Re: Installation on Win 10 - problem solved

[admin-3]

Hi Gilles,

I found the problem and a solution.

The problem appears to be a failure of the DigiKam Windows installer files.

None of the Windows installer files I tried worked.

The problems is possibly related to recent changes (Tues 11 Aug)  to Win 10 Pro Defender that also block other programs such as Citrix.

However, I overwrote the files in the  /Program Files/DigiKam/ directory using the file tree from the DigiKam Win64 tar.gz  file and the program started correctly.

Regards and thanks,
Terence


-----Original Message-----
From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2020 11:47 PM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10

Windows installer includes ALL requirements. It's a bundle.

All is installed fine with 7.0.0 64 bits under Windows 7 and Windows 10.

Best

Gilles Caulier

Le jeu. 13 août 2020 à 10:30, <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Hi, Gilles,
>
> Thank you for your fast reply!
>
> For antivirus/antimalware I’m using Malwarebytes + MS Defender.  There is nothing in the Malwarebytes logs or Windows Event viewer for Defender indicating either have blocked anything or found problems with anything.
>
> Wondering, do I have to install KDE or anything else first, or does DigiKam install all of its prerequisites?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
> Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2020 3:18 PM
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10
>
>
>
> Hi, it sound like a side effect of an anti-virus running in background
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
>
>
> Le jeu. 13 août 2020 à 08:08, <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I’m trying to install DigiKam on a Windows 10 desktop.
>
>
>
> I’ve tried DigiKam versions 7.0 and 6.4 and 64bit and 32bit and with and without administrator access without success.
>
>
>
> In each case, no interface appears.
>
> However,  I can see the instance running in the task manager.
>
>
>
> I’ve gone through the documentation several times but cannot see what I’m missing.
>
>
>
> I welcome any advice!
>
>
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Terence
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Send with Gmail Mobile

[Gilles Caulier-4]

Hi Terence,

I'm almost sure of a side effect from a security tool under Windows, as usual.

Thanks for the feedback.

Gilles Caulier

Le sam. 15 août 2020 à 10:28, <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Hi Gilles,
>
> I found the problem and a solution.
>
> The problem appears to be a failure of the DigiKam Windows installer files.
>
> None of the Windows installer files I tried worked.
>
> The problems is possibly related to recent changes (Tues 11 Aug)  to Win 10 Pro Defender that also block other programs such as Citrix.
>
> However, I overwrote the files in the  /Program Files/DigiKam/ directory using the file tree from the DigiKam Win64 tar.gz  file and the program started correctly.
>
> Regards and thanks,
> Terence
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
> Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2020 11:47 PM
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10
>
> Windows installer includes ALL requirements. It's a bundle.
>
> All is installed fine with 7.0.0 64 bits under Windows 7 and Windows 10.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> Le jeu. 13 août 2020 à 10:30, <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi, Gilles,
> >
> > Thank you for your fast reply!
> >
> > For antivirus/antimalware I’m using Malwarebytes + MS Defender.  There is nothing in the Malwarebytes logs or Windows Event viewer for Defender indicating either have blocked anything or found problems with anything.
> >
> > Wondering, do I have to install KDE or anything else first, or does DigiKam install all of its prerequisites?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
> > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2020 3:18 PM
> > To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, it sound like a side effect of an anti-virus running in background
> >
> >
> >
> > Best
> >
> >
> >
> > Gilles Caulier
> >
> >
> >
> > Le jeu. 13 août 2020 à 08:08, <[hidden email]> a écrit :
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m trying to install DigiKam on a Windows 10 desktop.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve tried DigiKam versions 7.0 and 6.4 and 64bit and 32bit and with and without administrator access without success.
> >
> >
> >
> > In each case, no interface appears.
> >
> > However,  I can see the instance running in the task manager.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve gone through the documentation several times but cannot see what I’m missing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I welcome any advice!
> >
> >
> >
> > Many thanks in advance,
> >
> >
> >
> > Terence
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Send with Gmail Mobile
>

[Stephen Leibowitz]

If other users have the same problem on Windows, they might try unblocking the downloaded installer before running it. See ZIP files should be “unblocked” before their contents are extracted. That article is about ZIP files, but the concept is the same for installer files.

While downloaded .tar.xz files are also marked as blocked, it is not necessary to unblock them. Windows itself cannot extract from .tar.xz . Instead, you would use a third-party program, such as 7-Zip or PeaZip. The third-party programs will ignore the block and not propagate the block tag to the extracted files.

I wrote a related post on a Krita forum about the file block issue, including a discussion about web content zones. It also references the Krita FAQ that says in part, “...or tell Microsoft Security Essentials to make an exception for Krita.” (In Windows 10, version 1703 and later, the Windows Defender app is part of the Windows Security.)
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[admin-3]

Thank you Stephen,

What you say makes good sense and aligns with my experiences of what happens when trying to install DigiKam - all the files install correctly, but Windows refuses to open them. It explains why it works to copy  over them with an identical extracted tar.gz version of the same code.

I'm puzzled the issue isn't reported more by users of DigiKam as it is so structural.

The problem for me was with Win 10 Pro. Perhaps  it doesn't apply to other Windows editions?

Best wishes and thanks again,
Terence



-----Original Message-----
From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Stephen Leibowitz
Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:39 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10 - problem solved

If other users have the same problem on Windows, they might try unblocking the downloaded installer before running it. See “ZIP files should be “unblocked” before their contents are extracted” at https://web.archive.org/web/20180809174548/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/delay/p/unblockingdownloadedfile/
. That article is about ZIP files, but the concept is the same for installer files.

I wrote a post on a Krita forum that also discusses the issue. See
https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=161647&p=420031#p420031 . It references the Krita FAQ which says in part, “...or tell Microsoft Security Essentials to make an exception for Krita.”

While downloaded .tar.xz files are also marked as blocked, it is not necessary to unblock them. Windows itself cannot extract from .tar.xz .
Instead, you would use a third-party program, such as 7-Zip or PeaZip. The third-party programs will ignore the block and not propagate the block tag to the extracted files.



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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Hi,

This Windows 10 problem is known. In fact Microsoft want to promote
the Store in fact the direct download installer. They want to
reproduce the Apple model here. So the Windows defender drop
automatically the executable installed from outside the Store.

Publishing digiKAm to the store is possible, as another KDE
application already do it, This require:

1 a computer with Windows 10 to compile whole code and dependencies.
2 the Microsoft compiler
3 a compilation workflow to compile whole dependencies and finally the
target for the store (it's only possible with the Microsoft SDK)
4 an account to upload and validate the application on the store.

All these stages are more and less ready for digiKam using the
Continuous Deployment from KDE infrastructure, but the compilation
workflow is still broken with Microsoft Windows compiler. In opposite,
the Continuous Integration with Microsoft compiler work as expected,
so it mostly a settings problem with the compiler used with the
Continuous deployment (which is different than the Continuous
Integration)

You must know that the whole digiKam Windows installer is cross
compiled under Linux with MXE. There is no Windows here. this prevent
virus and malware infection during this process.

Also using Linux is 1000 times more easy to program than Windows with
scripting. I hate to use Windows (and i must use it for development in
my office which is a waste of time).

Voilà for the technical details around Windows stuff and security
issue with Defender.

My best

Gilles Caulier

Le lun. 17 août 2020 à 02:14, <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Thank you Stephen,
>
> What you say makes good sense and aligns with my experiences of what happens when trying to install DigiKam - all the files install correctly, but Windows refuses to open them. It explains why it works to copy  over them with an identical extracted tar.gz version of the same code.
>
> I'm puzzled the issue isn't reported more by users of DigiKam as it is so structural.
>
> The problem for me was with Win 10 Pro. Perhaps  it doesn't apply to other Windows editions?
>
> Best wishes and thanks again,
> Terence
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Stephen Leibowitz
> Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10 - problem solved
>
> If other users have the same problem on Windows, they might try unblocking the downloaded installer before running it. See “ZIP files should be “unblocked” before their contents are extracted” at https://web.archive.org/web/20180809174548/https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/delay/p/unblockingdownloadedfile/
> . That article is about ZIP files, but the concept is the same for installer files.
>
> I wrote a post on a Krita forum that also discusses the issue. See
> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=161647&p=420031#p420031 . It references the Krita FAQ which says in part, “...or tell Microsoft Security Essentials to make an exception for Krita.”
>
> While downloaded .tar.xz files are also marked as blocked, it is not necessary to unblock them. Windows itself cannot extract from .tar.xz .
> Instead, you would use a third-party program, such as 7-Zip or PeaZip. The third-party programs will ignore the block and not propagate the block tag to the extracted files.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://digikam.1695700.n4.nabble.com/digikam-users-f1735189.html
>

[admin-3]

Hi Gilles,

Thanks to you and Stephen for your detailed explanations. It makes good sense now.

I'm looking forward to using DigiKam across Windows, Mac and Linux.

Best wishes,

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
Sent: Monday, 17 August 2020 3:58 PM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10 - problem solved

Hi,

This Windows 10 problem is known. In fact Microsoft want to promote the Store in fact the direct download installer. They want to reproduce the Apple model here. So the Windows defender drop automatically the executable installed from outside the Store.

Publishing digiKAm to the store is possible, as another KDE application already do it, This require:

1 a computer with Windows 10 to compile whole code and dependencies.
2 the Microsoft compiler
3 a compilation workflow to compile whole dependencies and finally the target for the store (it's only possible with the Microsoft SDK)
4 an account to upload and validate the application on the store.

All these stages are more and less ready for digiKam using the Continuous Deployment from KDE infrastructure, but the compilation workflow is still broken with Microsoft Windows compiler. In opposite, the Continuous Integration with Microsoft compiler work as expected, so it mostly a settings problem with the compiler used with the Continuous deployment (which is different than the Continuous
Integration)

You must know that the whole digiKam Windows installer is cross compiled under Linux with MXE. There is no Windows here. this prevent virus and malware infection during this process.

Also using Linux is 1000 times more easy to program than Windows with scripting. I hate to use Windows (and i must use it for development in my office which is a waste of time).

Voilà for the technical details around Windows stuff and security issue with Defender.

My best

Gilles Caulier

Le lun. 17 août 2020 à 02:14, <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
> Thank you Stephen,
>
> What you say makes good sense and aligns with my experiences of what happens when trying to install DigiKam - all the files install correctly, but Windows refuses to open them. It explains why it works to copy  over them with an identical extracted tar.gz version of the same code.
>
> I'm puzzled the issue isn't reported more by users of DigiKam as it is so structural.
>
> The problem for me was with Win 10 Pro. Perhaps  it doesn't apply to other Windows editions?
>
> Best wishes and thanks again,
> Terence
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Digikam-users <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of
> Stephen Leibowitz
> Sent: Sunday, 16 August 2020 9:39 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [digiKam-users] Installation on Win 10 - problem solved
>
> If other users have the same problem on Windows, they might try
> unblocking the downloaded installer before running it. See “ZIP files
> should be “unblocked” before their contents are extracted” at
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180809174548/https://blogs.msdn.microsof
> t.com/delay/p/unblockingdownloadedfile/
> . That article is about ZIP files, but the concept is the same for installer files.
>
> I wrote a post on a Krita forum that also discusses the issue. See
> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=161647&p=420031#p420031 . It references the Krita FAQ which says in part, “...or tell Microsoft Security Essentials to make an exception for Krita.”
>
> While downloaded .tar.xz files are also marked as blocked, it is not necessary to unblock them. Windows itself cannot extract from .tar.xz .
> Instead, you would use a third-party program, such as 7-Zip or PeaZip. The third-party programs will ignore the block and not propagate the block tag to the extracted files.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from:
> http://digikam.1695700.n4.nabble.com/digikam-users-f1735189.html
>