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Where do I get a users manual for Digikam?
I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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as a separate package. anyway it's there :
http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs Gilles Caulier 2010/1/5 BGP <[hidden email]>: > Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? > > I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). > > > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:39:30 +0100, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote: > as a separate package. anyway it's there : > > http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs there is a link to the KDE Wiki on that site. "A wiki page hosted by KDE project is under contruction. Every one can contribute to add and fix wiki contents. Look >>here<< for details." It leads to a 404 Nor Found. Andreas _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Gilles Caulier wrote:
> install digikam handbook package. > > Gilles Caulier > > 2010/1/5 BGP <[hidden email]>: > >> Gilles Caulier wrote: >> >>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>> >>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>> >>> Gilles Caulier >>> >>> 2010/1/5 BGP <[hidden email]>: >>> >>> >>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>> >>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get HELP the >> help/users manuals come up? >> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >> >> >> >> > > Where do I get it? I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from Digikam. Is that what everyone does? _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be
visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no documentation available" messages. It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I still pissed. I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial installation of digikam. I continue to be amazed that this sort of thing is simply accepted in the Linux world. You want acceptance? Make yourself acceptable. (And thanks for this great program - as I'm getting into it, it looks very fine. I'm grateful to have it. Now please fix the damn packaging problem.) t. On 01/05/2010 06:28 AM, BGP wrote: > Gilles Caulier wrote: > >> install digikam handbook package. >> >> Gilles Caulier >> >> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >> >> >>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>> >>> >>>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>>> >>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get HELP the >>> help/users manuals come up? >>> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > How do I do that? > > Where do I get it? > > I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from > Digikam. Is that what everyone does? > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << [hidden email]>> (email) << TomCloyd.com>> (website) << sleightmind.wordpress.com>> (mental health issues weblog) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Tom Cloyd wrote:
> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should > be visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other > VISIBLE space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 > OS, it came with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily > find, and a lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., > led to "no documentation available" messages. > > It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This > is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I still pissed. > > I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to > me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON > ITS FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE > FORUMS (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where > the stuff is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. > > I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not > interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's > going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete > program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather > easy to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from > computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial > installation of digikam. > > I continue to be amazed that this sort of thing is simply accepted in > the Linux world. You want acceptance? Make yourself acceptable. > > (And thanks for this great program - as I'm getting into it, it looks > very fine. I'm grateful to have it. Now please fix the damn packaging > problem.) > > t. > > On 01/05/2010 06:28 AM, BGP wrote: >> Gilles Caulier wrote: >> >>> install digikam handbook package. >>> >>> Gilles Caulier >>> >>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>> >>> >>>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>>>> >>>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>>>> >>>>> Gilles Caulier >>>>> >>>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get >>>> HELP the >>>> help/users manuals come up? >>>> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> How do I do that? >> >> Where do I get it? >> >> I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from >> Digikam. Is that what everyone does? >> _______________________________________________ >> Digikam-users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >> >> > > for a long time. Make it easy to access, understandable and not some computer geek techno-talk. I have spent TOO MANY HOURS reading trash from people that, for whatever reason, think they are the high-priests of Linux, understand the system perfectly but have no brains in their head or ability to tell others how to solve their problems with Linux. Heck, I still don't even know how to download a program with that that Tar ball or Tar bag or whatever it's called!!!! Linux would've slaughtered Windows years ago if it had been as easy to use (with some exceptions) as Windows. I have no intention of going back to Windows for most of my work but do not like having to put up with nonsense from a poorly presented system. On the other hand.....I really do like Ubuntu. But, it's just a system, a bunch of code lines and not a person. It's a product with no emotion and no soul so I'm under no obligation to regard it with the affection or loyalty I'd have for a person. Digikam is a good program. Much nicer than that wretched Picasa (and any thing that fool Google comes up with). The developers have done a good job of making it....but they could add on a few more things that'd make it the best. To get a help manual requires a PhD just to download and install. Really, how hard could it be to include all of the extras we need to start with ? _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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2010/1/5 Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]>:
> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be > visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE > space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came > with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a > lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no > documentation available" messages. OK, i will said one time, no more. hare well : digiKam documentation is in a separate package because it's huge. one binary package, on documentation Go to package manage and enter digikam. look documentation package and install it. that all It certainly difficult to do for people who want to read some words. > > It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This > is NOT good customer relations. Â It's been three days and I still pissed. > > I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to > me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS > FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS > (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff > is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. > > I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not > interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's > going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete > program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy > to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from > computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial > installation of digikam. > These words are unacceptable for me. i take A LOTS OF FREE TIME to develop, coordinate, contact people, fix bugs, implement new feature. An this is the same for all other people who work in digiKam project. This is open source world, not a software company. We are not payed for that. You want more service, you don't like my words : no problem, go back to windows or mac an give money as a customer... Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Yes, DigiKam isn't the only program around that provides help files in
a separate package... a quick search for "-doc" in Synaptic turns up many many packages, including OpenOffice. Standalone help files are large (and for intermediate to advanced users, largely unnecessary) - hence removable. Besides, this is all clearly spelled out one click away from the index on DigiKam's webpage: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs Anyway. Open up Synaptic Package Manager, search for "digikam-doc", check the box "mark for installation" and hit Apply. Congrats, you've bullied us into providing a solution. Re: DigiKam help menu, maybe the "best" solution to avoid this in the future would be to have the Help menu simply point the user to the documentation webpage when digikam-doc is not installed... if it doesn't do that already. -Greg On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote: > 2010/1/5 Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]>: >> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be >> visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE >> space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came >> with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a >> lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no >> documentation available" messages. > > OK, i will said one time, no more. hare well : digiKam documentation > is in a separate package because it's huge. > > one binary package, on documentation > > Go to package manage and enter digikam. look documentation package and > install it. that all > > It certainly difficult to do for people who want to read some words. > >> >> It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This >> is NOT good customer relations. Â It's been three days and I still pissed. >> >> I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to >> me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS >> FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS >> (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff >> is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. >> >> I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not >> interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's >> going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete >> program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy >> to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from >> computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial >> installation of digikam. >> > > These words are unacceptable for me. i take A LOTS OF FREE TIME to > develop, coordinate, contact people, fix bugs, implement new feature. > An this is the same for all other people who work in digiKam project. > This is open source world, not a software company. > > We are not payed for that. You want more service, you don't like my > words : no problem, go back to windows or mac an give money as a > customer... > > Gilles Caulier > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tuesday 05 January 2010 17:14:26 Gilles Caulier wrote: > 2010/1/5 Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]>: > > I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be > > visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE > > space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came > > with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a > > lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no > > documentation available" messages. > > OK, i will said one time, no more. hare well : digiKam documentation > is in a separate package because it's huge. > > one binary package, on documentation > > Go to package manage and enter digikam. look documentation package and > install it. that all > > It certainly difficult to do for people who want to read some words. > and once you've installed the help docs you can access them from the command line or 'Run Command' by typing: khelpcenter help:/digikam ....and I believe the Linux world is always looking for helpers - maybe you could help with the helpcenter/wiki or whatever when you get up to speed with Digikam ;-) DIL23 :) > > It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This > > is NOT good customer relations. Â It's been three days and I still pissed. > > > > I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to > > me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS > > FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS > > (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff > > is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. > > > > I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not > > interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's > > going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete > > program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy > > to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from > > computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial > > installation of digikam. > > These words are unacceptable for me. i take A LOTS OF FREE TIME to > develop, coordinate, contact people, fix bugs, implement new feature. > An this is the same for all other people who work in digiKam project. > This is open source world, not a software company. > > We are not payed for that. You want more service, you don't like my > words : no problem, go back to windows or mac an give money as a > customer... > > Gilles Caulier > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be > visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE > space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came > with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a > lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no > documentation available" messages. Because you didn't install it? > It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This > is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I still pissed. I don't even have Digikam on this computer and it just took me about 5 seconds to find the documentation online. Go to www.digikam.org click "Documentation" ta-da _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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2010/1/5 Paul Hartman <[hidden email]>:
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be >> visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE >> space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came >> with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a >> lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no >> documentation available" messages. > > Because you didn't install it? > >> It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This >> is NOT good customer relations.  It's been three days and I still pissed. > > I don't even have Digikam on this computer and it just took me about 5 > seconds to find the documentation online. > > Go to www.digikam.org > click "Documentation" > > ta-da Et voilà : very difficult no ? Of course, you must to search a little bit... and to concentrate you on this task. Not very simple. Ok, bye... Gilles > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> 2010/1/5 Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]>: > OK, i will said one time, no more. hare well : digiKam > documentation is in a separate package because it's huge. > one binary package, on documentation > > Go to package manage and enter digikam. look documentation package > and install it. that all At least in my OpenSuse 11.2, there is no separate documentation package for digikam and when calling up the help/documentation menu, it calls up the kde help centerr with the info that index.html wasn't found. Would be nice if following your instructions would be all - I never had a documentation for digikam. I guess that's a problem of the distro, but it wouldn't be a problem if the docs were included in the main package. I agree that because it's software that many help develop in their free time without any remuneration, the documentation part suffers because functionality and bug fixing is in first place. I know that also from my part of programming. But this seems to me a simple thing to do with not much effort involved. Separating documentation and the main program obviously causes some trouble to some distro-packagers, which can be avoided. Nobody (or at least not many) cares about package size nowadays. Thanks to all developers for their efforts and time in producing such a great piece of software! Martin -- E-Mail digital signiert mit Hilfe von GPG - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tuesday 05 January 2010 18:14:26, Gilles Caulier wrote:
> ... > > These words are unacceptable for me. i take A LOTS OF FREE TIME to > develop, coordinate, contact people, fix bugs, implement new feature. > An this is the same for all other people who work in digiKam project. > This is open source world, not a software company. > > We are not payed for that. You want more service, you don't like my > words : no problem, go back to windows or mac an give money as a > customer... > > Gilles Caulier You are right, Gilles! I already typed an email before to complain about the impertinent tone of these two mails - but then I deleted it, because... well, as a sometimes choleric person I remembered some of my own mails sent to several mailing lists that were not better at all... DigiKam is not only free, it is a great gift to us! Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Ehhhm... but, sorry, how can I install the doc? Under OpenSuse 11.2? On the said page I find a link, but then within that link I often come to links that do not go any further (I get "help is not a registered protocol" e.g. when clicking on "metadata editor" on "http://.......digikam/using- sidebar.html#using-sidebarmetadata"). So I guess that format is intended for local install. But where do I get that "package"? Google doesn't help... Sorry, if I'm just to blind or stupid. I read that page several times, but just don't catch it... thanks for hints. Daniel b.t.w.: I'm just starting to use 1.0. It looks great! -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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While I agree this isn't a good situation, and I understand your frustration, it's not something I don't expect whenever I try a new open source program. I've been bitten so many times that it's become part of my evaluation.
Because of that, I checked the documentation page and found the pdf and read a bit of it before I even tried the program, to see if it had the features I wanted. Lucky, maybe. But another part of my evaluation is the website associated with the program, and as far as open source programs go, this has an exceptionally good one. How many open source programs have websites that leave you hunting around to even find out what the program is supposed to do? I guess this project needs context help, but it has a pretty good manual, so it can wait, I think the manual is more important. Maybe you could get involved with helping with these? -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>; digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]> Sent: Wed Jan 06 01:56:33 2010 Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Users manual? I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no documentation available" messages. It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I still pissed. I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial installation of digikam. I continue to be amazed that this sort of thing is simply accepted in the Linux world. You want acceptance? Make yourself acceptable. (And thanks for this great program - as I'm getting into it, it looks very fine. I'm grateful to have it. Now please fix the damn packaging problem.) t. On 01/05/2010 06:28 AM, BGP wrote: > Gilles Caulier wrote: > >> install digikam handbook package. >> >> Gilles Caulier >> >> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >> >> >>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>> >>> >>>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>>> >>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>>> >>>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get HELP the >>> help/users manuals come up? >>> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > How do I do that? > > Where do I get it? > > I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from > Digikam. Is that what everyone does? > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << [hidden email]>> (email) << TomCloyd.com>> (website) << sleightmind.wordpress.com>> (mental health issues weblog) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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I agree. Putting the information about how to solve the problem in the first place the user is likely to try is a good idea.
-------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Kennedy <[hidden email]> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]> Sent: Wed Jan 06 04:28:57 2010 Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Users manual? Yes, DigiKam isn't the only program around that provides help files in a separate package... a quick search for "-doc" in Synaptic turns up many many packages, including OpenOffice. Standalone help files are large (and for intermediate to advanced users, largely unnecessary) - hence removable. Besides, this is all clearly spelled out one click away from the index on DigiKam's webpage: http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs Anyway. Open up Synaptic Package Manager, search for "digikam-doc", check the box "mark for installation" and hit Apply. Congrats, you've bullied us into providing a solution. Re: DigiKam help menu, maybe the "best" solution to avoid this in the future would be to have the Help menu simply point the user to the documentation webpage when digikam-doc is not installed... if it doesn't do that already. -Greg On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote: > 2010/1/5 Tom Cloyd <[hidden email]>: >> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should be >> visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other VISIBLE >> space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 OS, it came >> with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily find, and a >> lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., led to "no >> documentation available" messages. > > OK, i will said one time, no more. hare well : digiKam documentation > is in a separate package because it's huge. > > one binary package, on documentation > > Go to package manage and enter digikam. look documentation package and > install it. that all > > It certainly difficult to do for people who want to read some words. > >> >> It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. This >> is NOT good customer relations. Â It's been three days and I still pissed. >> >> I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful to >> me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION ON ITS >> FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE FORUMS >> (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where the stuff >> is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. >> >> I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not >> interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's >> going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete >> program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather easy >> to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far from >> computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my initial >> installation of digikam. >> > > These words are unacceptable for me. i take A LOTS OF FREE TIME to > develop, coordinate, contact people, fix bugs, implement new feature. > An this is the same for all other people who work in digiKam project. > This is open source world, not a software company. > > We are not payed for that. You want more service, you don't like my > words : no problem, go back to windows or mac an give money as a > customer... > > Gilles Caulier > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On 01/05/2010 09:28 AM, Greg Kennedy wrote:
[...] > Re: DigiKam help menu, maybe the "best" solution to avoid this in the > future would be to have the Help menu simply point the user to the > documentation webpage when digikam-doc is not installed... if it > doesn't do that already. > > -Greg You nailed it. What I'm advocating for is that it be dirt-simple. Typical users (as opposed to "Linux lovers") don't want to LEARN, they want to USE. Life is short. I have work to do. t. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi
Please learn to quote mails correctly. Am Tuesday, 5. January 2010 schrieb BGP: > Heck, I still don't even know how to download a program with that that > Tar ball or Tar bag or whatever it's called!!!! You're using Ubuntu? Go to http://ubuntuforums.org/ and check there. If you do not find the answer ask. Even if you didn't mention in your first mails I would have known that you are quite new. Search for the Netiquette and read it. > Linux would've slaughtered Windows years ago if it had been as easy to > use (with some exceptions) as Windows. I have no intention of going > back to Windows for most of my work but do not like having to put up > with nonsense from a poorly presented system. IMHO Linux isn't any harder to use than Windows. There are just more people around you who know Windows. > Digikam is a good program. Much nicer than that wretched Picasa (and > any thing that fool Google comes up with). The developers have done a > good job of making it....but they could add on a few more things that'd > make it the best. To get a help manual requires a PhD just to download > and install. Really, how hard could it be to include all of the extras > we need to start with ? Well you should ask the Ubuntu guys. The digikam developers simply provide the code and the documentation. It depends on your distribution what will be installed and what not. Best example is Ubuntu itself. If you try to play a video, but you do not have the codec installed it asks you if you want to install it. Why dosn't Ubuntu ask you if you want to install the digikam-doc package when you open the help and it isn't installed? And to the OpenSuse guys: It isn't the fault of digikam if OpenSuse doesn't provide the doc Package. Ask OpenSuse why. Andreas PS: Guys, digikam is great! One of my most favourite applications! -- My Public GPG Key: http://www.silicoids-world.de/gpg.asc Join Xing: http://www.xing.com/go/invite/7217885.c75a68 If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then you clearly don't understand the situation. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On 01/05/2010 07:20 AM, BGP wrote:
> Tom Cloyd wrote: >> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should >> be visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other >> VISIBLE space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 >> OS, it came with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily >> find, and a lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., >> led to "no documentation available" messages. >> >> It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. >> This is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I >> still pissed. >> >> I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful >> to me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION >> ON ITS FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE >> FORUMS (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where >> the stuff is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. >> >> I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not >> interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's >> going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete >> program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather >> easy to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far >> from computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my >> initial installation of digikam. >> >> I continue to be amazed that this sort of thing is simply accepted in >> the Linux world. You want acceptance? Make yourself acceptable. >> >> (And thanks for this great program - as I'm getting into it, it looks >> very fine. I'm grateful to have it. Now please fix the damn packaging >> problem.) >> >> t. >> >> On 01/05/2010 06:28 AM, BGP wrote: >>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>> install digikam handbook package. >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>>>>> >>>>>> Gilles Caulier >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get >>>>> HELP the >>>>> help/users manuals come up? >>>>> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> How do I do that? >>> >>> Where do I get it? >>> >>> I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from >>> Digikam. Is that what everyone does? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Digikam-users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>> >> >> > I second your comments and it's exactly what I've thought about Linux > for a long time. Make it easy to access, understandable and not some > computer geek techno-talk. I have spent TOO MANY HOURS reading trash > from people that, for whatever reason, think they are the high-priests > of Linux, understand the system perfectly but have no brains in their > head or ability to tell others how to solve their problems with Linux. > > Heck, I still don't even know how to download a program with that that > Tar ball or Tar bag or whatever it's called!!!! > > Linux would've slaughtered Windows years ago if it had been as easy to > use (with some exceptions) as Windows. I have no intention of going > back to Windows for most of my work but do not like having to put up > with nonsense from a poorly presented system. > > On the other hand.....I really do like Ubuntu. But, it's just a > system, a bunch of code lines and not a person. It's a product with > no emotion and no soul so I'm under no obligation to regard it with > the affection or loyalty I'd have for a person. > > Digikam is a good program. Much nicer than that wretched Picasa (and > any thing that fool Google comes up with). The developers have done a > good job of making it....but they could add on a few more things > that'd make it the best. To get a help manual requires a PhD just to > download and install. Really, how hard could it be to include all of > the extras we need to start with ? > > > > > > also prepared to cling firmly, as I'm confident of their soundness. Instead, you agree. Excellent. Thanks for the supportive response. I make my living working with people (as a psychotherapist) - which doesn't mean I'm always very agreeable to be around! But, I do know that people require management, and fostering. Computer aren't about programmers, they're about users. Something as probably-terrific (I'll know soon) as DigiKam, needs to give a LOT more attention to public relations. My standard recommendations ('cause I've had this conversation before): 1. The folks driving the software need to slow down feature development, pull together a mechanism for getting and using customer feedback, and then visibly make some usability changes. Documentation is only the first step - not that many folks read the stuff (I do), but it still needs to be there. Observing and responding to user interactions with the interface IS the answer. 2. I strongly believe in the value of a user drive documentation wiki. Just do it. Then promote it. DO NOT ALLOW good ideas which come out of any related forum to lay buried there. Move them into the wiki. STOP ALL CODING AND DO THIS FOR 30 DAYS, for pete's sake. Help us catch up with you. Bottom line: Computer literate as I am (mainframe operator experience. programming experience in multiple languages - currently Ruby, professional web site design experience), I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WORK MY WAY THROUGH GEEKSPEAK, much less go on a g.d. treasure hunt to FIND the damned stuff. Since I often have little alternative, I give up time I ought to be skiing, practicing guitar, publishing, developing friends and lovers, just so I can locate the g. d. documentation for something I really really need to use. Not good for my mental health, and you don't want to meet me in a dark alley if I know you're the author of this ship wreck. For what it's worth . Gotta get back to work. t. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << [hidden email]>> (email) << TomCloyd.com>> (website) << sleightmind.wordpress.com>> (mental health issues weblog) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On 01/05/2010 11:44 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
[...] > While I agree this isn't a good situation, and I understand your frustration, it's not something I don't expect whenever I try a new open source program. I've been bitten so many times that it's become part of my evaluation. > > > > Because of that, I checked the documentation page and found the pdf and read a bit of it before I even tried the program, to see if it had the features I wanted. > > > > Lucky, maybe. But another part of my evaluation is the website associated with the program, and as far as open source programs go, this has an exceptionally good one. How many open source programs have websites that leave you hunting around to even find out what the program is supposed to do? > > > > I guess this project needs context help, but it has a pretty good manual, so it can wait, I think the manual is more important. Maybe you could get involved with helping with these? > I'd love to get involved, but...it has to be easy. Seriously, I have work to do (as do we all). What I need is to get a quick hit on "Digikam wiki" or to have a link to such a think IN the interface - main menu Help dropdown would be ideal. I DO write a lot and contribute all over the place, but I don't have time to create infrastructure. I have to sleep occasionally. t. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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One thing people tend to forget is that the majority of people working on projects like digiKam are not getting paid in any way for their work. I think it's reasonable to ask developers for things, but complaining about all that is wrong with an application or Linux in general is not productive. The fact that people are donating their free time to write code I can use is good enough for me. If I have to give up some of my precious time to understand how to make it work that's a compromise I choose to make instead of buying propriety crap from MS, ADBE, or anyone else. If you don't want to make that compromise, it's understandable, but it's not simply the fault of developers for not making things easy.
Assuming that digiKam developers have limited time I'd be ok with never seeing any documentation and having them concentrate on new features, new releases, bug fixes, etc. Yes I always want more, but I'm happy with whatever I get! Vern -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cloyd [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:07 PM To: digikam Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Users manual? On 01/05/2010 07:20 AM, BGP wrote: > Tom Cloyd wrote: >> I STRONGLY think links to immediately available documentation should >> be visible in the main menu's Help item drop down or some other >> VISIBLE space. When I recently installed Digikam on my Kubuntu 9.10 >> OS, it came with NO help, no documentation a human being could easily >> find, and a lot of frustration. All help links, context help, etc., >> led to "no documentation available" messages. >> >> It took me close to 2 hours to find the solution to this problem. >> This is NOT good customer relations. It's been three days and I >> still pissed. >> >> I find this program to be quite interesting, and likely very useful >> to me in the immediate future - BUT ONLY IF I CAN GET DOCUMENTATION >> ON ITS FUNCTIONS WITHOUT CLEARING MY SCHEDULE AND JUMPING ONTO THREE >> FORUMS (mild hyperbole there, but you get the idea) to find out where >> the stuff is hiding and what I have to do to get it on my machine.. >> >> I really do NOT want to hear why I had this experience. I'm not >> interested. I don't care. I don't have time. I want to hear that it's >> going to be fixed, that in the future I'm going to get a complete >> program when I install digikam. A user interface that isn't rather >> easy to get into or get figured out is a failure. Period. I'm far >> from computer illiterate and I simply fell into a deep hole with my >> initial installation of digikam. >> >> I continue to be amazed that this sort of thing is simply accepted in >> the Linux world. You want acceptance? Make yourself acceptable. >> >> (And thanks for this great program - as I'm getting into it, it looks >> very fine. I'm grateful to have it. Now please fix the damn packaging >> problem.) >> >> t. >> >> On 01/05/2010 06:28 AM, BGP wrote: >>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>> install digikam handbook package. >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>>> Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> as a separate package. anyway it's there : >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs >>>>>> >>>>>> Gilles Caulier >>>>>> >>>>>> 2010/1/5 BGP<[hidden email]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where do I get a users manual for Digikam? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (if that matters). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Digikam-users mailing list >>>>>>> [hidden email] >>>>>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> How do I configure Digikam so that when I hit the F1 key to get >>>>> HELP the >>>>> help/users manuals come up? >>>>> Or, does everyone just download the PDF file and use it that way? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> How do I do that? >>> >>> Where do I get it? >>> >>> I just downloaded the Digikam.pdf file which I can open seperate from >>> Digikam. Is that what everyone does? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Digikam-users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>> >> >> > I second your comments and it's exactly what I've thought about Linux > for a long time. Make it easy to access, understandable and not some > computer geek techno-talk. I have spent TOO MANY HOURS reading trash > from people that, for whatever reason, think they are the high-priests > of Linux, understand the system perfectly but have no brains in their > head or ability to tell others how to solve their problems with Linux. > > Heck, I still don't even know how to download a program with that that > Tar ball or Tar bag or whatever it's called!!!! > > Linux would've slaughtered Windows years ago if it had been as easy to > use (with some exceptions) as Windows. I have no intention of going > back to Windows for most of my work but do not like having to put up > with nonsense from a poorly presented system. > > On the other hand.....I really do like Ubuntu. But, it's just a > system, a bunch of code lines and not a person. It's a product with > no emotion and no soul so I'm under no obligation to regard it with > the affection or loyalty I'd have for a person. > > Digikam is a good program. Much nicer than that wretched Picasa (and > any thing that fool Google comes up with). The developers have done a > good job of making it....but they could add on a few more things > that'd make it the best. To get a help manual requires a PhD just to > download and install. Really, how hard could it be to include all of > the extras we need to start with ? > > > > > > also prepared to cling firmly, as I'm confident of their soundness. Instead, you agree. Excellent. Thanks for the supportive response. I make my living working with people (as a psychotherapist) - which doesn't mean I'm always very agreeable to be around! But, I do know that people require management, and fostering. Computer aren't about programmers, they're about users. Something as probably-terrific (I'll know soon) as DigiKam, needs to give a LOT more attention to public relations. My standard recommendations ('cause I've had this conversation before): 1. The folks driving the software need to slow down feature development, pull together a mechanism for getting and using customer feedback, and then visibly make some usability changes. Documentation is only the first step - not that many folks read the stuff (I do), but it still needs to be there. Observing and responding to user interactions with the interface IS the answer. 2. I strongly believe in the value of a user drive documentation wiki. Just do it. Then promote it. DO NOT ALLOW good ideas which come out of any related forum to lay buried there. Move them into the wiki. STOP ALL CODING AND DO THIS FOR 30 DAYS, for pete's sake. Help us catch up with you. Bottom line: Computer literate as I am (mainframe operator experience. programming experience in multiple languages - currently Ruby, professional web site design experience), I DO NOT HAVE TIME TO WORK MY WAY THROUGH GEEKSPEAK, much less go on a g.d. treasure hunt to FIND the damned stuff. Since I often have little alternative, I give up time I ought to be skiing, practicing guitar, publishing, developing friends and lovers, just so I can locate the g. d. documentation for something I really really need to use. Not good for my mental health, and you don't want to meet me in a dark alley if I know you're the author of this ship wreck. For what it's worth . Gotta get back to work. t. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Cloyd, MS MA, LMHC Private practice Psychotherapist Bellingham, Washington, U.S.A: (360) 920-1226 << [hidden email]>> (email) << TomCloyd.com>> (website) << sleightmind.wordpress.com>> (mental health issues weblog) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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