Is thunderbird and gmail a good option to use the digikam mailing list ?

[nonobio]

Hi,

I'm new on Digikam and i've been surprised to not found a support
"forum" but a "mailing list".

I never used this system before or just once several years ago.

My main mail is Gmail and i used it tu suscribe to the list, but i
didn't found how to browse easily the list.

So i use thunderbird (portable version) and i created a filter on gmail
or archived new digikam messages automatically. It worksbut i would like
to be sure it is a good way to use the digikam list (gmail and thunderbird).

What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
is it better in some aspects ?

Thanks

[Michael Gerdau-3]

> What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
> is it better in some aspects ?

<religious war ahead>

"Better" is a difficult question.

In my experience the level of expertise tends to be higher on a ML and
consequently the s/r is much better. Also a ML is much easier to deal with
asynchronously and offline.

It is probably a matter of taste but I almost never resort to any form of forum
unless it is the *only* possible means to get information.

Others likely have a different opinion and discussing the pros and cons in my
experience usually quickly turns into a flamewar.

</religious war ahead>

In the end the developer of digikam seem to prefer a ML - so here you go :)

Kind regards,
Michael
--
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GPG-keys available on request or at public keyserver

[Sveinn í Felli-2]

Þann mið 14.des 2016 13:51, skrifaði nonobio:
> What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
> is it better in some aspects ?

Let's replace 'better' with 'different', OK?

Main differences:

Mail comes to you - you go to a forum.

Mail gets handled/viewed by your chosen client, set up as you see fit -
forum is mostly set up as someone else wants it to be.

Mail can be locally on your own machine, searches can be done in
fractions of seconds, using regex or whatever - forum searches can be a
pain, and only with the tools the sysadmins see as practical.

Mail can be available offline as long as you see fit - without internet
connection there's no forum.

Mail is quite manageable up to a certain volume - after which you either
prefer to split topics up to multiple mailing-lists OR you'd prefer
working on a forum.

Digikam is not such a high-volume list ;-)

Just thoughts,
Sveinn í Felli

Le 14/12/2016 à 14:51, nonobio a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I'm new on Digikam and i've been surprised to not found a support
> "forum" but a "mailing list".
>
> I never used this system before or just once several years ago.

it's the prefered system for many technical support

>
> My main mail is Gmail and i used it tu suscribe to the list, but i
> didn't found how to browse easily the list.

it's a bit tricky if you are not used to that. You have to look at the
"source" of any mail on this list (mine, for example) and find this:

List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>

(just copied from source) and you get the archives URL. The drawback is
you can't answer from the archives

gmail should be enough but Th is very good

> What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
> is it better in some aspects ?

forum, as of web forum (PHPBB, etc) are better for one shot. You need
one answer for one question and you most probably wont ever come again,
forum is best. You don't have to unsubscribe, you simply forget it.

mailing lists are better when you want to stay in touch with the
community. If you plan to use digikam on a regular basis, you will find
many infos in the other members posts. The problem Paul have today,
peter may have the other day... you also can archive easier interesting
mails for future use.

jdd

[nonobio]

Thanks for all, it's more clear now :)

So, thunderbird is one of the easier way to use mailing list ?

Bye

Le 14/12/2016 à 16:14, jdd a écrit :

> Le 14/12/2016 à 14:51, nonobio a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm new on Digikam and i've been surprised to not found a support
>> "forum" but a "mailing list".
>>
>> I never used this system before or just once several years ago.
>
> it's the prefered system for many technical support
>
>>
>> My main mail is Gmail and i used it tu suscribe to the list, but i
>> didn't found how to browse easily the list.
>
> it's a bit tricky if you are not used to that. You have to look at the
> "source" of any mail on this list (mine, for example) and find this:
>
> List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
>
> (just copied from source) and you get the archives URL. The drawback is
> you can't answer from the archives
>
> gmail should be enough but Th is very good
>
>> What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
>> is it better in some aspects ?
>
> forum, as of web forum (PHPBB, etc) are better for one shot. You need
> one answer for one question and you most probably wont ever come again,
> forum is best. You don't have to unsubscribe, you simply forget it.
>
> mailing lists are better when you want to stay in touch with the
> community. If you plan to use digikam on a regular basis, you will find
> many infos in the other members posts. The problem Paul have today,
> peter may have the other day... you also can archive easier interesting
> mails for future use.
>
> jdd
>
>

[Dr. Martin Senftleben]

Hi,

I just want to add that I usually prefer forums, because they keep
answers readily available when I need them. To browse through a mailing
list archive is just an awful pain, to ask on the list may not yield the
result because the person who knows the answer has unsubscribed, and so
on. His answer from a previous question would, however, be available on
the net.
Admittedly there will be posts which become obsolete and maybe even
wrong, but a moderator can take care of that.

I receive daily a hundred mails and more, and to figure out which are
important and which not takes time. I generally delete most of this
list's mails, because I don't need them. But those are things I have to
do daily, and it's also sometimes a pain. However, I don't want to
unsubscribe, because then I need to resubscribe when I have a problem
etc., and rarely I also may be able to help (some subject lines catch my
attention).

Regards,

Martin

Am 15.12.2016 um 06:44 schrieb nonobio:

> Thanks for all, it's more clear now :)
>
> So, thunderbird is one of the easier way to use mailing list ?
>
> Bye
>
> Le 14/12/2016 à 16:14, jdd a écrit :
>> Le 14/12/2016 à 14:51, nonobio a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm new on Digikam and i've been surprised to not found a support
>>> "forum" but a "mailing list".
>>>
>>> I never used this system before or just once several years ago.
>>
>> it's the prefered system for many technical support
>>
>>>
>>> My main mail is Gmail and i used it tu suscribe to the list, but i
>>> didn't found how to browse easily the list.
>>
>> it's a bit tricky if you are not used to that. You have to look at the
>> "source" of any mail on this list (mine, for example) and find this:
>>
>> List-Archive: <http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/digikam-users/>
>>
>> (just copied from source) and you get the archives URL. The drawback is
>> you can't answer from the archives
>>
>> gmail should be enough but Th is very good
>>
>>> What the reason why Digikam support use mailing list instead of forum,
>>> is it better in some aspects ?
>>
>> forum, as of web forum (PHPBB, etc) are better for one shot. You need
>> one answer for one question and you most probably wont ever come again,
>> forum is best. You don't have to unsubscribe, you simply forget it.
>>
>> mailing lists are better when you want to stay in touch with the
>> community. If you plan to use digikam on a regular basis, you will find
>> many infos in the other members posts. The problem Paul have today,
>> peter may have the other day... you also can archive easier interesting
>> mails for future use.
>>
>> jdd
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
Herzliche Grüße!

Martin Senftleben

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http://www.drmartinus.de/pgpindex.html

Le 15/12/2016 à 06:44, nonobio a écrit :
> Thanks for all, it's more clear now :)
>
> So, thunderbird is one of the easier way to use mailing list ?
>

and for general mail also :-) (and newsgroups)

jdd

[nonobio]

H :)

So i use thunderbird for follow the digikam mailing list and get support.

But maybe because i didn't made the good settings or don't use the good
tools, i often miss answers to my own messages.

Because i use mainly gmail for all my mails and thunderbird only for
Digikam mailing list, i have to think to launch thunderbird to check if
there is new reply to my own messages.

My questions :

Can i have notification (mail for instance) when there are reply to only
choosed messages, included mine ?

Are there others ways to have a proper user interface like in
thunderbird to display messages with proper subject and hierarchical
replies ?
With gmail, subjects are named with numbers : issue 128, issue 129,
etc.., and it isn't clear for me.

Thanks

Le 15/12/2016 à 09:48, jdd a écrit :

> Le 15/12/2016 à 06:44, nonobio a écrit :
>> Thanks for all, it's more clear now :)
>>
>> So, thunderbird is one of the easier way to use mailing list ?
>>
>
> and for general mail also :-) (and newsgroups)
>
> jdd
>
>

[Dan Dascalescu]

You wouldn't have this problem if we used an actual forum.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, nonobio <[hidden email]> wrote:

H :)

So i use thunderbird for follow the digikam mailing list and get support.

But maybe because i didn't made the good settings or don't use the good tools, i often miss answers to my own messages.

Because i use mainly gmail for all my mails and thunderbird only for Digikam mailing list, i have to think to launch thunderbird to check if there is new reply to my own messages.

My questions :

Can i have notification (mail for instance) when there are reply to only choosed messages, included mine ?

Are there others ways to have a proper user interface like in thunderbird to display messages with proper subject and hierarchical replies ?
With gmail, subjects are named with numbers : issue 128, issue 129, etc.., and it isn't clear for me.

Thanks

Le 15/12/2016 à 09:48, jdd a écrit :

Le 15/12/2016 à 06:44, nonobio a écrit :

Thanks for all, it's more clear now :)

So, thunderbird is one of the easier way to use mailing list ?

and for general mail also :-) (and newsgroups)

jdd

[Chris Green]

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:25:48PM -0800, Dan Dascalescu wrote:
>    You wouldn't have this problem if we used [1]an actual forum.
>
I (and I suspect a few others) wouldn't be here if it was a forum.

E-Mail has, for me, huge advantages:-

    It comes to me, I don't have to open my browser and log in the
    forum.  I'm on 60 or so E-Mail lists, if these were all forums I'd
    be spending all my time logging in and out.

    I can filter the incoming mail so each list ends up in its own
    mail folder.

    I can use the editor that *I* want to use to create and edit
    posts, I use the same editor everywhere and don't have to remember
    different commands for different lists.

    With the mail client I use the messages are properly threaded.

--
Chris Green

[Robert Zeller]

Completely my opinion and way of life !

On 25.01.2017 11:10, Chris Green wrote:

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:25:48PM -0800, Dan Dascalescu wrote:

   You wouldn't have this problem if we used [1]an actual forum.

I (and I suspect a few others) wouldn't be here if it was a forum.

E-Mail has, for me, huge advantages:-

    It comes to me, I don't have to open my browser and log in the
    forum.  I'm on 60 or so E-Mail lists, if these were all forums I'd
    be spending all my time logging in and out.

    I can filter the incoming mail so each list ends up in its own
    mail folder.

    I can use the editor that *I* want to use to create and edit
    posts, I use the same editor everywhere and don't have to remember
    different commands for different lists.

    With the mail client I use the messages are properly threaded.

[Simon Frei]

May we keep the two issues separate, e.g. talk about best way to handle
the mailing list in this discussion and about the forum-mailing list
issue in the other thread - thanks.

On 25/01/17 11:15, Robert Zeller wrote:

>
> Completely my opinion and way of life !
>
>
> On 25.01.2017 11:10, Chris Green wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:25:48PM -0800, Dan Dascalescu wrote:
>>>    You wouldn't have this problem if we used [1]an actual forum.
>>>
>> I (and I suspect a few others) wouldn't be here if it was a forum.
>>
>> E-Mail has, for me, huge advantages:-
>>
>>     It comes to me, I don't have to open my browser and log in the
>>     forum.  I'm on 60 or so E-Mail lists, if these were all forums I'd
>>     be spending all my time logging in and out.
>>
>>     I can filter the incoming mail so each list ends up in its own
>>     mail folder.
>>
>>     I can use the editor that *I* want to use to create and edit
>>     posts, I use the same editor everywhere and don't have to remember
>>     different commands for different lists.
>>
>>     With the mail client I use the messages are properly threaded.
>>
>

[Remco Viëtor]

On mercredi 25 janvier 2017 11:48:15 CET Simon Frei wrote:
> May we keep the two issues separate, e.g. talk about best way to handle
> the mailing list in this discussion and about the forum-mailing list
> issue in the other thread - thanks.
Hear, hear.

Also, hijacking a thread to push your own agenda is something that's frowned
upon even in forums, iirc.

Remco

[Chris Green]

Simon Frei <[hidden email]> wrote:
> May we keep the two issues separate, e.g. talk about best way to handle
> the mailing list in this discussion and about the forum-mailing list
> issue in the other thread - thanks.
>
I can only see one thread.

--
Chris Green
·

[Simon Frei]

On 25/01/17 15:08, Chris Green wrote:
> Simon Frei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> May we keep the two issues separate, e.g. talk about best way to handle
>> the mailing list in this discussion and about the forum-mailing list
>> issue in the other thread - thanks.
>>
> I can only see one thread.
>
The one I was referring to has the somewhat inapt subject "digiKam '97".

[nonobio]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

I see you are talking about that in the digikam '97 topic.

I followed the link to "nabble", so is it a kind of "forum" made from
the mailing list ? Should i register to it in parallel of my mailing
list suscription ?

I read the pros and cons you wrote about mailing list and forum. I
understand them.
For me, it is a pain to follow the digikam community : i follow a lot of
others "community" with forums where i choose to suscribe to mail
notification for selected topics only. I use mailing list and
thunderbird only for digikam and i'm always a little lost.

have a good day :)

Le 25/01/2017 à 15:19, Simon Frei a écrit :

> On 25/01/17 15:08, Chris Green wrote:
>> Simon Frei <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> May we keep the two issues separate, e.g. talk about best way to handle
>>> the mailing list in this discussion and about the forum-mailing list
>>> issue in the other thread - thanks.
>>>
>> I can only see one thread.
>>
> The one I was referring to has the somewhat inapt subject "digiKam '97".
>

Le 26/01/2017 à 10:44, nonobio a écrit :

> I read the pros and cons you wrote about mailing list and forum. I
> understand them.
> For me, it is a pain to follow the digikam community : i follow a lot of
> others "community" with forums where i choose to suscribe to mail
> notification for selected topics only. I use mailing list and
> thunderbird only for digikam and i'm always a little lost.

to add to what was said on the subject, it's pretty easy to follow a
mailing list on a smartĥone, and very difficult to do the same on a
forum - I often have passwd and characters size problems in forums with
my (5" android) phone

jdd

[AndriusWild]

Maybe we could utilize pixlz.us or google+ for that matter? Following only the topics you like sounds like a great idea. 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: jdd <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-01-26 2:48 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: [hidden email]

Subject: Re: Is thunderbird and gmail a good option to use the digikam mailing list ?

Le 26/01/2017 à 10:44, nonobio a écrit :

> I read the pros and cons you wrote about mailing list and forum. I
> understand them.
> For me, it is a pain to follow the digikam community : i follow a lot of
> others "community" with forums where i choose to suscribe to mail
> notification for selected topics only. I use mailing list and
> thunderbird only for digikam and i'm always a little lost.

to add to what was said on the subject, it's pretty easy to follow a
mailing list on a smartĥone, and very difficult to do the same on a
forum - I often have passwd and characters size problems in forums with
my (5" android) phone

jdd

[Remco Viëtor]

On mardi 24 janvier 2017 09:57:45 CET nonobio wrote:

> H :)
>
> So i use thunderbird for follow the digikam mailing list and get support.
>
> But maybe because i didn't made the good settings or don't use the good
> tools, i often miss answers to my own messages.
>
> Because i use mainly gmail for all my mails and thunderbird only for
> Digikam mailing list, i have to think to launch thunderbird to check if
> there is new reply to my own messages.
>
> My questions :
>
> Can i have notification (mail for instance) when there are reply to only
> choosed messages, included mine ?
>
> Are there others ways to have a proper user interface like in
> thunderbird to display messages with proper subject and hierarchical
> replies ?
> With gmail, subjects are named with numbers : issue 128, issue 129,
> etc.., and it isn't clear for me.

So you use Thunderbird for the Digikam mailing list, and gmail (webmail?) for
all other email. That makes me think you are using a separate email address
for this list. (if you were using the same gmail address as for your other
mail, you'd see the Digikam messages there as well)

If that's the case, I don't see how you could get notifications from the
address you use here to the other address(es) you use, other than through the
settings for your gmail account. But that's not a Digikam problem...

Same for the user interface, you'll probably get more/better answers on a
platform dedicated to gmail (or try Google "gmail how to use"?"). Or, of
course, you can use Thunderbird for the other mail as well...

[AndriusWild]

I think you need to google for " *your email provider* imap thunderbird".

If you added it to Thunderbird using pop3 protocol you can only have scheduled delivery, e.g. every 5 min, 30 min, etc.

imap should be able to "push" an email to your Thunderbird whenever a new one comes in.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Remco Viëtor <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-01-26 7:07 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: Is thunderbird and gmail a good option to use the digikam mailing list ?

On mardi 24 janvier 2017 09:57:45 CET nonobio wrote:

> H :)
>
> So i use thunderbird for follow the digikam mailing list and get support.
>
> But maybe because i didn't made the good settings or don't use the good
> tools, i often miss answers to my own messages.
>
> Because i use mainly gmail for all my mails and thunderbird only for
> Digikam mailing list, i have to think to launch thunderbird to check if
> there is new reply to my own messages.
>
> My questions :
>
> Can i have notification (mail for instance) when there are reply to only
> choosed messages, included mine ?
>
> Are there others ways to have a proper user interface like in
> thunderbird to display messages with proper subject and hierarchical
> replies ?
> With gmail, subjects are named with numbers : issue 128, issue 129,
> etc.., and it isn't clear for me.

So you use Thunderbird for the Digikam mailing list, and gmail (webmail?) for
all other email. That makes me think you are using a separate email address
for this list. (if you were using the same gmail address as for your other
mail, you'd see the Digikam messages there as well)

If that's the case, I don't see how you could get notifications from the
address you use here to the other address(es) you use, other than through the
settings for your gmail account. But that's not a Digikam problem...

Same for the user interface, you'll probably get more/better answers on a
platform dedicated to gmail (or try Google "gmail how to use"?"). Or, of
course, you can use Thunderbird for the other mail as well...