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Hi folks,
Currently the two lists, digikam-devel and digikam-users have a severe amount of material backed up in their list moderation queues (the most of any kde.org mailing list actually). Can someone please moderate the list, or a new moderator be chosen to moderate it? Thanks, Ben Cooksley KDE Sysadmin _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi lists,
Based on the previous lack of response to my email, I have determined these two mailing lists (digikam-devel and digikam-users) to be inactive. As such, they will be deleted unless no objections are raised inside the next 48 hours. Regards, Ben Cooksley KDE Sysadmin _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi Gilles,
No, I am not crazy. Currently both digikam-devel and digikam-users have very large moderation queues of 55 and 152 messages respectively. All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to perform the very small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a brief look myself, there is legitimate messages that have never seen the list as they are stuck in moderation for both lists. Any volunteers? Regards, Ben Cooksley KDE Sysadmin _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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In reply to this post by Ben Cooksley
Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley:
---- > All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to perform the very > small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a brief look > myself, there is legitimate messages that have never seen the list as > they are stuck in moderation for both lists. > > Any volunteers? > > Regards, > Ben Cooksley > KDE Sysadmin I'd be honored to do it - but there are sometimes fairly long periods when I don't have access to the internet, or even things like electricity etc. This is mostly during June-August but can also happen in March-April. Maybe I can suggest Rinus, Marie Noelle, Jonas Norlander or Jim Junk; they seem quite active on the lists. Best regards, Sveinn í Felli _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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In reply to this post by Ben Cooksley
I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate mailing list.
developer are already very busy to manage code and bugzilla. No need to overload developer with something not relevant of source code.
This job can be easily assign to non developer. Thanks in advance for your help... Gilles Caulier 2011/11/10 Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email]> Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley: _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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For the moment I've flushed the queue, that's why many old messages
reached the list. I've also banned some spammers, like a phone provider :-/ I'm not even subscribed to the users list, so if anyone of the mentioned persons want to jump in the boat contact me or Gilles, we will send you what's needed. TIA, - Francesco R. On 11/10/11 12:26, Gilles Caulier wrote: > I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate mailing list. > > developer are already very busy to manage code and bugzilla. No need to > overload developer with something not relevant of source code. > > This job can be easily assign to non developer. > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > Gilles Caulier > > 2011/11/10 Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley: > ---- > > All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to perform > the very > small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a brief look > myself, there is legitimate messages that have never seen the > list as > they are stuck in moderation for both lists. > > Any volunteers? > I'd be honored to do it - but there are sometimes fairly long > periods when I don't have access to the internet, or even things > like electricity etc. > This is mostly during June-August but can also happen in March-April. > > Maybe I can suggest Rinus, Marie Noelle, Jonas Norlander or Jim > Junk; they seem quite active on the lists. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Well, I can certainly moderate the users list (not the developer, though, as I don't read it).
From time to time, my internet connection can become a bit hectic, but that doesn't exceed a few days, usually. Let me know if that's what you want, and how it has to be done. Marie-Noëlle 2011/11/10 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate mailing list. -- Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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We could also switch to a forum, instead of the "traditonal" mailing-lists. Scribus did it a few months ago http://forums.scribus.net/index.php? and that brought new functionalities.
Marie-Noëlle 2011/11/10 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]> Well, I can certainly moderate the users list (not the developer, though, as I don't read it). -- Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Marie-Noëlle Augendre
<[hidden email]> wrote: > 2011/11/10 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email]> >> >> Well, I can certainly moderate the users list (not the developer, though, >> as I don't read it). >> From time to time, my internet connection can become a bit hectic, but >> that doesn't exceed a few days, usually. >> >> Let me know if that's what you want, and how it has to be done. >> >> Marie-Noëlle >> >> >> 2011/11/10 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> >>> >>> I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate mailing list. >>> developer are already very busy to manage code and bugzilla. No need to >>> overload developer with something not relevant of source code. >>> This job can be easily assign to non developer. >>> Thanks in advance for your help... >>> Gilles Caulier >>> 2011/11/10 Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley: >>>> ---- >>>>> >>>>> All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to perform the very >>>>> small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a brief look >>>>> myself, there is legitimate messages that have never seen the list as >>>>> they are stuck in moderation for both lists. >>>>> >>>>> Any volunteers? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Ben Cooksley >>>>> KDE Sysadmin >>>> >>>> I'd be honored to do it - but there are sometimes fairly long periods >>>> when I don't have access to the internet, or even things like electricity >>>> etc. >>>> This is mostly during June-August but can also happen in March-April. >>>> >>>> Maybe I can suggest Rinus, Marie Noelle, Jonas Norlander or Jim Junk; >>>> they seem quite active on the lists. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Sveinn í Felli >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Digikam-devel mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-devel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Digikam-users mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe >> >> Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles >> >> Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale >> > We could also switch to a forum, instead of the "traditonal" mailing-lists. > Scribus did it a few months ago http://forums.scribus.net/index.php? and > that brought new functionalities. > > Marie-Noëlle > It would probably be better to set up a sub-forum in the KDE forums. A few years back Amarok removed their own forum and merged it with the KDE forums. It worked very well, they even have their own structure with topic and language-specific sub-forums. If you want a forum you should get in touch with the KDE forums staff to get it set up. In fact it would probably be a good idea even if you don't get rid of the mailing list. -Todd _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Why do you think it'll be better to have it in the KDE forums?
Not all Digikamers are KDE users. Some are under Windows or Mac; and even if I use Digikam with Linux, I don't "use" KDE and know nothing about it, and it might be the case for plenty of Ubuntu users for example. Digikam has its own website; it could host its own users forum, too. Marie-Noëlle 2011/11/10 todd rme <[hidden email]>
-- Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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I do think a forum would be a good idea as it is generally much easier
to search for known problems than in a mailing list where folks maybe wont ask because they're worried about being seen as a nuisance. I dont see why it being part of the KDE forums would be a problem as it would be a completely self contained sub-forum structure. Seems to me that digikam is so intertwined with KDE that it's the logical place to put it, if you dont use KDE per se then dont look at the rest of the KDE stuff. Just my 10 cents worth.... Stuart On 10/11/11 15:38, Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote: > Why do you think it'll be better to have it in the KDE forums? > > Not all Digikamers are KDE users. Some are under Windows or Mac; and > even if I use Digikam with Linux, I don't "use" KDE and know nothing > about it, and it might be the case for plenty of Ubuntu users for example. > Digikam has its own website; it could host its own users forum, too. > > Marie-Noëlle > > > 2011/11/10 todd rme <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > > > It would probably be better to set up a sub-forum in the KDE forums. > A few years back Amarok removed their own forum and merged it with the > KDE forums. It worked very well, they even have their own structure > with topic and language-specific sub-forums. If you want a forum you > should get in touch with the KDE forums staff to get it set up. In > fact it would probably be a good idea even if you don't get rid of the > mailing list. > > -Todd > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > > > > > -- > Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe > <http://www.webmaster-en-herbe.net/> > > Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles > <http://www.cevennes-plurielles.com/> > > Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale > <http://www.marie-noelle-augendre.com/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users -- Website: http://www.stella-maris.org.uk or: http://www.broadstairs.org _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Good idea. I really think a forum would come in handy.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Stuart T Rogers <[hidden email]> wrote: I do think a forum would be a good idea as it is generally much easier to search for known problems than in a mailing list where folks maybe wont ask because they're worried about being seen as a nuisance. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Thursday 10 November 2011 14:06:40 Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:
> Well, I can certainly moderate the users list (not the developer, though, > as I don't read it). > From time to time, my internet connection can become a bit hectic, but that > doesn't exceed a few days, usually. > > Let me know if that's what you want, and how it has to be done. > > Marie-Noëlle Hi, I am a not so well known member of this list, but if if turns out that s.o. is needed to moderate the users list, I am happy to step up. If anyone with more experience on this list wants to do it, I am fine with this of course. I write this because I get the feeling, that we are heading towards a forum, what is a good thing in my opinion, but I would not love to see this list dying. (Not without knowing how the perception of the forum is.) And since a forum eventually also needs manpower I throw my hat in the ring for this list. All the best, Wolfgang Mader > > > 2011/11/10 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> > > > I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate mailing list. > > > > developer are already very busy to manage code and bugzilla. No need to > > overload developer with something not relevant of source code. > > > > This job can be easily assign to non developer. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > > > Gilles Caulier > > > > 2011/11/10 Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email]> > > > >> Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley: > >> ---- > >> > >>> All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to perform the > >>> very > >>> small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a brief look > >>> myself, there is legitimate messages that have never seen the list > >>> as > >>> they are stuck in moderation for both lists. > >>> > >>> Any volunteers? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ben Cooksley > >>> KDE Sysadmin > >> > >> I'd be honored to do it - but there are sometimes fairly long periods > >> when I don't have access to the internet, or even things like > >> electricity etc. > >> This is mostly during June-August but can also happen in March-April. > >> > >> Maybe I can suggest Rinus, Marie Noelle, Jonas Norlander or Jim Junk; > >> they seem quite active on the lists. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Sveinn í Felli > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> Digikam-devel mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/**listinfo/digikam-devel<https://mail.kde > >> .org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-devel>> > > _______________________________________________ > > Digikam-users mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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alexander pylyser <[hidden email]> writes:
> Good idea. I really think a forum would come in handy. Forums are a nuisance in general and when following several lists in particular, more often than not belonging to different spheres. I am yet to see a "forum client" which acts and is configurable like a mail client [1] where you control and choose how to filter, merge, rate (score) messages, user configurable message (mail) editing, etc. etc. With a mailing list, each user is more free to manage information received and composed as it suits hers/his needs. I am not unwilling to step up if necessary, but have too low presence and time to be effective and hopefully there are more active list members with time and interest. Footnotes: [1] If anyone has the lowdown on a "forum reader", I'd be interested to hear. I'd be even more interested if this includes the mention of Emacs and/or Gnus... [2] [2] (info "(gnus)Top") Cheers, -- Johnny _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Am 10.11.2011 14:41, schrieb Marie-Noëlle Augendre:
> We could also switch to a forum, instead of the "traditonal" > mailing-lists. Scribus did it a few months ago > http://forums.scribus.net/index.php? and that brought new functionalities. I don't like forums that much. I use many mailing lists and can easily handle all of them in one program. If every of these programs wants to use a different forum it is hard to follow all interesting threads. I agree that there may be a little benefit especially for photo based stuff. But for me there are more disadvantages. regards Martin > > Marie-Noëlle > > 2011/11/10 Marie-Noëlle Augendre <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > Well, I can certainly moderate the users list (not the developer, > though, as I don't read it). > From time to time, my internet connection can become a bit hectic, > but that doesn't exceed a few days, usually. > > Let me know if that's what you want, and how it has to be done. > > Marie-Noëlle > > > 2011/11/10 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > I agree with Sveinn with a non developer guy can moderate > mailing list. > > developer are already very busy to manage code and bugzilla. No > need to overload developer with something not relevant of source > code. > > This job can be easily assign to non developer. > > Thanks in advance for your help... > > Gilles Caulier > > 2011/11/10 Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > Þann fim 10.nóv 2011 10:18, skrifaði Ben Cooksley: > ---- > > All that is needed is for a contributor to step up to > perform the very > small but crucial role of moderating the list. From a > brief look > myself, there is legitimate messages that have never > seen the list as > they are stuck in moderation for both lists. > > Any volunteers? > > Regards, > Ben Cooksley > KDE Sysadmin > > > I'd be honored to do it - but there are sometimes fairly > long periods when I don't have access to the internet, or > even things like electricity etc. > This is mostly during June-August but can also happen in > March-April. > > Maybe I can suggest Rinus, Marie Noelle, Jonas Norlander or > Jim Junk; they seem quite active on the lists. > > Best regards, > Sveinn í Felli > > > _________________________________________________ > Digikam-devel mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/__listinfo/digikam-devel > <https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-devel> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > > > > > -- > Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe > <http://www.webmaster-en-herbe.net/> > > Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles > <http://www.cevennes-plurielles.com/> > > Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil > générale <http://www.marie-noelle-augendre.com/> > > > > > -- > Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe > <http://www.webmaster-en-herbe.net/> > > Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles > <http://www.cevennes-plurielles.com/> > > Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale > <http://www.marie-noelle-augendre.com/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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2011/11/10 Martin (KDE) <[hidden email]> Among the many benefits I appreciate:
- classify the threads in different categories, thus rending browsing and searching much more efficient - subscribe to the only threads or forums you're interested in, by notification or RSS feed - easy referencing to other threads, so you don't have to repeat the same thing many times - discussions are well referenced by Google and the like, so anyone can be lead to an answer even if he/she is not a member. I've been using a lot of forums for years, and find mailing-lists belong to the previous era: it's either you receive everything or nothing (excluding the daily digest that is "unreadable"). But it is, of course, only my own opinion and usage. Marie-Noëlle -- Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi there,
> alexander pylyser<[hidden email]> writes: > >> Good idea. I really think a forum would come in handy. > I'd think the advantage of mail is, that you can easily have your own off-line archive and don't need internet access to have a look at older stuff. But maybe I just don't know enough about forums, I'm not using them often. -- Andreas Ege 24 The Birches Shobdon Herefordshire HR6 9NG GB Mobile: +44.(0)7526.315292 Tel.: +44.(0)1568.709166 http://spheniscid.net _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Please do not move this list to a forum. In my experience forums are
slower to deal with than mailing lists. I am much happier keeping to a mailing list. Andrew PS I am happy to moderate the users list if there is a need although there seem to be a few volunteers already. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:21:34 +0000, Johnny <[hidden email]> wrote:
> alexander pylyser <[hidden email]> writes: > > > Good idea. I really think a forum would come in handy. > > Forums are a nuisance in general and when following several lists in > particular, more often than not belonging to different spheres. I am > yet to see a "forum client" which acts and is configurable like a mail > client [1] where you control and choose how to filter, merge, rate > (score) messages, user configurable message (mail) editing, > etc. etc. With a mailing list, each user is more free to manage > information received and composed as it suits hers/his needs. +1 Can't we just make this mailing list an unmoderated list? Regards, Erwin _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Am 10.11.2011 21:36, schrieb Marie-Noëlle Augendre:
> > > 2011/11/10 Martin (KDE) <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> > > > > I agree that there may be a little benefit especially for photo based > stuff. But for me there are more disadvantages. > > regards > > Martin > > Among the many benefits I appreciate: > - classify the threads in different categories, thus rending browsing > and searching much more efficient Yes, as I already said, for photo stuff a forum may have advantages in some cases. The category stuff is one of them. > - subscribe to the only threads or forums you're interested in, by > notification or RSS feed This is one thing I never got. I have to read a RSS feed (or mail) and click to a webpage to get the information I want. Why not bringing the information in the feed/mail directly? This is the same with some of the modern social things (so you get a mail stating that you have a new information in your thread). > - easy referencing to other threads, so you don't have to repeat the > same thing many times That's true a benefit. > - discussions are well referenced by Google and the like, so anyone can > be lead to an answer even if he/she is not a member. This is done with mailing lists as well. > > I've been using a lot of forums for years, and find mailing-lists belong > to the previous era: it's either you receive everything or nothing > (excluding the daily digest that is "unreadable"). > > But it is, of course, only my own opinion and usage. In the end you need both. Some things are easier with Mails (I can create a task out of a mail by one click, off-line reading) Some things are better done in a forum (graphical stuff at least). So I hope the mailing list will continue to work. Martin > > Marie-Noëlle > > > -- > Une galerie photos, un blog ... pourquoi pas ? Webmaster en herbe > <http://www.webmaster-en-herbe.net/> > > Parcourez les Cévennes à ma façon : Cévennes Plurielles > <http://www.cevennes-plurielles.com/> > > Et toutes mes autres publications à partir de ma page d'accueil générale > <http://www.marie-noelle-augendre.com/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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