I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if anyone else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has lots of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling which is streets ahead of digikam.
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> I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if anyone > else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has lots > of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling which is > streets ahead of digikam. If you have concrete suggestions for improvements to digikam, please use the bug-tracker, see http://www.digikam.org/?q=contrib under "Reporting bugs and wishes". Yours sincerely, Arnd _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Sunday 03 February 2008 michael hughes wrote:
> I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if anyone > else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has lots > of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling which is > streets ahead of digikam. > I've installed LightZone 3.4 I'm trying desparately to find out about the IPTC features of lightZone but I can't find anything except the very basic stuff like rating, copyright, creator. Can you help me? Gerhard _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users signature.asc (196 bytes) Download Attachment |
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On Sunday 03 February 2008 9:21:42 am michael hughes wrote:
> I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if anyone > else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has > lots of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling which > is streets ahead of digikam. I also am starting to give it a try. I haven't had a lot of time to work with it, but I think Digikam is far superior for image organization. In LightZone's favor is the ability to apply a transformation to a selected area. I think that it will be good to use as an external editor, just as gimp is. I look forward to hearing about your experiences with LZ. Paul _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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> 2008/2/4, Paul Waldo <[hidden email]>: > > On Sunday 03 February 2008 9:21:42 am michael hughes wrote: > > > I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if > > > > anyone > > > > > else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has > > > lots of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling > > > > which > > > > > is streets ahead of digikam. > > > > I also am starting to give it a try. I haven't had a lot of time to work > > with > > it, but I think Digikam is far superior for image organization. In > > LightZone's favor is the ability to apply a transformation to a selected > > area. I think that it will be good to use as an external editor, just as > > gimp is. I look forward to hearing about your experiences with LZ. > > digiKam support 16 bits color depth image, gimp no... > > Gilles Caulier Hi Gilles, My comment was by no means a diminishing of Digikam. I find the digikam tools work wonderfully for the majority of my photos. I especially like the B&W effects, for which gimp provides no equal. Most of my images are nails, and digikam is a great hammer. Sometimes though, I have a screwy image, so I need a screwdriver :-). In these cases gimp or krita fit the bill. Digikam lets me use the tool that works best, to its credit. I used to use KPhotoAlbum, but switched to Digikam because it works so much better for me. I'm still not done retagging my tens of thousands of images, but I feel that it is worth it because of the utility of digikam. So please don't take my comments negatively, I have the utmost respect for the work that you and everyone else has done! Please keep up the good work! Paul _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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> On Monday 04 February 2008 4:21:16 pm Gilles Caulier wrote: > > 2008/2/4, Paul Waldo <[hidden email]>: > > > On Sunday 03 February 2008 9:21:42 am michael hughes wrote: > > > > I just downloaded and installed LightZone on Kubuntu and wondered if > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else has tried it. I think its very similar to Adobes Lightroom and has > > > > lots of features which I find useful In particular the IPTC handling > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is streets ahead of digikam. > > > > > > I also am starting to give it a try. I haven't had a lot of time to work > > > with > > > it, but I think Digikam is far superior for image organization. In > > > LightZone's favor is the ability to apply a transformation to a selected > > > area. I think that it will be good to use as an external editor, just as > > > gimp is. I look forward to hearing about your experiences with LZ. > > > > digiKam support 16 bits color depth image, gimp no... > > > > Gilles Caulier > > Hi Gilles, > > My comment was by no means a diminishing of Digikam. I find the digikam tools > work wonderfully for the majority of my photos. I especially like the B&W > effects, for which gimp provides no equal. Most of my images are nails, and > digikam is a great hammer. Sometimes though, I have a screwy image, so I > need a screwdriver :-). In these cases gimp or krita fit the bill. Digikam > lets me use the tool that works best, to its credit. > > I used to use KPhotoAlbum, but switched to Digikam because it works so much > better for me. I'm still not done retagging my tens of thousands of images, > but I feel that it is worth it because of the utility of digikam. So please > don't take my comments negatively, I have the utmost respect for the work > that you and everyone else has done! Please keep up the good work! > > Paul > ______ if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading this: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM It will be in the documentation very soon. Gerhard -- ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·... ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·...¸ ><((((º> http://www.gerhard.fr _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users signature.asc (196 bytes) Download Attachment |
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I believe LightZone can read DNGs. I wouldnt use LightZone to categorise images any more than I would Lightroom. At the moment I use Imatch under windows. I have an archivr approaching 250,000 images. Anyone got any ideas how I could archive them under Linux?
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> Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > | if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading this: > | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM > Gerhard, this is an excellent article! Thank you for this compilation. > > One question regarding dng: As far as I know there is no linux software to > create dng's out of raw files, is this correct? > > As I have already exchanged my camery and have a pile of raw files from my old > camera, I can do nothing but rely on dcraw's strategy to digest new formats > without dropping old ones - or convert all my files to tiff in order to play > safe. But then I have to create sidecar files for all the metadata... > > Regards - Markus http://mat.users.geeky.net/serendipity/index.php?/archives/244-A-dcraw-patch-to-enable-DNG-output-finally!.html It is of course one of our near future goals to support DNG. It needs tiff writing support be exiv2 and libtiff to start with. I took DNG up in my article because, whilst it is focussed on digiKam, it take a bit of a general stance on DAM, and DNG seems to be the way to go for RAW. Right noe the best digiKam way to go about RAW is to keep RAW files and to convert into PNG, although there is no full metadata PNG support either. Gerhard -- ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·... ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·...¸ ><((((º> http://www.gerhard.fr _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users signature.asc (196 bytes) Download Attachment |
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2008/2/5, Markus Spring <[hidden email]>: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- yes and yes... This is the fault to Adobe : - DNG sdk is published using a restricted licence, non-opensource compatible. Look here : http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/dng/dng_sdk.html - Linux is not supported in this SDK. Of course to have take a look in source code, this can be fixed without too many problem. - Abode policy is really strange. Why XMP sdk is published with BSD license and support Linux as well, and not DNG sdk (:=((( - Only DNG specification are published over the world. In the pass, i have work on a patch for libkdcraw to convert RAW to DNG... in linear mode. This is bad way. There is 2 DNG storing image data : 1/ RAW linear uncompressed (obsolete) 2/ JPEG LossLess with 16 bits color depth support (hightly recommended in DNG spec) The first one can be done easily under digiKam, but size file are very huge (~2 or ~3x original RAW file size). This is a non-sense to use it... The second one is the right way. File size are divided by 2. Problem : algorithm used by Adobe is strongly (c) and certainly covered by patents (i'm not sure about this point) If you take a look over algorithm, it's an extended version of the old libjpeg for Linux ! Thanks to adobe to use opensource code and to make non-opensource implementations... Another point is about OpenRaw stuff : It's a web site dedicated to promote DNG format as well... But DNG sdk is not open source compliant... This is why i will never support OpenRaw... http://www.openraw.org/ It's certainly time to start a petition against Adobe SDK licencing... Best Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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2008/2/5, Gerhard Kulzer <[hidden email]>: GillesOn Tuesday 05 February 2008 Markus Spring wrote: This is RAW linear uncompressed image data storage... Wrong way... It is of course one of our near future goals to support DNG. It needs tiff writing support be exiv2 Exiv2 author said to me than next main release of Exiv2 will support it and libtiff to start with. DNG file are tiff/ep file extension. You can writte DNG file using libtiff, in therory, but like there is no JPEG lossless with 16 bits color depth support in libtiff (see my previous message), libtiff cannot help us... I took DNG up in my article because, whilst it is focussed on digiKam, it take a bit of a general stance on DAM, and DNG seems to be the way to go for RAW. Right noe the best digiKam way to go about RAW is to keep RAW files and to convert into PNG, although there is no full metadata PNG support either. Full metatada support is implemented in digiKam, but wrtting on the fly using Exiv2 is not yet done. If you open an RAW or JPEG image in digiKam image editor and you cnvert it to PNG, all metadata will be preserved (the image is written from scratch). And when i said all metadata, i want mean Exif/makernote/GPS/IPTC/XMP ! I have an uncomplete patch against Exiv2 on my computer to support PNG writting mode on the fly... I just need to find more free time to complete it. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > On Tuesday 05 February 2008 Markus Spring wrote: > > Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > > | if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading this: > > | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM > > Gerhard, this is an excellent article! Thank you for this compilation. > > > > One question regarding dng: As far as I know there is no linux software to > > create dng's out of raw files, is this correct? > > > > As I have already exchanged my camery and have a pile of raw files from my old > > camera, I can do nothing but rely on dcraw's strategy to digest new formats > > without dropping old ones - or convert all my files to tiff in order to play > > safe. But then I have to create sidecar files for all the metadata... > > > > Regards - Markus > > You are right, there's no DNG software (AFAIK) on Linux yet, unless you want to try this: > http://mat.users.geeky.net/serendipity/index.php?/archives/244-A-dcraw-patch-to-enable-DNG-output-finally!.html > > It is of course one of our near future goals to support DNG. It needs tiff writing support be exiv2 and libtiff to start with. > I took DNG up in my article because, whilst it is focussed on digiKam, it take a bit of a general stance on DAM, and DNG seems to be the way to go for RAW. Right noe the best digiKam way to go about RAW is to keep RAW files and to convert into PNG, although there is no full metadata PNG support either. Isn't there also the additional aspect, that the original RAW data directly correspond to the sensor data, which usually are separated into R G B data, in a Bayer array. Thus some people argue, that it is better to keep the original RAW, because better Bayer interpolators might be created in the future. DNG would already contain an interpolated image, right? Actually, I am not sure how relevant this is in practical terms, but together with noise reduction etc. it might be important in some cases? Best, Arnd _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
2008/2/5, Arnd Baecker <[hidden email]>:
yes, if you read DNG spec, you will see than RAW original image data can be hosted at the same time than JPEG lossless 16 bits image. But in this case, the DNG file size become huge... So, DNG is not easy to use in RAW workflow... You can try Adobe RAW DNG converter under linux using wine. it's not too bad : http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=windows here, i have hosted few sample to take a look : http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/TEST_IMAGES/DNG (RAW converter)/ Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tuesday 05 February 2008 Arnd Baecker wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > > > On Tuesday 05 February 2008 Markus Spring wrote: > > > Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > > > | if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading this: > > > | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM > > > Gerhard, this is an excellent article! Thank you for this compilation. > > > > > > One question regarding dng: As far as I know there is no linux software to > > > create dng's out of raw files, is this correct? > > > > > > As I have already exchanged my camery and have a pile of raw files from my old > > > camera, I can do nothing but rely on dcraw's strategy to digest new formats > > > without dropping old ones - or convert all my files to tiff in order to play > > > safe. But then I have to create sidecar files for all the metadata... > > > > > > Regards - Markus > > > > You are right, there's no DNG software (AFAIK) on Linux yet, unless you want to try this: > > http://mat.users.geeky.net/serendipity/index.php?/archives/244-A-dcraw-patch-to-enable-DNG-output-finally!.html > > > > It is of course one of our near future goals to support DNG. It needs tiff writing support be exiv2 and libtiff to start with. > > I took DNG up in my article because, whilst it is focussed on digiKam, it take a bit of a general stance on DAM, and DNG seems to be the way to go for RAW. Right noe the best digiKam way to go about RAW is to keep RAW files and to convert into PNG, although there is no full metadata PNG support either. > > Isn't there also the additional aspect, that the original RAW > data directly correspond to the sensor data, > which usually are separated into R G B data, in a Bayer array. > Thus some people argue, that it is better to keep the original > RAW, because better Bayer interpolators might be created in the > future. DNG would already contain an interpolated image, right? > > Actually, I am not sure how relevant this is in practical > terms, but together with noise reduction etc. it might be important > in some cases? > > Best, Arnd > > regards Gerhard -- ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·... ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·...¸ ><((((º> http://www.gerhard.fr _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users signature.asc (196 bytes) Download Attachment |
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > On Tuesday 05 February 2008 Arnd Baecker wrote: > > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday 05 February 2008 Markus Spring wrote: > > > > Gerhard Kulzer wrote: > > > > | if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading this: > > > > | http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM > > > > Gerhard, this is an excellent article! Thank you for this compilation. > > > > > > > > One question regarding dng: As far as I know there is no linux software to > > > > create dng's out of raw files, is this correct? > > > > > > > > As I have already exchanged my camery and have a pile of raw files from my old > > > > camera, I can do nothing but rely on dcraw's strategy to digest new formats > > > > without dropping old ones - or convert all my files to tiff in order to play > > > > safe. But then I have to create sidecar files for all the metadata... > > > > > > > > Regards - Markus > > > > > > You are right, there's no DNG software (AFAIK) on Linux yet, unless you want to try this: > > > http://mat.users.geeky.net/serendipity/index.php?/archives/244-A-dcraw-patch-to-enable-DNG-output-finally!.html > > > > > > It is of course one of our near future goals to support DNG. It needs tiff writing support be exiv2 and libtiff to start with. > > > I took DNG up in my article because, whilst it is focussed on digiKam, it take a bit of a general stance on DAM, and DNG seems to be the way to go for RAW. Right noe the best digiKam way to go about RAW is to keep RAW files and to convert into PNG, although there is no full metadata PNG support either. > > > > Isn't there also the additional aspect, that the original RAW > > data directly correspond to the sensor data, > > which usually are separated into R G B data, in a Bayer array. > > Thus some people argue, that it is better to keep the original > > RAW, because better Bayer interpolators might be created in the > > future. DNG would already contain an interpolated image, right? > > > > Actually, I am not sure how relevant this is in practical > > terms, but together with noise reduction etc. it might be important > > in some cases? > > > > Best, Arnd > > I think you have a point there, but: RAW file formats will be obsolete after some time, as I said in my DAM article, in the long run you will not be able to read RAW of the past. Therefore it is better to convert to DNG. Hmm, I don't fully buy this one ;-): As long as dcraw compiles and does not introduce back-wards incompatible changes (i.e. omitting decoders), all should be fine (Well, of course the safest might be to store a copy of dcraw together with the raw images. Then only(?) bit-rot or changing compilers could do harm...) Best, Arnd _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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I don't know if it could be useful, but I started recently to use chdk firmware in my ixus 800is : http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/SD700_CHDK_Porting This allows me to add features to the camera as bracketing (really great to make HDR photos) and raw. The raw file can be processed by dcraw (and so digikam and other tools based on dcraw). But, there's also a converter to DNG format : http://dng4ps2.chat.ru/index_en.html It creates files that are slightly smaller than the original raw file, but not sure if it's so different than the dcraw output... Gilles Caulier wrote: > > - DNG sdk is published using a restricted licence, non-opensource > compatible. Look here : > > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/dng/dng_sdk.html > > - Linux is not supported in this SDK. Of course to have take a look in > source code, this can be fixed without too many problem. > > - Abode policy is really strange. Why XMP sdk is published with BSD > license and support Linux as well, and not DNG sdk (:=((( > > - Only DNG specification are published over the world. > > In the pass, i have work on a patch for libkdcraw to convert RAW to > DNG... in linear mode. This is bad way. There is 2 DNG storing image data : > > 1/ RAW linear uncompressed (obsolete) > 2/ JPEG LossLess with 16 bits color depth support (hightly recommended > in DNG spec) > > The first one can be done easily under digiKam, but size file are very > huge (~2 or ~3x original RAW file size). This is a non-sense to use it... > > The second one is the right way. File size are divided by 2. Problem : > algorithm used by Adobe is strongly (c) and certainly covered by patents > (i'm not sure about this point) > > If you take a look over algorithm, it's an extended version of the old > libjpeg for Linux ! Thanks to adobe to use opensource code and to make > non-opensource implementations... > > Another point is about OpenRaw stuff : It's a web site dedicated to > promote DNG format as well... But DNG sdk is not open source > compliant... This is why i will never support OpenRaw... -- Fabien _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
2008/2/5, Fabien <[hidden email]>: Hi, Interresing. i will take a look into source code... Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
2008/2/5, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:
Fabien, This program use DNG SDK inside !!!! And it's published under GPL !!! Really nice. I don't know that i can use no-gpl code into a GPL project... especially if Non-GPL code is published with restricted closures. From the tarball, we have this file : [gilles@localhost ~]$ cat dng_lossless_jpeg.h /*****************************************************************************/ // Copyright 2006 Adobe Systems Incorporated // All Rights Reserved. // // NOTICE: Adobe permits you to use, modify, and distribute this file in // accordance with the terms of the Adobe license agreement accompanying it. /*****************************************************************************/ /* $Id: //mondo/dng_sdk_1_1/dng_sdk/source/dng_lossless_jpeg.h#1 $ */ /* $DateTime: 2006/04/05 18:24:55 $ */ /* $Change: 215171 $ */ /* $Author: tknoll $ */ /** * \file Functions for encoding and decoding lossless JPEG format. */ The Adobe License have been removed in this tarball. Great for an opensource program ! Or perhaps i missing something about licensing relevant of my primal English (:=)))... Comments are welcome... Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On Tuesday 05 February 2008 1:12:37 am Gerhard Kulzer wrote:
> Hi Paul, > if you're tagging your whole collection you might be interested in reading > this: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DigikamDAM > > It will be in the documentation very soon. > > Gerhard I'm anxious to read this, and apparently everyone else is also. I get this when I try to view the link: Unable to connect to the database ! User wikikde_kdewiki already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connections :-( Paul _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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