best practice person tag hierarchy

[Stephan Olbrich]

I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to each
other.
A flat hierarchy does not work, because of persons with the same name. Grouping
into families gets difficult when they start having their own family etc.

How do you organize person tags?

Regards,
Stephan
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[Alan Pater]

Have you tried the face management feature in digikam? You tag each
face in some photos and the computer takes care of hierarchy for you.
It also applies the same tags to other photos of the same person or
persons. Once you get it started, the computer does all the hard work
for you.


On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Olbrich <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
> Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
> persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
> family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to each
> other.
> A flat hierarchy does not work, because of persons with the same name. Grouping
> into families gets difficult when they start having their own family etc.
>
> How do you organize person tags?
>
> Regards,
> Stephan
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[Stephan Olbrich]

Thats what I'm using, but in the end it's still just tags that are assigned
(plus which face it is). And by default this only uses a flat hierarachy, so I
end up with a long list of names. Appart from that this is not usable for >100
persons, it also fails for people with the same name (firstname and lastname).

Am Sonntag, 22. März 2015, 10:12:53 schrieb Alan Pater:
> Have you tried the face management feature in digikam? You tag each
> face in some photos and the computer takes care of hierarchy for you.
> It also applies the same tags to other photos of the same person or
> persons. Once you get it started, the computer does all the hard work
> for you.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Olbrich <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> > I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
> > Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
> > persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
> > family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to
> > each other.
> > A flat hierarchy does not work, because of persons with the same name.
> > Grouping into families gets difficult when they start having their own
> > family etc.
> >
> > How do you organize person tags?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stephan
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[Stephan Olbrich-2]

Thats what I'm using, but in the end it's still just tags that are assigned
(plus which face it is). And by default this only uses a flat hierarachy, so I
end up with a long list of names. Appart from that this is not usable for >100
persons, it also fails for people with the same name (firstname and lastname).

Am Sonntag, 22. März 2015, 10:12:53 schrieb Alan Pater:
> Have you tried the face management feature in digikam? You tag each
> face in some photos and the computer takes care of hierarchy for you.
> It also applies the same tags to other photos of the same person or
> persons. Once you get it started, the computer does all the hard work
> for you.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Olbrich <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> > I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
> > Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
> > persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
> > family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to
> > each other.
> > A flat hierarchy does not work, because of persons with the same name.
> > Grouping into families gets difficult when they start having their own
> > family etc.
> >
> > How do you organize person tags?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stephan
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[Johannes Kapune]

you will not find a flat solution.

Maybe you use some genealogical research software like GRAMPS and after
this you use the generated IDs inside the structure of names (for families)

Johannes

Am 22.03.2015 um 16:29 schrieb Stephan Olbrich:

> Thats what I'm using, but in the end it's still just tags that are assigned
> (plus which face it is). And by default this only uses a flat hierarachy, so I
> end up with a long list of names. Appart from that this is not usable for >100
> persons, it also fails for people with the same name (firstname and lastname).
>
> Am Sonntag, 22. MÀrz 2015, 10:12:53 schrieb Alan Pater:
>> Have you tried the face management feature in digikam? You tag each
>> face in some photos and the computer takes care of hierarchy for you.
>> It also applies the same tags to other photos of the same person or
>> persons. Once you get it started, the computer does all the hard work
>> for you.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Stephan Olbrich <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
>>> Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
>>> persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
>>> family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to
>>> each other.
>>> A flat hierarchy does not work, because of persons with the same name.
>>> Grouping into families gets difficult when they start having their own
>>> family etc.
>>>
>>> How do you organize person tags?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephan
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users
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[Boudewijn]

Hi Stephan,
On 22-3-2015 15:07, Stephan Olbrich wrote:
> I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
> Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
> persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
> family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to each
> other.
I can not comment on Alans suggestion with the face recognition; my
version of DK (2.6) does not have that feature in usable form yet.

In my tags I imply a hierarchy by giving multiple tags to one person. So
there might be a people/Stephan tag on a photo I got of you, and a tag
groups/friends. That way I can find friends/Stephan by filtering.

Family relations I tag from my own perspective; if I had an uncle named
Stephan, it would have family/uncle besides people/name. I would mostly
not use exactly the same tag as for the other Stephan, but I'd have to
check for collisions to see for sure.

I think there's no golden rule. I try to keep my tag hierarchy less than
three levels deep, and I do not have so many people/name-tags that there
are many collisions.

Once you decide on a scheme, would you post it? I think it always
interesting to learn about tagging strategies.

Best regards,

Boudewijn
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Your message got to my spams box because of your yahoo.com email address:

Pourquoi ce message se trouve-t-il dans les spams ? L'adresse d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com n'ont pas permis de la valider.  En savoir plus

Marie-Noëlle

2015-03-23 11:13 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn <[hidden email]>:

Hi Stephan,
On 22-3-2015 15:07, Stephan Olbrich wrote:

I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
Something like persons/coworker/firstname_lastname or
persons/sport/firstname_lastname works well enough for friends but not for
family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow related to each
other.

I can not comment on Alans suggestion with the face recognition; my version of DK (2.6) does not have that feature in usable form yet.

In my tags I imply a hierarchy by giving multiple tags to one person. So there might be a people/Stephan tag on a photo I got of you, and a tag groups/friends. That way I can find friends/Stephan by filtering.

Family relations I tag from my own perspective; if I had an uncle named Stephan, it would have family/uncle besides people/name. I would mostly not use exactly the same tag as for the other Stephan, but I'd have to check for collisions to see for sure.

I think there's no golden rule. I try to keep my tag hierarchy less than three levels deep, and I do not have so many people/name-tags that there are many collisions.

Once you decide on a scheme, would you post it? I think it always interesting to learn about tagging strategies.

Best regards,

Boudewijn
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[Boudewijn]

Hi Marie-Noëlle,

Merci, thanks for forwarding my message. I'll see if I can figure out
the reason for ending up in the spam (and hope this mail does not end
there as well ;-) ).

Best regards,

Boudewijn

On 23-3-2015 11:36, Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:

> Your message got to my spams box because of your yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com> email address:
> *Pourquoi ce message se trouve-t-il dans les spams ?* L'adresse
> d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com>, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com> n'ont pas permis de la valider. En savoir plus
> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1366858?hl=fr&expand=5>
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>
>
> 2015-03-23 11:13 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Hi Stephan,
>     On 22-3-2015 15:07, Stephan Olbrich wrote:
>
>         I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
>         Something like persons/coworker/firstname___lastname or
>         persons/sport/firstname___lastname works well enough for friends
>         but not for
>         family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow
>         related to each
>         other.
>
>     I can not comment on Alans suggestion with the face recognition; my
>     version of DK (2.6) does not have that feature in usable form yet.
>
>     In my tags I imply a hierarchy by giving multiple tags to one
>     person. So there might be a people/Stephan tag on a photo I got of
>     you, and a tag groups/friends. That way I can find friends/Stephan
>     by filtering.
>
>     Family relations I tag from my own perspective; if I had an uncle
>     named Stephan, it would have family/uncle besides people/name. I
>     would mostly not use exactly the same tag as for the other Stephan,
>     but I'd have to check for collisions to see for sure.
>
>     I think there's no golden rule. I try to keep my tag hierarchy less
>     than three levels deep, and I do not have so many people/name-tags
>     that there are many collisions.
>
>     Once you decide on a scheme, would you post it? I think it always
>     interesting to learn about tagging strategies.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Boudewijn
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Once again in Gmail spam box!  :-)

Marie-Noëlle

2015-03-24 10:03 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn <[hidden email]>:

Hi Marie-Noëlle,

Merci, thanks for forwarding my message. I'll see if I can figure out the reason for ending up in the spam (and hope this mail does not end there as well ;-) ).

Best regards,

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Am 24.03.2015 um 12:32 schrieb Marie-Noëlle Augendre:
> Once again in Gmail spam box!  :-)
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>

Maybe google doesn't like competence. It wouldn't surprise me, they are
the evil dictators of the internet and behave as if they would be god.

I have a very effective spam filter on my server and those mails did not
even make 1 point of 5 to be recognized as spam...

Maybe you can adjust your gmail spam filter. Don't know how. Search...
google... I don't use gmail there because of privacy issues...

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Boudewijn

I am just wondering if Google does not approve of your user name or at
least the first 4 characters of it. I suggest you search for that 4
letter word and discover its meaning in English. It is not a very bad
word like other English 4 letter words but it is not used in polite
company. I realise that your user name is made up of the famous rotary
engine name however the first 4 characters are somewhat unfortunate in
English/American English (and yes I do believe they are separate
languages) ;-))

Regards   Stuart

On 24/03/15 09:03, Boudewijn wrote:

> Hi Marie-Noëlle,
>
> Merci, thanks for forwarding my message. I'll see if I can figure out
> the reason for ending up in the spam (and hope this mail does not end
> there as well ;-) ).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Boudewijn
>
> On 23-3-2015 11:36, Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:
>> Your message got to my spams box because of your yahoo.com
>> <http://yahoo.com> email address:
>> *Pourquoi ce message se trouve-t-il dans les spams ?* L'adresse
>> d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com
>> <http://yahoo.com>, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com
>> <http://yahoo.com> n'ont pas permis de la valider. En savoir plus
>> <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1366858?hl=fr&expand=5>
>>
>> Marie-Noëlle
>>
>>
>> 2015-03-23 11:13 GMT+01:00 Boudewijn <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>>
>>     Hi Stephan,
>>     On 22-3-2015 15:07, Stephan Olbrich wrote:
>>
>>         I'm looking for a good way to organize the tags for persons.
>>         Something like persons/coworker/firstname___lastname or
>>         persons/sport/firstname___lastname works well enough for friends
>>         but not for
>>         family where I already have 6 generations of persons somehow
>>         related to each
>>         other.
>>
>>     I can not comment on Alans suggestion with the face recognition; my
>>     version of DK (2.6) does not have that feature in usable form yet.
>>
>>     In my tags I imply a hierarchy by giving multiple tags to one
>>     person. So there might be a people/Stephan tag on a photo I got of
>>     you, and a tag groups/friends. That way I can find friends/Stephan
>>     by filtering.
>>
>>     Family relations I tag from my own perspective; if I had an uncle
>>     named Stephan, it would have family/uncle besides people/name. I
>>     would mostly not use exactly the same tag as for the other Stephan,
>>     but I'd have to check for collisions to see for sure.
>>
>>     I think there's no golden rule. I try to keep my tag hierarchy less
>>     than three levels deep, and I do not have so many people/name-tags
>>     that there are many collisions.
>>
>>     Once you decide on a scheme, would you post it? I think it always
>>     interesting to learn about tagging strategies.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     Boudewijn
>>     _________________________________________________
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>>     [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>     https://mail.kde.org/mailman/__listinfo/digikam-users
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *Les calendriers 2015 sont disponibles sur le site lulu.com :*
>> <http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/mnaugendre>
>>
>> http://www.lulu.com/shop/marie-no%C3%ABlle-augendre/calendrier-aubrac-2015/calendar/product-21867668.html
>>
>> <http://www.lulu.com/shop/marie-no%C3%ABlle-augendre/calendrier-aubrac-2015/calendar/product-21867668.html>http://www.lulu.com/shop/marie-no%C3%ABlle-augendre/lumi%C3%A8res-en-languedoc-roussillon-calendrier-2015/calendar/product-21867751.html
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>>
>>
>> Site personnel <http://marie-noelle-augendre.com/>, Photographe en
>> Cévennes <http://www.facebook.com/PhotographeEnCevennes> sur Facebook,
>> et la photothèque Cévennes Plurielles
>> <http://www.cevennes-plurielles.com>
>>
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You might have missed or misunderstood the reason I copy/paste in my first mail:
"L'adresse
d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com
<http://yahoo.com>, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com
<http://yahoo.com> n'ont pas permis de la valider."

In english, that means that this specific yahoo.com sender address could not be authentificated by yahoo itself.

Myself, I don't mind checking my spam folder regularly. But I thought it better to warn the sender, as some other correspondants don't always check. As it is, I don't think we are only a few using Gmail. :-)

Marie-Noëlle

2015-03-24 13:31 GMT+01:00 Stuart T Rogers <[hidden email]>:

Boudewijn

I am just wondering if Google does not approve of your user name or at least the first 4 characters of it. I suggest you search for that 4 letter word and discover its meaning in English. It is not a very bad word like other English 4 letter words but it is not used in polite company. I realise that your user name is made up of the famous rotary engine name however the first 4 characters are somewhat unfortunate in English/American English (and yes I do believe they are separate languages) ;-))

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[Benjamin Girault-2]

Hi,

This sounds like a DKIP / DMARC issue. DKIP / DMARC is a server side mecanism
to verify that the server sending the email is the right one, and policies to
follow in case this server checking fails. The first problem could be the
email signing in DKIP that is broken for yahoo or gmail, but I doubt it.

The other possible problem could be that since we are here on a mailing list,
the mails are forwarded by the ML server. The problem then is that the same
sending address (here <user>@yahoo.com) is used by the ML server but sent from
kde.org instead of the yahoo.com domain, such that the DKIP check fails. The
policy given by Yahoo is to reject such emails (i.e. mark them as spam) [1].

I guess a simple test would be for Boudewijn to send an email directly to
Marie-Noëlle. If that goes through, then it is the ML / DKIP / DMARC problem
and there is not much you can do. Otherwise, I don't know.

Best,

[1] https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/yahoo-dmarc-policy-sln24050.html

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Le mardi 24 mars 2015, 14:44:07 Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

> You might have missed or misunderstood the reason I copy/paste in my first
> mail:
> "L'adresse
> d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com>, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com
> <http://yahoo.com> n'ont pas permis de la valider."
>
> In english, that means that this specific yahoo.com sender address could
> not be authentificated by yahoo itself.
>
> Myself, I don't mind checking my spam folder regularly. But I thought it
> better to warn the sender, as some other correspondants don't always check.
> As it is, I don't think we are only a few using Gmail.
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>
> 2015-03-24 13:31 GMT+01:00 Stuart T Rogers <[hidden email]>:
> > Boudewijn
> >
> > I am just wondering if Google does not approve of your user name or at
> > least the first 4 characters of it. I suggest you search for that 4 letter
> > word and discover its meaning in English. It is not a very bad word like
> > other English 4 letter words but it is not used in polite company. I
> > realise that your user name is made up of the famous rotary engine name
> > however the first 4 characters are somewhat unfortunate in
> > English/American
> > English (and yes I do believe they are separate languages) ;-))
> >

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[Boudewijn]

Sorry for initiating this off topic thread, which turned out quite informative
for me in more than one respect ;-)  

On Tuesday 24 March 2015 19:00:33 Benjamin Girault wrote:
> This sounds like a DKIP / DMARC issue. (...)
>
> The other possible problem could be that since we are here on a mailing
> list, the mails are forwarded by the ML server.
Another option is that yahoo does not appreciate me not visiting their
webclient, and bugs me a bit in this way.

> I guess a simple test would be for Boudewijn to send an email directly to
> Marie-Noëlle. If that goes through, then it is the ML / DKIP / DMARC
> problem and there is not much you can do. Otherwise, I don't know.
I took the liberty of doing just that. I realized that I always assumed I was
not subscribed to my own mails, but that I never checked. I never saw them
turning up in the list, so inspired by Marie-Noëlle I checked whether I maybe
turned up in my own spamfolder as well. I didn't, (neither did my emails,) but
I did find loads of interesting bits threads I sometimes got the idea of
missing the last few months.

> Le mardi 24 mars 2015, 14:44:07 Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> > You might have missed or misunderstood the reason I copy/paste in my
> > first mail:
> > "L'adresse
> > d'expéditeur indiquée est associée au domaine yahoo.com
> > <http://yahoo.com>, mais les tests d'authentification de yahoo.com
> > <http://yahoo.com> n'ont pas permis de la valider."
> >
> > In english, that means that this specific yahoo.com sender address could
> > not be authentificated by yahoo itself.

Could be. That made me think it could be because of using various non-yahoo
clients for sending mail.

Would you mind giving a note on where these two of my emails end up? :-)

Best regards,

Boudewijn
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