and pieces about color management.

Cheers

Sveinn í Felli

wayne tedder wrote:

> hello,
>
> My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made
> the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she
> fell in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she
> does rely on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE)
> she has decided to go with it.
>
> Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out
> ICC profiles for our current setup.
>
> She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are
> using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if
> they have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out
> our setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is
> making are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you
> that my test prints are very, very dark.
>
> Wayne
>
>
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>
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[wayne tedder]

Hey,

Thank you everyone for your input I am overwhelmed by the helpfulness on this mailing list! :)

After reading up a bit and trying some things out, me and my GF have decided to go all the way and purchase, a wide gamut monitor and professional photo 11x14  printer.  I am however worried about printer drivers with these high end printers and I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience/luck with any particular printer under Linux.

Wayne

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:47 AM, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ooops;

Forgot the link on a similar subject in this mailing list,
some time ago. Might be useful too.

http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=8083779&framed=y

Also the Scribus DTP (http://www.scribus.net/) forums
contain many bits and pieces about color management.

Cheers

Sveinn í Felli

wayne tedder wrote:
> hello,
>
> My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made
> the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she
> fell in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she
> does rely on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE)
> she has decided to go with it.
>
> Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out
> ICC profiles for our current setup.
>
> She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are
> using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if
> they have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out
> our setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is
> making are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you
> that my test prints are very, very dark.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

On Thursday 19 June 2008 wayne tedder wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Thank you everyone for your input I am overwhelmed by the helpfulness on
> this mailing list! :)
>
> After reading up a bit and trying some things out, me and my GF have decided
> to go all the way and purchase, a wide gamut monitor and professional photo
> 11x14  printer.  I am however worried about printer drivers with these high
> end printers and I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience/luck with
> any particular printer under Linux.
>
> Wayne

I use a Epson Stylus Photo 2100 for a couple of years now, the driver support is excellent under Linux. Some limited calibration is available, but no real profiling. That said, I never felt the need for profiling, the color quality was always excellent.

Gerhard

>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 2:47 AM, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ooops;
> >
> > Forgot the link on a similar subject in this mailing list,
> > some time ago. Might be useful too.
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/forum/ViewPost.jtp?post=8083779&framed=y
> >
> > Also the Scribus DTP (http://www.scribus.net/) forums
> > contain many bits and pieces about color management.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Sveinn í Felli
> >
> > wayne tedder wrote:
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > My girlfriend is a semi professional photographer that has recently made
> > > the switch to digital.  After fumbling around with Adobe Lightroom she
> > > fell in love with the ease and transparency of Digikam, and since she
> > > does rely on me very much for technical support (and I use linux/KDE)
> > > she has decided to go with it.
> > >
> > > Anyway I have a dilema. (web info is very sparse)  I need to figure out
> > > ICC profiles for our current setup.
> > >
> > > She is using a Nikon D80 , I have several different monitors, and we are
> > > using an Epson c88 printer at home.  I haven't asked the print shop if
> > > they have an ICC profile to give us yet, but I would like to figure out
> > > our setup so that I can get assure her that the color corrections she is
> > > making are actually the colors that will be printed, and I can tell you
> > > that my test prints are very, very dark.
> > >
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
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> >
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[Sveinn í Felli]

Hi,

wayne tedder wrote:
>
> After reading up a bit and trying some things out, me and my GF have
> decided to go all the way and purchase, a wide gamut monitor and
> professional photo 11x14  printer.  I am however worried about printer
> drivers with these high end printers and I'm wondering if anyone has had
> any experience/luck with any particular printer under Linux.

Just wondering what you'd call a professional printer. Would
an inkjet qualify for that category ?

I've got an Epson Stylus Photo R360 which gives excellent
results, has 6 separate ink compartments and various input
connections (eg. straight from camera/card, USB or IR) and
has a nice screen for most maintainance tasks; in that
regard you can call it "standalone" since it doesn't rely on
external drivers for those.
Linux support is impeccable except for CD-printing from a
computer (a work in progress) but you can always bypass that
by creating your CD-label, get it on a USB-drive and use the
frontal USB port on the printer. < ad closing :-) >

If you're not getting desired results with a specific
linux/cusp printerdriver, you may want to try the TurboPrint
drivers. I've tested them on a couple of printers with very
good results. But, these are commercial (~25$) and not
opensource.

But for all serious work I go to a local photo/printshop.
Their machines take sRGB.icc profile for granted,
unfortunately there's a slight difference in output between
individual machines there. So it's not only us poor home
enthusiasts which are having problems with .ICC profiles.

Sveinn í Felli

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[wayne tedder]

<quote> unfortunately there's a slight difference in output between
individual machines there. So it's not only us poor home
enthusiasts which are having problems with .ICC profiles </quote>

That's exactly the issue that was brought up by a couple of professional photographers that I spoke to.  I was told that the only proper way to do it was to set up your own photo lab at home.  Basically you are paying them to do final color correction when you pass it off to a lab, so it is really up to the person who is working on it to get it right when it is printed.

I'm specifically looking at this printer, which I have yet to find any cups/linux information on.
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828102009

It prints 11"x14" (279.4mm x  355.6mm) on  13"x19" paper with 8 colors.  The reviews are really good, and I can't find anything similar for under $14,000 US.

Anyways, I just thought I'd ask..

Wayne

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

wayne tedder wrote:
>
> After reading up a bit and trying some things out, me and my GF have
> decided to go all the way and purchase, a wide gamut monitor and
> professional photo 11x14  printer.  I am however worried about printer
> drivers with these high end printers and I'm wondering if anyone has had
> any experience/luck with any particular printer under Linux.

Just wondering what you'd call a professional printer. Would
an inkjet qualify for that category ?

I've got an Epson Stylus Photo R360 which gives excellent
results, has 6 separate ink compartments and various input
connections (eg. straight from camera/card, USB or IR) and
has a nice screen for most maintainance tasks; in that
regard you can call it "standalone" since it doesn't rely on
external drivers for those.
Linux support is impeccable except for CD-printing from a
computer (a work in progress) but you can always bypass that
by creating your CD-label, get it on a USB-drive and use the
frontal USB port on the printer. < ad closing :-) >

If you're not getting desired results with a specific
linux/cusp printerdriver, you may want to try the TurboPrint
drivers. I've tested them on a couple of printers with very
good results. But, these are commercial (~25$) and not
opensource.

But for all serious work I go to a local photo/printshop.
Their machines take sRGB.icc profile for granted,
unfortunately there's a slight difference in output between
individual machines there. So it's not only us poor home
enthusiasts which are having problems with .ICC profiles.

Sveinn í Felli

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[wayne tedder]

Oops, I meant this one
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=180&modelid=15275
and it's a twelve color printer.

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:47 PM, wayne tedder <[hidden email]> wrote:

<quote> unfortunately there's a slight difference in output between

individual machines there. So it's not only us poor home

enthusiasts which are having problems with .ICC profiles </quote>

That's exactly the issue that was brought up by a couple of professional photographers that I spoke to.  I was told that the only proper way to do it was to set up your own photo lab at home.  Basically you are paying them to do final color correction when you pass it off to a lab, so it is really up to the person who is working on it to get it right when it is printed.

I'm specifically looking at this printer, which I have yet to find any cups/linux information on.
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828102009

It prints 11"x14" (279.4mm x  355.6mm) on  13"x19" paper with 8 colors.  The reviews are really good, and I can't find anything similar for under $14,000 US.

Anyways, I just thought I'd ask..

Wayne

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04 AM, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

wayne tedder wrote:
>
> After reading up a bit and trying some things out, me and my GF have
> decided to go all the way and purchase, a wide gamut monitor and
> professional photo 11x14  printer.  I am however worried about printer
> drivers with these high end printers and I'm wondering if anyone has had
> any experience/luck with any particular printer under Linux.

Just wondering what you'd call a professional printer. Would
an inkjet qualify for that category ?

I've got an Epson Stylus Photo R360 which gives excellent
results, has 6 separate ink compartments and various input
connections (eg. straight from camera/card, USB or IR) and
has a nice screen for most maintainance tasks; in that
regard you can call it "standalone" since it doesn't rely on
external drivers for those.
Linux support is impeccable except for CD-printing from a
computer (a work in progress) but you can always bypass that
by creating your CD-label, get it on a USB-drive and use the
frontal USB port on the printer. < ad closing :-) >

If you're not getting desired results with a specific
linux/cusp printerdriver, you may want to try the TurboPrint
drivers. I've tested them on a couple of printers with very
good results. But, these are commercial (~25$) and not
opensource.

But for all serious work I go to a local photo/printshop.
Their machines take sRGB.icc profile for granted,
unfortunately there's a slight difference in output between
individual machines there. So it's not only us poor home
enthusiasts which are having problems with .ICC profiles.

Sveinn í Felli

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