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On Live USB, Virtual Box

Paul Verizzo
Without repeating the whole darned thread, here are my additional thoughts.

Live USB:  It' still a dual boot scenario.  My limited experience with Knoppix on USB shows it is vastly slower than running it off of the CD, which is vastly slower than running from a hard drive, of course.  My experience shows Virtual Box to have no glaringly obvious speed differences compared to native.  One reason might be the default RAM allocated in VB is rather small, 300-500kb.  I set all VB installations at 1 GB or better, especially since I want to run a certain graphics program on it.

I have Ubuntu Wubi on my NTFS partition as my dual boot.  Too bad there aren't other distros that do this.  (Corel Linux did, way way back.)

Puppy Linux on DVD will let you write program changes back to the disc.  Pretty sweet.  Unfortunately, dK isn't one of the repository apps but I would guess that someone here knows how to do it if they were so inclined.

I've been re-re-reading the VB instructions about the Guest Additions, and more particularly, the Shared Folder function.  Boy, what a morass!  You aren't done after installation of GA, back to the terminal. The "folders," drives actually, are in /media.  OK, but then they are locked out unless you right click and change sharing.  Uses my Windows username and password!  Then Nautlus asks to update things.  Well, OK, why not? Then I sent the drive to the desktop, but the icon there won't open the drive although it did from /media.  The warning has a typical cryptic linux terminal instruction to correct this.  Meanwhile, when I try to set up digiKam, I can set my D drive as the source for the photos (3 folders within), but I can't open up the directory tree of my C drive to locate the database, where I keep it. 

If I was smart, I'd just be happy with dK 2.0 on Windows (thanks, Giles!). 

Paul





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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box. dK 2.0 for windows

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I like digiKam 2.0 for windows. It works fine.

I hope new builds of dK will also be compiled for windows, I think we are much dummies enough.

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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

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Op 02-09-11 13:58, Paul Verizzo schreef:
Without repeating the whole darned thread, here are my additional thoughts.

Live USB:  It' still a dual boot scenario.  My limited experience with Knoppix on USB shows it is vastly slower than running it off of the CD, which is vastly slower than running from a hard drive, of course.  My experience shows Virtual Box to have no glaringly obvious speed differences compared to native.  One reason might be the default RAM allocated in VB is rather small, 300-500kb.  I set all VB installations at 1 GB or better, especially since I want to run a certain graphics program on it.

I have Ubuntu Wubi on my NTFS partition as my dual boot.  Too bad there aren't other distros that do this.  (Corel Linux did, way way back.)

Puppy Linux on DVD will let you write program changes back to the disc.  Pretty sweet.  Unfortunately, dK isn't one of the repository apps but I would guess that someone here knows how to do it if they were so inclined.

I've been re-re-reading the VB instructions about the Guest Additions, and more particularly, the Shared Folder function.  Boy, what a morass!  You aren't done after installation of GA, back to the terminal. The "folders," drives actually, are in /media.  OK, but then they are locked out unless you right click and change sharing.  Uses my Windows username and password!  Then Nautlus asks to update things.  Well, OK, why not? Then I sent the drive to the desktop, but the icon there won't open the drive although it did from /media.  The warning has a typical cryptic linux terminal instruction to correct this.  Meanwhile, when I try to set up digiKam, I can set my D drive as the source for the photos (3 folders within), but I can't open up the directory tree of my C drive to locate the database, where I keep it. 
Despite this message it is not clear to me if you finaly succeeded or not. I can not understand why your c-drive should not be mounted in Ubuntu. Or did you not have read my latest guide at the time you wrote this down?
Rinus


If I was smart, I'd just be happy with dK 2.0 on Windows (thanks, Giles!). 

Paul




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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

jdd@dodin.org
I verified that digikam is *not* present on standard opensuse live cd/dvd

so I used suse studio to build appliances for us.

I build kde4 with digikam, gimp and some other programms. You can find
them on susestudio but easier here:

http://dodin.org/~jdd/opensuse/

instruction on howto write them here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick#Install_ImageWriter

be warned that this was not tested. It's a half an hour work...

You will find:

* an "oem" version, right to be written on an usb stick or used as
hard drive (use dd for writing)

* a VMware/virtualbox disk (vmx) ready for use in these applications,

*  an "iso" that should be written to an usb flash disk or used as live cd

All this should give a working openSUSE version.

of course no photos are on the support. DigiKam is standard openSUSE
version 1.8, I can load the compiled version, but this is much more
work and wont be done soon

I build 32 bits appliances to make them usable anywhere.

virtual machines are build for 512Mo ram, not much, but you can change
this easily

any report welcome :-)

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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

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Op 02-09-11 13:58, Paul Verizzo schreef:
Without repeating the whole darned thread, here are my additional thoughts.

Live USB:  It' still a dual boot scenario.  My limited experience with Knoppix on USB shows it is vastly slower than running it off of the CD, which is vastly slower than running from a hard drive, of course.  My experience shows Virtual Box to have no glaringly obvious speed differences compared to native.  One reason might be the default RAM allocated in VB is rather small, 300-500kb.  I set all VB installations at 1 GB or better, especially since I want to run a certain graphics program on it.

I have Ubuntu Wubi on my NTFS partition as my dual boot.  Too bad there aren't other distros that do this.  (Corel Linux did, way way back.)

Puppy Linux on DVD will let you write program changes back to the disc.  Pretty sweet.  Unfortunately, dK isn't one of the repository apps but I would guess that someone here knows how to do it if they were so inclined.

I've been re-re-reading the VB instructions about the Guest Additions, and more particularly, the Shared Folder function.  Boy, what a morass!  You aren't done after installation of GA, back to the terminal. The "folders," drives actually, are in /media. 
You are at the wrong place. Everything you see under media you should leave alone. The magic happens in mnt, exactly as I described. Follow it point for point and it must work.

Rinus

OK, but then they are locked out unless you right click and change sharing.  Uses my Windows username and password!  Then Nautlus asks to update things.  Well, OK, why not? Then I sent the drive to the desktop, but the icon there won't open the drive although it did from /media.  The warning has a typical cryptic linux terminal instruction to correct this.  Meanwhile, when I try to set up digiKam, I can set my D drive as the source for the photos (3 folders within), but I can't open up the directory tree of my C drive to locate the database, where I keep it. 

If I was smart, I'd just be happy with dK 2.0 on Windows (thanks, Giles!). 

Paul




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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

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Great job, Thanks!
I will try it out AND report back.
Best regards,
Rinus
Op 02-09-11 19:11, jdd schreef:

> I verified that digikam is *not* present on standard opensuse live cd/dvd
>
> so I used suse studio to build appliances for us.
>
> I build kde4 with digikam, gimp and some other programms. You can find
> them on susestudio but easier here:
>
> http://dodin.org/~jdd/opensuse/
>
> instruction on howto write them here:
> http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick#Install_ImageWriter
>
> be warned that this was not tested. It's a half an hour work...
>
> You will find:
>
> * an "oem" version, right to be written on an usb stick or used as
> hard drive (use dd for writing)
>
> * a VMware/virtualbox disk (vmx) ready for use in these applications,
>
> *  an "iso" that should be written to an usb flash disk or used as
> live cd
>
> All this should give a working openSUSE version.
>
> of course no photos are on the support. DigiKam is standard openSUSE
> version 1.8, I can load the compiled version, but this is much more
> work and wont be done soon
>
> I build 32 bits appliances to make them usable anywhere.
>
> virtual machines are build for 512Mo ram, not much, but you can change
> this easily
>
> any report welcome :-)
>
> jdd

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Rinus
Hi Jdd,

Op 02-09-11 20:50, sleepless schreef:
> Great job, Thanks!
> I will try it out AND report back.
Well the time has come.
I gave up completely on VM as you can see in my other message.

> Best regards,
> Rinus
> Op 02-09-11 19:11, jdd schreef:
>> I verified that digikam is *not* present on standard opensuse live
>> cd/dvd
>>
>> so I used suse studio to build appliances for us.
>>
>> I build kde4 with digikam, gimp and some other programms. You can
>> find them on susestudio but easier here:
>>
>> http://dodin.org/~jdd/opensuse/
>>
>> instruction on howto write them here:
>> http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick#Install_ImageWriter
>>
>> be warned that this was not tested. It's a half an hour work...
>>
>> You will find:
>>

>> * a VMware/virtualbox disk (vmx) ready for use in these applications,
This is not going to work in oracle virtual box 4.1.2, running on a
windows 7 platform running on an hp amd64 laptop
Not possible to mount a drive, so you are stuck to your virtual drive.
>>
>> *  an "iso" that should be written to an usb flash disk or used as
>> live cd
This one I have tried to make a bootable cd from, following all the
procedures from Ubuntu as well as from windows but no luck. Apperently I
should have used the other image.
>>
>> * an "oem" version, right to be written on an usb stick or used as
>> hard drive (use dd for writing)
>>
So I tried this one. And miraculously, I restarted the laptop and yes
there it was, opensuse. I tried if there was a way to mount existing
harddrives, after all they are shown in filemanager.
But with every click on the mouse it reads from USB so that,s going to
take sometime and in the meantime it let my video fan run so fast that I
could have baked a good english breakfast with bacon and eggs on the
laptop, and even though I did not, it started to smell so badly that I
had to turn it off before it burned down.

My conclusion:
It may work, if you know what you are doing, and you realy need it to
have that way but it looks to me far from an ideal setup.

Thanks to jdd who made the experiments possible by sharing this images
and although it is not usefull to me it is might be a great service to
others if jdd keeps it sharing,

Regards,
Rinus



>> All this should give a working openSUSE version.
>>
>> of course no photos are on the support. DigiKam is standard openSUSE
>> version 1.8, I can load the compiled version, but this is much more
>> work and wont be done soon
>>
>> I build 32 bits appliances to make them usable anywhere.
>>
>> virtual machines are build for 512Mo ram, not much, but you can
>> change this easily
>>
>> any report welcome :-)
>>
>> jdd
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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

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Le 06/09/2011 18:57, sleepless a écrit :

> I gave up completely on VM as you can see in my other message.

you should not! It's far the simpler

>>> * a VMware/virtualbox disk (vmx) ready for use in these applications,
> This is not going to work in oracle virtual box 4.1.2, running on a
> windows 7 platform running on an hp amd64 laptop
> Not possible to mount a drive, so you are stuck to your virtual drive.

* first it's a virtual disk, you just have to choose it in the virtual
parameters when creating a new Virtual machine (when choosing a disk,
existing disk, point to the vmdk)and you should be able to boot it.
It's 32bit image, bootable anywhere. Did you see the files I post are
archives, you need to extract the real file from them. Just tested, it
works.df

> This one I have tried to make a bootable cd from

not necessary.
Choose any virtual appliance (be it windows or linux doesn't matter)
and in the parameters select the iso as cdrom, them boot on it
(settings, storage...) if necessary, press F12 (but usually it's not
necessary), you boot the cd image. This I tested just now, without
problem.

>>> * an "oem" version, right to be written on an usb stick or used as
>>> hard drive (use dd for writing)
>>>
> So I tried this one. And miraculously, I restarted the laptop and yes
> there it was, opensuse. I tried if there was a way to mount existing
> harddrives, after all they are shown in filemanager.
> But with every click on the mouse it reads from USB so that,s going to
> take sometime and in the meantime it let my video fan run so fast that
> I could have baked a good english breakfast with bacon and eggs on the
> laptop, and even though I did not, it started to smell so badly that I
> had to turn it off before it burned down.

I never had such problem with any laptop. Make sure your setup is good
at the bios level. Anyway, no laptop should overheat when working full
speed.

mounting the hard drive.
My images probably don't have the guest additions (my fault). You can
probably install them (not tested), or mount your hard drive like any
remote network disk (nfs). Installing the guest additions is not very
easy, I will try it

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Re: On Live USB, Virtual Box

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Le 06/09/2011 23:18, jdd a écrit :

> remote network disk (nfs). Installing the guest additions is not very
> easy, I will try it

in fact, nothing difficult at least for the vmdk virtual disk: use
yast to install the guest additions and you can create the shared
drive and mount it.

Create it with the GUI, mount it with as root:

mount -t vboxsf sharename mountpoint

(as indicated in the help file under shared folders, manual mounting

then you can add it in fstab

I have to try to add it, but as I soon go to the openSUSE Conference,
I don't know if I will be able to make it soon

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Have a good time at the opensuse conference and we can have a deeper look in the matter afterwards.
Rinus

jdd <[hidden email]>schreef:

>Le 06/09/2011 23:18, jdd a écrit :
>
>> remote network disk (nfs). Installing the guest additions is not very
>> easy, I will try it
>
>in fact, nothing difficult at least for the vmdk virtual disk: use
>yast to install the guest additions and you can create the shared
>drive and mount it.
>
>Create it with the GUI, mount it with as root:
>
>mount -t vboxsf sharename mountpoint
>
>(as indicated in the help file under shared folders, manual mounting
>
>then you can add it in fstab
>
>I have to try to add it, but as I soon go to the openSUSE Conference,
>I don't know if I will be able to make it soon
>
>jdd
>
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