Select/unselect a bit too small

[tosca]

It seems the 'sometimes' is related to the exact place I click: inside the case vs on the thumbnail, right on the +/- icon vs a little beside... Might be that Digikam requires an accuracy I'm not able to provide!

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/24 Remco Viëtor <[hidden email]>

Well, the 'sometimes' would surprise me. There are some standards about how
to define system-wide hot-keys, and afaik, those don't use Ctrl-
combinations...

The 'sometimes' would make me look for a hot-key combination with the key
next to the Ctrl key ("Windows" or "Menu" key on my keyboard).

And I do agree that the hot spots for the +/- button are rather small.
Though I wouldn't want the symbols to be bigger...

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Le 24/11/2013 20:10, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> It seems the 'sometimes' is related to the exact place I click: inside
> the case vs on the thumbnail, right on the +/- icon vs a little
> beside... Might be that Digikam requires an accuracy I'm not able to
> provide!

ctrl clic works in any place of the thumbnail.

I try not to have more than some hundred of photos in the same album,
because it's pretty boring. If I have large thumbnails, I have a large
amount of pages to watch and if the thumbnails are small I can't even
see what is on them...

better make two or three albums

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I have no usable criteria to divide it: it's the same trip, and we went and came around several times to the sames places during 10 days... Anyway, I see no point to make it smaller, and I'll need to see all the pictures as a whole ensemble to prepare a book.

When the pictures will be tagged, I'll be able to refine my selection and display only what I need.

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/24 jdd <[hidden email]>

I try not to have more than some hundred of photos in the same album, because it's pretty boring. If I have large thumbnails, I have a large amount of pages to watch and if the thumbnails are small I can't even see what is on them...

better make two or three albums

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Le 24/11/2013 20:31, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> I have no usable criteria to divide it:

10 days, ten albums... for example

eventually only as long as you have removed all the unwanted photos...

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The daily division will be completely artificial... and I're already have it using the calendar! The album is the only place that shows the entire trip as a whole; I don't want to be jungling with several albums/sub-albums in darktable too.

The unwanted pictures are not there (there were more than 3000 at the beginning).

Marie-Noëlle

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Le 24/11/2013 20:31, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

I have no usable criteria to divide it:

10 days, ten albums... for example

eventually only as long as you have removed all the unwanted photos...

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Le 24/11/2013 20:40, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> The daily division will be completely artificial...

yes, but anyway you can't look at 1500 pictures at the same time..

but this begin to be out of scope, sorry

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Le 24/11/2013 20:40, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

The daily division will be completely artificial...

yes, but anyway you can't look at 1500 pictures at the same time..

I don't have albums to look at all the pictures at the same time. They are only (one of) the first level of my organisation; it is always possible to refine a search using tags or other information.

 

but this begin to be out of scope, sorry

No problem. It can be interesting to share experiences.
But as a former organizer, I'm rather keen on structuring data in relation to the ways I will need to retrieve it; you own needs could be different and/or you could prefer other solutions.

 

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Hello,

Sorry to bump in after so much has been said. I only wanted to say that I've often had the problem Marie-Noelle describes (that is: performing a large selection of separate thumbnails from within a folder with many pictures) using Ctrl-clic but, wince I release Ctrl to scroll down, sometimes I'd miss the combination and loose my selection.

This has reminded me of the single thing I miss from my ACDsee days under windows: the picture basket. It was (is?) a small panel under the thumbnails where I could drag&drop pictures creating thus a list. When I was done going through all pictures (which could belong to different albums), I applied whatever tag or modification to all at once. The great thing about it was that once in the basket, the selection wouldn't get away by accident. And I would only move to the basket as many images as I had on the screen at a given time, so no fear of losing anything when scrolling.

I think that would be a great addition to digikam.

Nicolas

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]> wrote:

2013/11/24 jdd <[hidden email]>

Le 24/11/2013 20:40, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

The daily division will be completely artificial...

yes, but anyway you can't look at 1500 pictures at the same time..

I don't have albums to look at all the pictures at the same time. They are only (one of) the first level of my organisation; it is always possible to refine a search using tags or other information.

 

but this begin to be out of scope, sorry

No problem. It can be interesting to share experiences.
But as a former organizer, I'm rather keen on structuring data in relation to the ways I will need to retrieve it; you own needs could be different and/or you could prefer other solutions.

 

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I would like very much such a feature.It would be very handy.

If I'm not mistaken, I think Picasa (desktop version) has it too.
And Piwigo for managing the gallery online; with the addition that, using filters, you can make any automatic selection you can then add to the basket.

It would be wonderful with Digikam, as it already provides many ways to select different pictures around with filters or advanced search. With functions such as 'add to basket' / ' remove from basket' ... I'm already longing for it! :-)

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/25 Nicolas MF <[hidden email]>

Hello,

Sorry to bump in after so much has been said. I only wanted to say that I've often had the problem Marie-Noelle describes (that is: performing a large selection of separate thumbnails from within a folder with many pictures) using Ctrl-clic but, wince I release Ctrl to scroll down, sometimes I'd miss the combination and loose my selection.

This has reminded me of the single thing I miss from my ACDsee days under windows: the picture basket. It was (is?) a small panel under the thumbnails where I could drag&drop pictures creating thus a list. When I was done going through all pictures (which could belong to different albums), I applied whatever tag or modification to all at once. The great thing about it was that once in the basket, the selection wouldn't get away by accident. And I would only move to the basket as many images as I had on the screen at a given time, so no fear of losing anything when scrolling.

I think that would be a great addition to digikam.

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I also agree. It would be a very useful feature!

JP

Le 25/11/2013 08:31, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

I would like very much such a feature.It would be very handy.

If I'm not mistaken, I think Picasa (desktop version) has it too.
And Piwigo for managing the gallery online; with the addition that, using filters, you can make any automatic selection you can then add to the basket.

It would be wonderful with Digikam, as it already provides many ways to select different pictures around with filters or advanced search. With functions such as 'add to basket' / ' remove from basket' ... I'm already longing for it! :-)

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/25 Nicolas MF <[hidden email]>

Hello,

Sorry to bump in after so much has been said. I only wanted to say that I've often had the problem Marie-Noelle describes (that is: performing a large selection of separate thumbnails from within a folder with many pictures) using Ctrl-clic but, wince I release Ctrl to scroll down, sometimes I'd miss the combination and loose my selection.

This has reminded me of the single thing I miss from my ACDsee days under windows: the picture basket. It was (is?) a small panel under the thumbnails where I could drag&drop pictures creating thus a list. When I was done going through all pictures (which could belong to different albums), I applied whatever tag or modification to all at once. The great thing about it was that once in the basket, the selection wouldn't get away by accident. And I would only move to the basket as many images as I had on the screen at a given time, so no fear of losing anything when scrolling.

I think that would be a great addition to digikam.

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On Monday 25 November 2013 07:42:53 Nicolas MF wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Sorry to bump in after so much has been said. I only wanted to say that
> I've often had the problem Marie-Noelle describes (that is: performing a
> large selection of separate thumbnails from within a folder with many
> pictures) using Ctrl-clic but, wince I release Ctrl to scroll down,
> sometimes I'd miss the combination and loose my selection.
>
> This has reminded me of the single thing I miss from my ACDsee days under
> windows: the picture basket. It was (is?) a small panel under the
> thumbnails where I could drag&drop pictures creating thus a list. When I
> was done going through all pictures (which could belong to different
> albums), I applied whatever tag or modification to all at once. The great
> thing about it was that once in the basket, the selection wouldn't get away
> by accident. And I would only move to the basket as many images as I had on
> the screen at a given time, so no fear of losing anything when scrolling.
>
> I think that would be a great addition to digikam.

I agree. The basked sound great to me. Especially for tagging big junks of
images, it would be handy if the basket selection could be browsed, e.g. in
"Perview mode". That way, the consistency of the selection could be checked
easily.

>
> Nicolas
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Marie-Noëlle Augendre <
>
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> > 2013/11/24 jdd <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> Le 24/11/2013 20:40, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> >>  The daily division will be completely artificial...
> >>
> >> yes, but anyway you can't look at 1500 pictures at the same time..
> >
> > I don't have albums to look at all the pictures at the same time. They are
> > only (one of) the first level of my organisation; it is always possible to
> > refine a search using tags or other information.
> >
> >> but this begin to be out of scope, sorry
> >
> > No problem. It can be interesting to share experiences.
> > But as a former organizer, I'm rather keen on structuring data in relation
> > to the ways I will need to retrieve it; you own needs could be different
> > and/or you could prefer other solutions.
> >
> > Marie-Noëlle
> >
> >
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If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have the same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>

I agree. The basked sound great to me. Especially for tagging big junks of
images, it would be handy if the basket selection could be browsed, e.g. in
"Perview mode". That way, the consistency of the selection could be checked
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On Monday 25 November 2013 11:03:32 Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:
> If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have the
> same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.
>

This is exactly what I am thinking of. :-)

> Marie-Noëlle
>
>
> 2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>
>
> > I agree. The basked sound great to me. Especially for tagging big junks of
> > images, it would be handy if the basket selection could be browsed, e.g.
> > in
> > "Perview mode". That way, the consistency of the selection could be
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yes,

"Basket" feature is typically a Tags album only deditcated to workflow.

On my computer, before to implement Color labels i used few one :

- "TODO" (pending post processing of images already selected from a queue)

- "TOPRINT" (images to send to printing service)

- "TOEXPORT" (images to export on internet)

For each one i set a keyboard shortcut. When i make selection in icon view, i just press right keys, ... et voilà...

But since color label are implemented, just use right color dedicated to your workflow. Aperture for ex work like this (and i think LightRoom too). I'm more generic that a "Basket" virtual album and more versatile.

To review items, just use Pick labels dedicated for that.

Color Labels and Pick Labels have default keyboard shortcuts assigned. Both are internal tags, and are saved in files metadata...

Gilles Caulier

2013/11/25 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]>

If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have the same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>

I agree. The basked sound great to me. Especially for tagging big junks of
images, it would be handy if the basket selection could be browsed, e.g. in
"Perview mode". That way, the consistency of the selection could be checked
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Great minds, you know... ;-)

Marie-Noëlle

2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>

On Monday 25 November 2013 11:03:32 Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:
> If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have the
> same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.
>

This is exactly what I am thinking of. :-)

 

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On Monday 25 November 2013 11:14:14 Gilles Caulier wrote:

> yes,
>
> "Basket" feature is typically a Tags album only deditcated to workflow.
>
> On my computer, before to implement Color labels i used few one :
>
> - "TODO" (pending post processing of images already selected from a queue)
> - "TOPRINT" (images to send to printing service)
> - "TOEXPORT" (images to export on internet)
>
> For each one i set a keyboard shortcut. When i make selection in icon view,
> i just press right keys, ... et voilà...
>
> But since color label are implemented, just use right color dedicated to
> your workflow. Aperture for ex work like this (and i think LightRoom too).
> I'm more generic that a "Basket" virtual album and more versatile.

I guess this could work. Thanks for the tip, I give it a shot.

>
> To review items, just use Pick labels dedicated for that.
>
> Color Labels and Pick Labels have default keyboard shortcuts assigned. Both
> are internal tags, and are saved in files metadata...
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
>
> 2013/11/25 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]>
>
> > If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have
> > the same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.

@MN: I want to add "thank you" for putting it straight.

> >
> > Marie-Noëlle
> >
> >
> > 2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>
> >
> >> I agree. The basked sound great to me. Especially for tagging big junks
> >> of
> >> images, it would be handy if the basket selection could be browsed, e.g.
> >> in
> >> "Perview mode". That way, the consistency of the selection could be
> >> checked
> >> easily.
> >
> > --
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> > Retrouvez mon portfolio et mes activités dans ma galerie
> > personnelle<http://marie-noelle-augendre.com/photos/>, mes reportages sur
> > Jingoo <http://www.jingoo.com/mnaugendre/>
> > Et bien sûr la page Photographe en
> > Cévennes<http://www.facebook.com/PhotographeEnCevennes>sur FB, et mon
> > compte Twitter <http://twitter.com/MNAugendre>.
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2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>

>
> But since color label are implemented, just use right color dedicated to
> your workflow. Aperture for ex work like this (and i think LightRoom too).
> I'm more generic that a "Basket" virtual album and more versatile.

I guess this could work. Thanks for the tip, I give it a shot.

I just checked, and color and pick labels can be independantly excluded from the 'writing metadata to images'; otherwise, it could have slowed the process a lot.

Only thing that could be improved - my opinion - is the use of drag&drop instead of hot-keys; as typically, you are using the mouse when browsing/selecting and don't want to switch from mouse to keyboard and back all the time.

 

>
> > If it could be designed as some virtual/temporary album, you could have
> > the same functionalities as a 'classic' album, I think.

@MN: I want to add "thank you" for putting it straight.

You're welcome. I was just trying to think a bit further along the line. ;-)

 

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2013/11/25 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]>

2013/11/25 Wolfgang Mader <[hidden email]>

>
> But since color label are implemented, just use right color dedicated to
> your workflow. Aperture for ex work like this (and i think LightRoom too).
> I'm more generic that a "Basket" virtual album and more versatile.

I guess this could work. Thanks for the tip, I give it a shot.

I just checked, and color and pick labels can be independantly excluded from the 'writing metadata to images'; otherwise, it could have slowed the process a lot.

Only thing that could be improved - my opinion - is the use of drag&drop instead of hot-keys; as typically, you are using the mouse when browsing/selecting and don't want to switch from mouse to keyboard and back all the time.

D&D is not implemented for Labels, because there is no tree-view dedicated to show all contents from this internal tags (typically a new sub view in Tags view from left sidebar). There is a wish in bugzilla about :

 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160363

But i don't find time or a student to implement it.

Anyway, if you don't want to switch between mouse and keyboard, use contectual popup menu from icon view : Labels can be assigned here...

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2013/11/25 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>

D&D is not implemented for Labels, because there is no tree-view dedicated to show all contents from this internal tags (typically a new sub view in Tags view from left sidebar). There is a wish in bugzilla about :

 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160363

But i don't find time or a student to implement it.

I'll vote for it, for the future...

 

Anyway, if you don't want to switch between mouse and keyboard, use contectual popup menu from icon view : Labels can be assigned here...

Yes, I know. But it's not quicker than going to the keyboard. Or maybe it's only me: I've been used to keyboards for decades, and the mouse is much more recent. :-)

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[Photonoxx]

Alternatively, you could use mouse gesture to use Keyboards shortcut.

I personally use Easystroke for that (and for a lot of more things), very  
easy to set and very efficient.

I set some gesture for Digikam only (whose work only in the digikam  
windows), for rating 0,1,2,3,4 or 5 star, for going to next, previous  
picture, assign a label and potentially more.

The only matter now, is some digikam's internal shortcuts are already took  
by system (ubuntu 13.04 with unity), but I don't found where to inactivate  
the system's one.

Le Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:51:55 +0100, Marie-Noëlle Augendre  
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> 2013/11/25 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>
>
>>
>>
>> D&D is not implemented for Labels, because there is no tree-view  
>> dedicated
>> to show all contents from this internal tags (typically a new sub view  
>> in
>> Tags view from left sidebar). There is a wish in bugzilla about :
>>
>>  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160363
>>
>> But i don't find time or a student to implement it.
>>
>
> I'll vote for it, for the future...
>
>
>>
>> Anyway, if you don't want to switch between mouse and keyboard, use
>> contectual popup menu from icon view : Labels can be assigned here...
>>
>
> Yes, I know. But it's not quicker than going to the keyboard. Or maybe  
> it's
> only me: I've been used to keyboards for decades, and the mouse is much
> more recent. :-)
>
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>
>
>

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