digikam's "Settings, Configure, Identity" IPTC fields

[Elle Stone-3]

Under digikam's "Settings, Configure, Identity" is found "Photographer Information": Author, Author Title; "Credit and Copyright": Credit, Source, Copyright.  I checked around the internet to see what these various fields are supposed to mean, be, do . . . and thought I would share.  Please correct my mistakes, as I don't want to lead anyone astray.  And if this is the wrong place to share such garnered information, please tell me and I apologize in advance!

1. The "Copyright" field"
1a. An example of how to fill in the "Copyright" field is found here: http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/imagedatabases/iptc_naa.html
© Juanita Doe/Parador Times, all rights reserved

1b. That pesky little copyright symbol.  I can't find any way to get the copyright symbol into digikam's "Configure -digikam, Identity: Default IPTC identity information", Credit and Copyright, Copyright" field.  According to here: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/symbol/ substitutes for the symbol, like (c), or abbreviations, are not "legal" substitutes.  But you don't need the symbol, as the word "copyright" serves just as well.

1c. "All rights reserved".  According to here: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/allrightsreserved/ this phrase has not much legal meaning.  However, everyone else, including the "IPTC Core Schema for XMP" (see www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf) tells you to  include the phrase "all rights reserved" if you intend to protect your copyright.  

1d. Why bother with the "Copyright" field at all?  The short answer is it seems to be the way to avoid having one's work "orphaned."  See http://imagemetadata.com/ for helpful links about the controversy.  (One also needs to include contact information as part of the image metadata, to avoid the "orphan" problem.)  And the copyright field also seems to be the appropriate place to release a photograph to the creative commons, with a specification of the "rights granted", as the copyright laws presume rights are reserved unless specifically granted.  Or so it seems to me.  I am not a lawyer.  

2. "Author", "Credit", and "Source" sound an awful lot alike, but they are conceptually different, though in fact often the same person/entity.  Information and quotes in 2a, 2b, 2c below are from:  http://www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf.

2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility" thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.  

2b."Credit" is the same as "Provider".  "Use the Provider field to identify who is providing the photograph. This doesn’t have to necessarily be the owner/ creator. If a photographer is working for a news agency such as Reuters or the Associated Press, these organizations could be listed here as they are “providing” the image for use by others. If the image is a stock photograph, then the group (agency) involved in supplying the image should be listed here. Note: This field is “shared” with the “Credit” field in the Origin panel of the Adobe Photoshop File Info field."

2c."Source".  "The Source field should be used to identify the original owner or copyright holder of the photograph. The value of this field should never be changed after the information is entered following the image's creation. While not yet enforced by the custom panels, you should consider this to be a “write-once” field. The source could be an individual, an agency, or a member of an agency. . . . Source may also be different
from Creator and from the names listed in the Copyright Notice. Note: This field is “shared” with the “Source” field in the Origin panel of the Adobe Photoshop File Info field."

[Martin Laberge]

On January 21, 2008 12:52:19 elle stone wrote:

>
> Under digikam's "Settings, Configure, Identity" is found "Photographer
> Information": Author, Author Title; "Credit and Copyright": Credit, Source,
> Copyright.  I checked around the internet to see what these various fields
> are supposed to mean, be, do . . . and thought I would share.  Please
> correct my mistakes, as I don't want to lead anyone astray.  And if this is
> the wrong place to share such garnered information, please tell me and I
> apologize in advance!
>
> 1. The "Copyright" field"
> 1a. An example of how to fill in the "Copyright" field is found here:
> http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/imagedatabases/iptc_naa.html
> © Juanita Doe/Parador Times, all rights reserved
>
> 1b. That pesky little copyright symbol.  I can't find any way to get the
> copyright symbol into digikam's "Configure -digikam, Identity: Default IPTC
> identity information", Credit and Copyright, Copyright" field.  According to
> here: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/symbol/ substitutes for the symbol,
> like (c), or abbreviations, are not "legal" substitutes.  But you don't need
> the symbol, as the word "copyright" serves just as well.
>
> 1c. "All rights reserved".  According to here:
> http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/allrightsreserved/ this phrase has not
> much legal meaning.  However, everyone else, including the "IPTC Core Schema
> for XMP" (see
> www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf)
> tells you to  include the phrase "all rights reserved" if you intend to
> protect your copyright.  
>
> 1d. Why bother with the "Copyright" field at all?  The short answer is it
> seems to be the way to avoid having one's work "orphaned."  See
> http://imagemetadata.com/ for helpful links about the controversy.  (One
> also needs to include contact information as part of the image metadata, to
> avoid the "orphan" problem.)  And the copyright field also seems to be the
> appropriate place to release a photograph to the creative commons, with a
> specification of the "rights granted", as the copyright laws presume rights
> are reserved unless specifically granted.  Or so it seems to me.  I am not a
> lawyer.  
>
> 2. "Author", "Credit", and "Source" sound an awful lot alike, but they are
> conceptually different, though in fact often the same person/entity.
> Information and quotes in 2a, 2b, 2c below are from:
> http://www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf.
>
> 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is entered
> into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing (Adobe-led)
> XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job Title" are shared
> (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility" thing as XMP evolves
> to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work for an organization,
> your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself or take pictures as a
> passion rather than as a profession, I suppose "Photographer" or "Starving
> Artist" might go here.  
>
> 2b."Credit" is the same as "Provider".  "Use the Provider field to identify
> who is providing the photograph. This doesn’t have to necessarily be the
> owner/ creator. If a photographer is working for a news agency such as
> Reuters or the Associated Press, these organizations could be listed here as
> they are “providing” the image for use by others. If the image is a stock
> photograph, then the group (agency) involved in supplying the image should
> be listed here. Note: This field is “shared” with the “Credit” field in the
> Origin panel of the Adobe Photoshop File Info field."
>
> 2c."Source".  "The Source field should be used to identify the original
> owner or copyright holder of the photograph. The value of this field should
> never be changed after the information is entered following the image's
> creation. While not yet enforced by the custom panels, you should consider
> this to be a “write-once” field. The source could be an individual, an
> agency, or a member of an agency. . . . Source may also be different
> from Creator and from the names listed in the Copyright Notice. Note: This
> field is “shared” with the “Source” field in the Origin panel of the Adobe
> Photoshop File Info field."
>

Thanks for the information, this is very well phrased,
and it helps me very much in the understanding of these fields.

I am sure many others too.

I would suggest that this whole explanation be included somewhere
in the digikam documentation, if it were possible.

Using this as a reference, we could have some yellow-popups
over these fields to describe them.

What do you think, Gilles ??


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[Elle Stone-3]

<quote author="Martin Laberge">

Thanks for the information, this is very well phrased,
and it helps me very much in the understanding of these fields.

Martin, thanks! for the compliment - elle

[Gilles Caulier-4]

2008/1/21, Martin Laberge <[hidden email]>:

On January 21, 2008 12:52:19 elle stone wrote:

>
> Under digikam's "Settings, Configure, Identity" is found "Photographer
> Information": Author, Author Title; "Credit and Copyright": Credit, Source,
> Copyright.  I checked around the internet to see what these various fields
> are supposed to mean, be, do . . . and thought I would share.  Please
> correct my mistakes, as I don't want to lead anyone astray.  And if this is
> the wrong place to share such garnered information, please tell me and I
> apologize in advance!
>
> 1. The "Copyright" field"
> 1a. An example of how to fill in the "Copyright" field is found here:
> http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/imagedatabases/iptc_naa.html
> © Juanita Doe/Parador Times, all rights reserved
>

> 1b. That pesky little copyright symbol.  I can't find any way to get the

> copyright symbol into digikam's "Configure -digikam, Identity: Default IPTC
> identity information", Credit and Copyright, Copyright" field.  According to
> here: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/symbol/ substitutes for the symbol,
> like (c), or abbreviations, are not "legal" substitutes.  But you don't need
> the symbol, as the word "copyright" serves just as well.
>
> 1c. "All rights reserved".  According to here:
> http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/allrightsreserved/ this phrase has not
> much legal meaning.  However, everyone else, including the "IPTC Core Schema
> for XMP" (see
> www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf)
> tells you to  include the phrase "all rights reserved" if you intend to
> protect your copyright.

>

> 1d. Why bother with the "Copyright" field at all?  The short answer is it
> seems to be the way to avoid having one's work "orphaned."  See
> http://imagemetadata.com/ for helpful links about the controversy.  (One
> also needs to include contact information as part of the image metadata, to
> avoid the "orphan" problem.)  And the copyright field also seems to be the
> appropriate place to release a photograph to the creative commons, with a
> specification of the "rights granted", as the copyright laws presume rights
> are reserved unless specifically granted.  Or so it seems to me.  I am not a
> lawyer.
>
> 2. "Author", "Credit", and "Source" sound an awful lot alike, but they are
> conceptually different, though in fact often the same person/entity.
> Information and quotes in 2a, 2b, 2c below are from:
> http://www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf .
>
> 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is entered
> into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing (Adobe-led)
> XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job Title" are shared
> (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility" thing as XMP evolves
> to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work for an organization,
> your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself or take pictures as a
> passion rather than as a profession, I suppose "Photographer" or "Starving
> Artist" might go here.
>
> 2b."Credit" is the same as "Provider".  "Use the Provider field to identify
> who is providing the photograph. This doesn't have to necessarily be the
> owner/ creator. If a photographer is working for a news agency such as
> Reuters or the Associated Press, these organizations could be listed here as
> they are "providing" the image for use by others. If the image is a stock
> photograph, then the group (agency) involved in supplying the image should
> be listed here. Note: This field is "shared" with the "Credit" field in the
> Origin panel of the Adobe Photoshop File Info field."
>
> 2c."Source".  "The Source field should be used to identify the original
> owner or copyright holder of the photograph. The value of this field should
> never be changed after the information is entered following the image's
> creation. While not yet enforced by the custom panels, you should consider
> this to be a "write-once" field. The source could be an individual, an
> agency, or a member of an agency. . . . Source may also be different
> from Creator and from the names listed in the Copyright Notice. Note: This
> field is "shared" with the "Source" field in the Origin panel of the Adobe
> Photoshop File Info field."
>

Thanks for the information, this is very well phrased,
and it helps me very much in the understanding of these fields.

I am sure many others too.

I would suggest that this whole explanation be included somewhere
in the digikam documentation, if it were possible.

Using this as a reference, we could have some yellow-popups
over these fields to describe them.

What do you think, Gilles ??

Totally agree with you. Pop-up help is a fine way to guide user.

It's a non developper task. A patch is easy to do. If you is interested, code to fix is here :

http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/graphics/digikam/utilities/setup/setupidentity.cpp?revision=720668&view=markup

...look all QWhatsThis::add(...) call in constructor...

Best

Gilles
 

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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

Am Monday 21 January 2008 schrieb elle stone:

> Under digikam's "Settings, Configure, Identity" is found "Photographer
> Information": Author, Author Title; "Credit and Copyright": Credit, Source,
> Copyright.  I checked around the internet to see what these various fields
> are supposed to mean, be, do . . . and thought I would share.  Please
> correct my mistakes, as I don't want to lead anyone astray.  And if this is
> the wrong place to share such garnered information, please tell me and I
> apologize in advance!
>
> 1. The "Copyright" field"
> 1a. An example of how to fill in the "Copyright" field is found here:
> http://www.controlledvocabulary.com/imagedatabases/iptc_naa.html
> © Juanita Doe/Parador Times, all rights reserved
>
> 1b. That pesky little copyright symbol.  I can't find any way to get the
> copyright symbol into digikam's "Configure -digikam, Identity: Default IPTC
> identity information", Credit and Copyright, Copyright" field.  According
> to here: http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/symbol/ substitutes for the
> symbol, like (c), or abbreviations, are not "legal" substitutes.  But you
> don't need the symbol, as the word "copyright" serves just as well.
>
> 1c. "All rights reserved".  According to here:
> http://www.iusmentis.com/copyright/allrightsreserved/ this phrase has not
> much legal meaning.  However, everyone else, including the "IPTC Core
> Schema for XMP" (see
> www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc-Cpanel
>sUserGuide_13.pdf) tells you to  include the phrase "all rights reserved" if
> you intend to protect your copyright.
>
> 1d. Why bother with the "Copyright" field at all?  The short answer is it
> seems to be the way to avoid having one's work "orphaned."  See
> http://imagemetadata.com/ for helpful links about the controversy.  (One
> also needs to include contact information as part of the image metadata, to
> avoid the "orphan" problem.)  And the copyright field also seems to be the
> appropriate place to release a photograph to the creative commons, with a
> specification of the "rights granted", as the copyright laws presume rights
> are reserved unless specifically granted.  Or so it seems to me.  I am not
> a lawyer.
>
> 2. "Author", "Credit", and "Source" sound an awful lot alike, but they are
> conceptually different, though in fact often the same person/entity.
> Information and quotes in 2a, 2b, 2c below are from:
> http://www.iptc.org/std/Iptc4xmpCore/1.0/documentation/Iptc4xmpCore_1.0-doc
>-CpanelsUserGuide_13.pdf.
>
> 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is entered
> into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing (Adobe-led)
> XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job Title" are
> shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility" thing as XMP
> evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work for an
> organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself or take
> pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose "Photographer"
> or "Starving Artist" might go here.
>
> 2b."Credit" is the same as "Provider".  "Use the Provider field to identify
> who is providing the photograph. This doesn’t have to necessarily be the
> owner/ creator. If a photographer is working for a news agency such as
> Reuters or the Associated Press, these organizations could be listed here
> as they are “providing” the image for use by others. If the image is a
> stock photograph, then the group (agency) involved in supplying the image
> should be listed here. Note: This field is “shared” with the “Credit” field
> in the Origin panel of the Adobe Photoshop File Info field."
>
> 2c."Source".  "The Source field should be used to identify the original
> owner or copyright holder of the photograph. The value of this field should
> never be changed after the information is entered following the image's
> creation. While not yet enforced by the custom panels, you should consider
> this to be a “write-once” field. The source could be an individual, an
> agency, or a member of an agency. . . . Source may also be different
> from Creator and from the names listed in the Copyright Notice. Note: This
> field is “shared” with the “Source” field in the Origin panel of the Adobe
> Photoshop File Info field."

Thank's very much elle, I updated the documentation. The pop-up helps will
follow :-)

Gerhard

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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

Am Tuesday 22 January 2008 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> It's a non developper task. A patch is easy to do. If you is interested,
> code to fix is here :
>
>
> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/graphics/digikam/utilities/se
>tup/setupidentity.cpp?revision=720668&view=markup
>
> ...look all QWhatsThis::add(...) call in constructor...

commited to svn

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

2008/1/22, Gerhard Kulzer <[hidden email]>:

Am Tuesday 22 January 2008 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> It's a non developper task. A patch is easy to do. If you is interested,
> code to fix is here :
>
>
> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/graphics/digikam/utilities/se
>tup/setupidentity.cpp?revision=720668&view=markup
>
> ...look all QWhatsThis::add(...) call in constructor...

commited to svn

You will sync KDE4 implementation too ?

Best

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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

Am Tuesday 22 January 2008 schrieb Gilles Caulier:

> 2008/1/22, Gerhard Kulzer <[hidden email]>:
> > Am Tuesday 22 January 2008 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> > > It's a non developper task. A patch is easy to do. If you is
> > > interested, code to fix is here :
> >
> > http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/graphics/digikam/utilities/
> >se
> >
> > >tup/setupidentity.cpp?revision=720668&view=markup
> > >
> > > ...look all QWhatsThis::add(...) call in constructor...
> >
> > commited to svn
>
> You will sync KDE4 implementation too ?
>
> Best
>
> Gilles

I'm working on it :-)

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elle stone wrote

2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility" thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.  

In Digikam under the right sidebar "Metadata - IPTC" the terminology is "By-line" and "By-line Title", which is another "shared field" right along with "Creator" and "Author".  In Digikam, under "Settings, Configure digikam, Identity, Photographer Information" the terminology is "Author" and "Author Title".  What you enter under "Author" shows up under "By-line", which could be confusing, I suppose.  

Exiftool, which seems to be "the" way to access metadata if you find your metatdata "wants and needs" exceed your gui, uses "By-line" and "By-line Title" to access these two fields.  "By-line" seems to be the older terminology, harking back to the days of newspaper photos being sent over the wires.

[Arnd Baecker]

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, elle stone wrote:

> elle stone wrote:
>
> > 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is
> > entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing
> > (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job
> > Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility"
> > thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work
> > for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself
> > or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose
> > "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.
>
> In Digikam under the right sidebar "Metadata - IPTC" the terminology is
> "By-line" and "By-line Title", which is another "shared field" right along
> with "Creator" and "Author".  In Digikam, under "Settings, Configure
> digikam, Identity, Photographer Information" the terminology is "Author" and
> "Author Title".  What you enter under "Author" shows up under "By-line",
> which could be confusing, I suppose.
>
> Exiftool, which seems to be "the" way to access metadata if you find your
> metatdata "wants and needs" exceed your gui, uses "By-line" and "By-line
> Title" to access these two fields.  "By-line" seems to be the older
> terminology, harking back to the days of newspaper photos being sent over
> the wires.

Elle, what should be done with this text?
Do you suggest to add it to the documentation?

Best, Arnd
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[Elle Stone-3]

Arnd Baecker wrote

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, elle stone wrote:

> elle stone wrote:
>
> > 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is
> > entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing
> > (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job
> > Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility"
> > thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work
> > for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself
> > or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose
> > "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.
>
> In Digikam under the right sidebar "Metadata - IPTC" the terminology is
> "By-line" and "By-line Title", which is another "shared field" right along
> with "Creator" and "Author".  In Digikam, under "Settings, Configure
> digikam, Identity, Photographer Information" the terminology is "Author" and
> "Author Title".  What you enter under "Author" shows up under "By-line",
> which could be confusing, I suppose.
>
> Exiftool, which seems to be "the" way to access metadata if you find your
> metatdata "wants and needs" exceed your gui, uses "By-line" and "By-line
> Title" to access these two fields.  "By-line" seems to be the older
> terminology, harking back to the days of newspaper photos being sent over
> the wires.

Elle, what should be done with this text?
Do you suggest to add it to the documentation?

Best, Arnd
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Arnd - still being a newbie here, I don't know where "documentation" is or how to access it to change it.  I do think that terminological consistency within digikam is less confusing to the end-user.  I also think that an explanation as to why there are so many terms that sound like and sometimes are the same thing is also a good thing.  I also ran across the "terms of usage" for using official IPTC publications (from which I was quoting) - and I'm not sure how these terms of usage affect what is put into digikam documentation (the "terms" say something like "freely use and make sure a copy of the terms of usage is included", but how these "terms" affect quotes which would probably fall under the rubric of "fair usage" is something I'm not sure about - certainly I never included whole pages of "terms" when footnoting research papers in college) .  

So I am delighted to rewrite anything that should be rewritten, and submit it to the proper parties, but guidance/direction as to process/procedure would be needed.  One of my old bosses once said to me - don't bring up a problem without offering a solution - or in this case, additional information without including it as needed - but as I said, the "how", the process, is something I don't know how to do.  If someone sent me text, I would send it back modified.  If that is how it is done.

Elle

[Arnd Baecker]

Hi Elle,

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, elle stone wrote:

> Arnd Baecker wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, elle stone wrote:
> >
> >> elle stone wrote:
> >>
> >> > 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is
> >> > entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing
> >> > (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job
> >> > Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards
> >> compatibility"
> >> > thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you
> >> work
> >> > for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for
> >> yourself
> >> > or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose
> >> > "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.
> >>
> >> In Digikam under the right sidebar "Metadata - IPTC" the terminology is
> >> "By-line" and "By-line Title", which is another "shared field" right
> >> along
> >> with "Creator" and "Author".  In Digikam, under "Settings, Configure
> >> digikam, Identity, Photographer Information" the terminology is "Author"
> >> and
> >> "Author Title".  What you enter under "Author" shows up under "By-line",
> >> which could be confusing, I suppose.
> >>
> >> Exiftool, which seems to be "the" way to access metadata if you find your
> >> metatdata "wants and needs" exceed your gui, uses "By-line" and "By-line
> >> Title" to access these two fields.  "By-line" seems to be the older
> >> terminology, harking back to the days of newspaper photos being sent over
> >> the wires.

Actually, what about exiv2 in this context?

> > Elle, what should be done with this text?
> > Do you suggest to add it to the documentation?

> Arnd - still being a newbie here, I don't know where "documentation" is or
> how to access it to change it.

Well, that's no problem - suggestions for documentation
are always welcome, and (as seen with your previous one)
Gerhard is blazingly fast at adding them.
So this mailing list (or digikam-devel) is perfectly suited for this
(Of course, if you contribute more, svn write access could/should
be arranged for you...).

> I do think that terminological consistency
> within digikam is less confusing to the end-user.  I also think that an
> explanation as to why there are so many terms that sound like and sometimes
> are the same thing is also a good thing.  I also ran across the "terms of
> usage" for using official IPTC publications (from which I was quoting) - and
> I'm not sure how these terms of usage affect what is put into digikam
> documentation (the "terms" say something like "freely use and make sure a
> copy of the terms of usage is included", but how these "terms" affect quotes
> which would probably fall under the rubric of "fair usage" is something I'm
> not sure about - certainly I never included whole pages of "terms" when
> footnoting research papers in college) .
>
> So I am delighted to rewrite anything that should be rewritten, and submit
> it to the proper parties, but guidance/direction as to process/procedure
> would be needed.

See above. I think you did everything perfectly ...

> One of my old bosses once said to me - don't bring up a
> problem without offering a solution

... only that for your suggestion, it was not clear
to me which "problem" it should address ;-).
I.e. should this text be added, and if yes to
which section in the  documentation etc.?

> - or in this case, additional
> information without including it as needed - but as I said, the "how", the
> process, is something I don't know how to do.  If someone sent me text, I
> would send it back modified.  If that is how it is done.

I will leave it to Gerhard, if the "procedure" should
be different from just mailing suggestions here - he is the
digikam documentation guru...

Best, Arnd
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[Marcel Wiesweg]

Am Freitag 25 Januar 2008 schrieb elle stone:

> elle stone wrote:
> > 2a. "Creator" and "Author" are "shared fields", meaning whatever is
> > entered into the one appears in the other, in the upcoming/developing
> > (Adobe-led) XMP standards.  Likewise "Author Title" and "Creator's Job
> > Title" are shared (these "shared fields" are a "backwards compatibility"
> > thing as XMP evolves to include more than IPTC and EXIF).  So if you work
> > for an organization, your job title goes here.  If you work for yourself
> > or take pictures as a passion rather than as a profession, I suppose
> > "Photographer" or "Starving Artist" might go here.
>
> In Digikam under the right sidebar "Metadata - IPTC" the terminology is
> "By-line" and "By-line Title", which is another "shared field" right along
> with "Creator" and "Author".  In Digikam, under "Settings, Configure
> digikam, Identity, Photographer Information" the terminology is "Author"
> and "Author Title".  What you enter under "Author" shows up under
> "By-line", which could be confusing, I suppose.

According to the IPTC4XMP specification, "By-line" in IIM / IPTC, "Author" in
Photoshop and "dc:creator" in XMP will be synced to the same value (and
stored as dc:creator in XMP).
"By-line title" is then "photoshop:AuthorsPosition" in XMP.

>
> Exiftool, which seems to be "the" way to access metadata if you find your
> metatdata "wants and needs" exceed your gui, uses "By-line" and "By-line
> Title" to access these two fields.  "By-line" seems to be the older
> terminology, harking back to the days of newspaper photos being sent over
> the wires.


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