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Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Dr. Ing. Dieter Jurzitza
Dear listmembers,
currently I am facing a strange behaviour of a new camera I bought. With my
old camera (Casio Exilim) I can read images, download images, delete images
whatever I like in both PTP and USB Storage Device mode.

However, with the new Panasonic Camera I cannot delete the images on the SD-
Card from within Digikam.

I thought it might be related to the somewhat old version of openSUSE 10.3 I
am using. However, connecting to a more recent openSUSE 11.1 system I found
the very same dependency. Pictures may be downloaded, visualized, whatever but
cannot be deleted. It does not matter whether the camera is operated in PTP-
mode or in USB Storage Device mode.

This is nothing user dependent, root cannot do this as well, this must be an
issue with the camera (and, no, the write protection of the SD-device is not
activated)

Any Ideas how to get around this? Anybody aware of this issue?

Thank you very much for your time,
take care





Dieter Jurzitza

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Re: Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Bruce Marshall
On Saturday 18 July 2009, Dr. Ing. Dieter Jurzitza wrote:
> This is nothing user dependent, root cannot do this as well, this must be
> an issue with the camera (and, no, the write protection of the SD-device is
> not activated)
>
> Any Ideas how to get around this? Anybody aware of this issue?
>
> Thank you very much for your time,
> take care

I have this very same camera....   but have been using a card reader to
process the pictures into DK.  

I will try this using the cable.

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Re: Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Bruce Marshall
On Saturday 18 July 2009, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > Any Ideas how to get around this? Anybody aware of this issue?
> >
> > Thank you very much for your time,
> > take care
>
> I have this very same camera....   but have been using a card reader to
> process the pictures into DK.  
>
> I will try this using the cable.

Mixed results.  

The first time I connected with the cable, I was able to download the pictures
from the TMZ5 and then I asked to delete them.  Everything appeared normal, it
asked whether I really wanted to delete them and I accepted 'yes'.

But after disconnecting the camera (not all the rapidly) I still found the
pics on the camera.

Ok, I reconnected the camera....  but had a very hard time getting DK to see
it again.  I would select Import....  and USB storage devices and it would
show the TMZ5, but clicking on the TMZ5 would do nothing.  But I finally got
it to show me the two pictures again after many attempts, and I selected to
delete them, and it *did* delete them.

I took more pictures, and went through the entire download, and delete
sequence again  and it did delete them.

To make a long story short, this camera (or DK,  or Kubuntu 9.04) has a hard
time connecting.  But I did get it to connect, and went through the entire
sequence.  So I don't think it is entirely the fault of the camera.   I can't
tell where the fault lies.

I do know that connecting cameras to DK hasn't been a lot of fun since about
version .8  which is why I have switched to just using card RDR's.   Add in
the fact that the TMZ5 uses a very non-standard cable,  and that's another
reason not to use the cable.

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Re: Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Dr. Ing. Dieter Jurzitza
Dear listmembers,
dear Bruce,
at the very first point: thank you for taking your time to look into this and
to check so thoroughly.

I understand your point but I simply have another one: I've got my wife use
digikam and she's happy with this. And she did that for several years now. If
I tell her now, well, we have got a new camera but you'll have to fiddle
around and remove that tiny card and put it - well, next issue, my PC has no
SD-card slot at all - see my problem?

I had mentioned something similar on this list some years ago: the user will
not ask for reasons why something does work on M$ and does not work on linux
(or unix  or whichever OS). The user will tell you: it has been proven to to
work, so if you want me to use this, make it work (not trying to force anyone
into any action, please do not take me wrong).

So, in further contrast to your Ubuntu findings I can tell for openSUSE that
the behaviour is very consistent between 3 PC's and 2 OS-versions (10.3 &
11.1).

Reading & downloading, viewing - no issue - deleting (and highly probably
writing) - nope.

Any  ideas are very welcome, if I can provide any debug logs - just let me
know (and tell me how to do it!)
thanks again




Dieter Jurzitza

Am Sonntag 19 Juli 2009 00:35:23 schrieb Bruce Marshall:

> On Saturday 18 July 2009, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > > Any Ideas how to get around this? Anybody aware of this issue?
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for your time,
> > > take care
> >
> > I have this very same camera....   but have been using a card reader to
> > process the pictures into DK.
> >
> > I will try this using the cable.
>
> Mixed results.
>
> The first time I connected with the cable, I was able to download the
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Re: Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Bruce Marshall
On Sunday 19 July 2009, Dr. Ing. Dieter Jurzitza wrote:
> I understand your point but I simply have another one: I've got my wife use
> digikam and she's happy with this. And she did that for several years now.
> If I tell her now, well, we have got a new camera but you'll have to fiddle
> around and remove that tiny card and put it - well, next issue, my PC has
> no SD-card slot at all - see my problem?

What can I say?   My wife has been using DK for 7 years now, and when I got
her the TMZ5  about 8 months ago...   and I saw once again yet another non-
standard USB cable (her Nikon Coolpix also used a mini-usb but even that was
more standard), I gave her a card reader (they are cheap) and showed her how
to put the SD card into it.   She is no expert, but didn't have a problem with
it.

I agree, in a perfect world, things should work, but even in M$, things don't
often work and we must find a way around that.

I also think that teaching her to format the SD card in the camera would be
one way to solve this problem and maybe the best way, even if things work.  I
have sometimes seen CF cards and others develop formatting problems after many
downloads and deletions under linux....   and so I now do my downloads...  put
the cards back in the camera, and format the cards in the camera as a method
of deleting the downloaded pictures.  Have not had a problem since.

Just my two cents.

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Re: Panasonic DMC-TZ5

Vlado Plaga
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Am Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:06:27 +0200
schrieb "Dr. Ing. Dieter Jurzitza" <[hidden email]>:

> However, with the new Panasonic Camera I cannot delete the images on
> the SD- Card from within Digikam.

This is not a bug - it's a feature. ;-)

I have the same camera and also found it annoying at first. But if you
look at the instructions, you will see that only in P2P mode it is
supposed to be possible to delete pictures off the camera from a PC,
and according to the manual this only works with Windows Vista. You
could switch to Vista, but with that system's bad reputation I think
it is less of a hassle to use the camera's build-in delete functions or
a card reader...

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