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People Tags - a practical question

Mick Sulley
I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to
tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets
married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then
have that tag on all pictures, past and future.

I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple
times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the moment:)

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Mick
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Simon Cropper-3
On 20/02/13 09:11, Mick Sulley wrote:

> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
> practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
> their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to
> tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets
> married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then
> have that tag on all pictures, past and future.
>
> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple
> times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the moment:)
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Mick
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Personally I tag people by their maiden names so regardless of how many
marriages they have you have a unique tag for that person.

Once they get married however, create a new separate tag for their
married name. So a woman that is married several times would have a
maiden name tag that is consistent over her life and a married name tag
for the period they are known by each subsequents husband's surname (if
that is the cultural norm).

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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Elle Stone
Simon, that is a brilliant way to handle a difficult tagging problem!


On 2/19/13, Simon Cropper <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 20/02/13 09:11, Mick Sulley wrote:
>> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
>> practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
>> their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to
>> tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets
>> married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then
>> have that tag on all pictures, past and future.
>>
>> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple
>> times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the
>> moment:)
>>
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mick
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> Personally I tag people by their maiden names so regardless of how many
> marriages they have you have a unique tag for that person.
>
> Once they get married however, create a new separate tag for their
> married name. So a woman that is married several times would have a
> maiden name tag that is consistent over her life and a married name tag
> for the period they are known by each subsequents husband's surname (if
> that is the cultural norm).
>
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>
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Mick Sulley
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So in my example I would have early pics with her tagged as Mary Jones,
then married pics with her tagged Mary Jones and Mary Smith?

On 19/02/13 22:27, Simon Cropper wrote:

> On 20/02/13 09:11, Mick Sulley wrote:
>> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
>> practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
>> their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to
>> tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets
>> married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then
>> have that tag on all pictures, past and future.
>>
>> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple
>> times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the
>> moment:)
>>
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mick
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>> [hidden email]
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>
> Personally I tag people by their maiden names so regardless of how
> many marriages they have you have a unique tag for that person.
>
> Once they get married however, create a new separate tag for their
> married name. So a woman that is married several times would have a
> maiden name tag that is consistent over her life and a married name
> tag for the period they are known by each subsequents husband's
> surname (if that is the cultural norm).
>
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Peter Mc Donough
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Am 19.02.2013 23:11, schrieb Mick Sulley:
[...]

What about subtags, which could cover several divorces as well;-)

e.g.

Mary Smith
   |
    married Jones
   |
    married Copper

Digikam handles extended searches nicely.

cu
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Simon Cropper-3
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On 20/02/13 10:13, Mick Sulley wrote:
> So in my example I would have early pics with her tagged as Mary Jones,
> then married pics with her tagged Mary Jones and Mary Smith?

Yep, and if she divorced Mr. Smith and remarried Mr. Sulley then the
pics with her at that time would be tagged Mary Jones and Mary Sulley.
If perchance polyandry is culturally accepted and she is married to Mr.
Smith and Mr. Sulley at the same time, then all three tags would be set.

>
> On 19/02/13 22:27, Simon Cropper wrote:
>> On 20/02/13 09:11, Mick Sulley wrote:
>>> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
>>> practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
>>> their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to
>>> tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets
>>> married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then
>>> have that tag on all pictures, past and future.
>>>
>>> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple
>>> times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the
>>> moment:)
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Mick
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Digikam-users mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users
>>
>> Personally I tag people by their maiden names so regardless of how
>> many marriages they have you have a unique tag for that person.
>>
>> Once they get married however, create a new separate tag for their
>> married name. So a woman that is married several times would have a
>> maiden name tag that is consistent over her life and a married name
>> tag for the period they are known by each subsequents husband's
>> surname (if that is the cultural norm).
>>
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Mick Sulley
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Brilliant!!  This package just gets better!

On 19/02/13 23:19, Peter Mc Donough wrote:

> Am 19.02.2013 23:11, schrieb Mick Sulley:
> [...]
>
> What about subtags, which could cover several divorces as well;-)
>
> e.g.
>
> Mary Smith
>   |
>    married Jones
>   |
>    married Copper
>
> Digikam handles extended searches nicely.
>
> cu
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Simon Cropper-3
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On 20/02/13 10:19, Peter Mc Donough wrote:

> Am 19.02.2013 23:11, schrieb Mick Sulley:
> [...]
>
> What about subtags, which could cover several divorces as well;-)
>
> e.g.
>
> Mary Smith
>    |
>     married Jones
>    |
>     married Copper
>
> Digikam handles extended searches nicely.
>
> cu
> Peter
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If I was to do it this way, the parent node would be the birth name and
the children (leaves) a list of all legitimate names with only those
that are relevant to the picture checked.

Mary Smith
     |
      Mary Jones
     |
      Mary Copper

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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Jean-François Rabasse
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Hi Mick,

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Mick Sulley wrote:

> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a practical
> question.  Many of the females have married and so changed their names.  How
> do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is to tag as Mary
> Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until she gets married, then I
> edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she would then have that tag on all
> pictures, past and future.
>
> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married multiple times,
> but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not at the moment:)

As far as I remember, Elizabeth Taylor got married 7 times, and husbands
n° 5 and n° 7 were the same, Richard Burton.

In that case you would get Elizabeth Taylor(Burton 1) and
Elizabeth Taylor(Burton 2) ! Or, as in TV series, Season 1 and Season 2.

I am joking :-)

The suggestion from Peter, using subtags, looks quite fair.

On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Peter Mc Donough wrote:

> What about subtags, which could cover several divorces as well;-)
>
> e.g.
>
> Mary Smith
>  |
>   married Jones
>  |
>   married Copper

Pleasant solution because it reflects the reality from a data model
point of view. A person has one and only one birth name, but can get
married or divorced several times. And this tags model allows each tag
to have several subtags, but each subtag has one and only one parent tag.

Perhaps it could be interesting to swap first name and name, e.g.
  Person/Smith/Mary
  Person/Smith/Mary/Jones
  Person/Smith/Mary/Copper
  etc.

The day you add Mary's brother,
  Person/Smith/Peter

Your ancestor tag Person/Smith reflects also the Smith family.

Regards,
Jean-François

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Mick Sulley
Thankfully I don't have any pictures of Elizabeth Taylor:)

I do have a desire to somehow link all this in to my genealogy database,
which I keep on my local sever with geneweb.  No idea how to do it yet,
needs further thought!

Mick

On 20/02/13 08:02, Jean-François Rabasse wrote:

>
> Hi Mick,
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013, Mick Sulley wrote:
>
>> I am just starting to add people tags and immediately it raises a
>> practical question.  Many of the females have married and so changed
>> their names.  How do you guys deal with this?  My current thought is
>> to tag as Mary Smith(Jones), so Mary Jones is tagged as such until
>> she gets married, then I edit the tag to be Mary Smith(Jones) so she
>> would then have that tag on all pictures, past and future.
>>
>> I guess this becomes a bit cumbersome when someone is married
>> multiple times, but luckily I don't have that problem, at least not
>> at the moment:)
>
> As far as I remember, Elizabeth Taylor got married 7 times, and husbands
> n° 5 and n° 7 were the same, Richard Burton.
>
> In that case you would get Elizabeth Taylor(Burton 1) and
> Elizabeth Taylor(Burton 2) ! Or, as in TV series, Season 1 and Season 2.
>
> I am joking :-)
>
> The suggestion from Peter, using subtags, looks quite fair.
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Peter Mc Donough wrote:
>
>> What about subtags, which could cover several divorces as well;-)
>>
>> e.g.
>>
>> Mary Smith
>>  |
>>   married Jones
>>  |
>>   married Copper
>
> Pleasant solution because it reflects the reality from a data model
> point of view. A person has one and only one birth name, but can get
> married or divorced several times. And this tags model allows each tag
> to have several subtags, but each subtag has one and only one parent tag.
>
> Perhaps it could be interesting to swap first name and name, e.g.
>  Person/Smith/Mary
>  Person/Smith/Mary/Jones
>  Person/Smith/Mary/Copper
>  etc.
>
> The day you add Mary's brother,
>  Person/Smith/Peter
>
> Your ancestor tag Person/Smith reflects also the Smith family.
>
> Regards,
> Jean-François
>
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Re: People Tags - a practical question

Boudewijn

Hi,

 

I'm new on the list, while following it for a while and using DK for years. Thanks all involved!

 

On Wednesday 20 February 2013 09:58:40 Mick Sulley wrote:

> Thankfully I don't have any pictures of Elizabeth Taylor:)

>

> I do have a desire to somehow link all this in to my genealogy database,

> which I keep on my local sever with geneweb. No idea how to do it yet,

> needs further thought!

 

I have been looking into exposing the metadata via FUSE; that is: tried to find out what has been done before.

I don't have my notes at hand. From my bare, momentarily hazy memory: someone made it possible via a mono-binding, but the project is not active anymore and someone in the chain cleaned up his university page, leaving no trace of code.

 

My goal was to use it in combination with minidlna, so that I could (finally) browse my images by tag on the television. I imagine your genealogy database could do something with file/directory-structures as well.

 

There I remember it again: digikamfs, preceeded by digikamtags:/ https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/2006-September/002027.html

 

Best regards,

 

Boudewijn


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