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pshute
I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.

When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".

The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.

Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?

Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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It doesn't look like there's going to be a flood of replies about this. Unfortunate, as comparing images with synchronised zooming is a key part of my workflow.



Can anyone at least confirm that they've used the Windows version and successfully used the Light Table?





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I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.



When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".



The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.



Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?



Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.

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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

Gilles Caulier-4
At last coding sprint i have reported this problem to patrick
spendrin. I don't know if he have found the dysfunction in the code...

I will test soon again...

Gilles

2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:

> It doesn't look like there's going to be a flood of replies about this. Unfortunate, as comparing images with synchronised zooming is a key part of my workflow.
>
> Can anyone at least confirm that they've used the Windows version and successfully used the Light Table?
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Shute <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Fri Dec 11 01:02:11 2009
> Subject: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>
> I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.
>
> When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".
>
> The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.
>
> Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?
>
> Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

pshute
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OK, thank you. Looks like I need to install a Linux virtual machine instead. Or does it affect every build?

Is there a bug tracking report I can refer to?


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At last coding sprint i have reported this problem to patrick
spendrin. I don't know if he have found the dysfunction in the code...

I will test soon again...

Gilles

2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:

> It doesn't look like there's going to be a flood of replies about this. Unfortunate, as comparing images with synchronised zooming is a key part of my workflow.
>
> Can anyone at least confirm that they've used the Windows version and successfully used the Light Table?
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Shute <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Fri Dec 11 01:02:11 2009
> Subject: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>
> I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.
>
> When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".
>
> The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.
>
> Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?
>
> Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
> OK, thank you. Looks like I need to install a Linux virtual machine instead. Or does it affect every build?

linux work fine

>
> Is there a bug tracking report I can refer to?
>

i think no...

gilles

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> From: Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat Dec 12 07:45:56 2009
> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>
> At last coding sprint i have reported this problem to patrick
> spendrin. I don't know if he have found the dysfunction in the code...
>
> I will test soon again...
>
> Gilles
>
> 2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
>> It doesn't look like there's going to be a flood of replies about this. Unfortunate, as comparing images with synchronised zooming is a key part of my workflow.
>>
>> Can anyone at least confirm that they've used the Windows version and successfully used the Light Table?
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent using BlackBerry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Peter Shute <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Fri Dec 11 01:02:11 2009
>> Subject: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>>
>> I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.
>>
>> When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".
>>
>> The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.
>>
>> Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?
>>
>> Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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If a bug that serious is well known but there's no bug offically submitted then it sounds like the Windows version is definitely to be avoided.

Can anyone recommend which Linux distribution to try?  I've never used any of them before. This poll suggests Ubuntu is most popular, but I don't know how old it is:
http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/188

I will be trying to install it in a VMWare virtual machine, something I've never tried either.


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2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
> OK, thank you. Looks like I need to install a Linux virtual machine instead. Or does it affect every build?

linux work fine

>
> Is there a bug tracking report I can refer to?
>

i think no...

gilles

>
> --------------------------
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sat Dec 12 07:45:56 2009
> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>
> At last coding sprint i have reported this problem to patrick
> spendrin. I don't know if he have found the dysfunction in the code...
>
> I will test soon again...
>
> Gilles
>
> 2009/12/11 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
>> It doesn't look like there's going to be a flood of replies about this. Unfortunate, as comparing images with synchronised zooming is a key part of my workflow.
>>
>> Can anyone at least confirm that they've used the Windows version and successfully used the Light Table?
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent using BlackBerry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Peter Shute <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Fri Dec 11 01:02:11 2009
>> Subject: [Digikam-users] Images not visible on Light Table
>>
>> I've just installed digiKam on a Windows XP machine using KDE-Installer.  I've ended up with v1.0.0-beta5 and KDE 4.3.4, and I've never used digiKam or KDE before.
>>
>> When I add photos to the Light Table, I can't see them there.  Each one that I add increments the count displayed at the bottom of the Light Table, but each pane remains blank, displaying "Drag and drop and image here".
>>
>> The Thumbbar displays a blue folder symbol for each image I try to add (even if it's the same one again), instead of the image itself.
>>
>> Any idea what has gone wrong here?  Something else I need to install?
>>
>> Apologies if this has been asked before, I couldn't see anything in the archives.
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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Le 12/12/2009 07:31, Peter Shute a écrit :
> If a bug that serious is well known but there's no bug offically submitted then it sounds like the Windows version is definitely to be avoided.
>
> Can anyone recommend which Linux distribution to try?  I've never used any of them before. This poll suggests Ubuntu is most popular, but I don't know how old it is:
> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/188

I use and like openSUSE for years now

http://www.opensuse.org/fr/

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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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Peter,

If you is able to compile digiKam under windows, it will be better to
checkout code from svn trunk and to try as well.

This week end i will be busy.... Christmas time arrive and i need to
prepare the event. But next week, i can take a look at this bug. I
think it just a little dysfunction somewhere... because it work fine
with previous version 1.0.0-beta. It must be fixed for 1.0.0 final...

Also, please create a new entry in KDE bugzilla, at digiKam/lighttable section.

Thanks in advance

Gilles Caulier

2009/12/12 jdd-gmane <[hidden email]>:

> Le 12/12/2009 07:31, Peter Shute a écrit :
>> If a bug that serious is well known but there's no bug offically submitted then it sounds like the Windows version is definitely to be avoided.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend which Linux distribution to try?  I've never used any of them before. This poll suggests Ubuntu is most popular, but I don't know how old it is:
>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/188
>
> I use and like openSUSE for years now
>
> http://www.opensuse.org/fr/
>
> jdd
>
>
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

Gilles Caulier-4
Peter,

As you can see, all work fine under linux with current implementation from svn :

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2694/4177848789_d6f9d03a8a_b.jpg

Gilles Caulier

2009/12/12 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:

> Peter,
>
> If you is able to compile digiKam under windows, it will be better to
> checkout code from svn trunk and to try as well.
>
> This week end i will be busy.... Christmas time arrive and i need to
> prepare the event. But next week, i can take a look at this bug. I
> think it just a little dysfunction somewhere... because it work fine
> with previous version 1.0.0-beta. It must be fixed for 1.0.0 final...
>
> Also, please create a new entry in KDE bugzilla, at digiKam/lighttable section.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2009/12/12 jdd-gmane <[hidden email]>:
>> Le 12/12/2009 07:31, Peter Shute a écrit :
>>> If a bug that serious is well known but there's no bug offically submitted then it sounds like the Windows version is definitely to be avoided.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend which Linux distribution to try?  I've never used any of them before. This poll suggests Ubuntu is most popular, but I don't know how old it is:
>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/188
>>
>> I use and like openSUSE for years now
>>
>> http://www.opensuse.org/fr/
>>
>> jdd
>>
>>
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This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
would be wonderful !

Some users in my company will use digiKam to manage their photo
collection instead of Adobe Lightroom 2.0.

Patrick Spendin said the 8/12/2009 on kde-windows mailing list :

Hi all,

I am just giving you a short note that KDE 4.3.4 has been uploaded now.

It is based on the latest release of Qt 4.6.0; This also means that some
packages from the earlier 4.3.3 release might break (due to a packaging
error in the 4.3.3 release).
It includes a package of the koffice suite in version 2.1.0, a new
konversation package in version 1.2.1, a ktorrent package in version 3.3.1.

If you'd like to see other packages with recent releases (from extragear
etc.), just give us a hint here.

I will add the digikam 1.0.0 release next week.


Le 12/12/2009 09:53, Gilles Caulier a écrit :

> Peter,
>
> If you is able to compile digiKam under windows, it will be better to
> checkout code from svn trunk and to try as well.
>
> This week end i will be busy.... Christmas time arrive and i need to
> prepare the event. But next week, i can take a look at this bug. I
> think it just a little dysfunction somewhere... because it work fine
> with previous version 1.0.0-beta. It must be fixed for 1.0.0 final...
>
> Also, please create a new entry in KDE bugzilla, at digiKam/lighttable section.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2009/12/12 jdd-gmane<[hidden email]>:
>    
>> Le 12/12/2009 07:31, Peter Shute a �crit :
>>      
>>> If a bug that serious is well known but there's no bug offically submitted then it sounds like the Windows version is definitely to be avoided.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend which Linux distribution to try? �I've never used any of them before. This poll suggests Ubuntu is most popular, but I don't know how old it is:
>>> http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/188
>>>        
>> I use and like openSUSE for years now
>>
>> http://www.opensuse.org/fr/
>>
>> jdd
>>
>>
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Le 12/12/2009 11:48, Laurent Espitallier a écrit :
> This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
> would be wonderful !

is the light table really necessary? I never understood it's usage :-(

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Bugzilla from andi.clemens@gmx.net
Just because you don't use / understand it, it doesn't make the LightTable
useless for everyone. :-)

Anyway I just compiled trunk again under Windows (don't do this too often
because it is so slow) and it works just fine here.

Andi  Clemens

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On Saturday 12 December 2009 12:02:46 jdd-gmane wrote:
> Le 12/12/2009 11:48, Laurent Espitallier a écrit :
> > This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
> > would be wonderful !
>
> is the light table really necessary? I never understood it's usage :-(
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Le 12/12/2009 12:02, jdd-gmane a écrit :

> Le 12/12/2009 11:48, Laurent Espitallier a �crit :
>    
>> This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
>> would be wonderful !
>>      
> is the light table really necessary? I never understood it's usage :-(
>
> jdd
>
>    
I use it to compare similar series of photos and keep or post process
only the one I prefer.

Don't know if there is any other usage.


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2009/12/12 Laurent Espitallier <[hidden email]>:
> Le 12/12/2009 12:02, jdd-gmane a écrit :
>> Le 12/12/2009 11:48, Laurent Espitallier a �crit :
>>
>>> This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
>>> would be wonderful !
>>>
>> is the light table really necessary? I never understood it's usage :-(
>>

Yes, definitively.

>> jdd
>>
>>
> I use it to compare similar series of photos and keep or post process
> only the one I prefer.
>
> Don't know if there is any other usage.

Yes, it's too compare similar image. It's for pro photographer usage.
A similar tool exist in LR

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Gilles Caulier-4
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2009/12/12 Andi Clemens <[hidden email]>:
> Just because you don't use / understand it, it doesn't make the LightTable
> useless for everyone. :-)
>
> Anyway I just compiled trunk again under Windows (don't do this too often
> because it is so slow) and it works just fine here.
>
> Andi  Clemens

Thanks Andi to test it under Windows.

Peter, using current code from svn is the solution for you...

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Le 12/12/2009 12:27, Laurent Espitallier a écrit :

> I use it to compare similar series of photos and keep or post process
> only the one I prefer.
>
> Don't know if there is any other usage.

I do the same, but in the editor. I prefere to have the largest
possible view to choose

I only wondered if this function is unavoidable and to know if I miss
a usefull function (I know I miss many new features, because I use
digikam for several years now and I'm not aware of all what is new)

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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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2009/12/12 jdd <[hidden email]>:
> Le 12/12/2009 12:27, Laurent Espitallier a écrit :
>
>> I use it to compare similar series of photos and keep or post process
>> only the one I prefer.
>>
>> Don't know if there is any other usage.
>
> I do the same, but in the editor. I prefere to have the largest
> possible view to choose

It's not enough. You cannot compare side by side at the same time.
Both panel in Light table are synchronized for panning and zooming !
you can check details in-deep and see which item is better to post
process.

Image can be loaded in full size in Light Table. There is an option in
digiKam setup panel...

Gilles


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> I only wondered if this function is unavoidable and to know if I miss
> a usefull function (I know I miss many new features, because I use
> digikam for several years now and I'm not aware of all what is new)
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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

Gilles Caulier-4
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2009/12/12 Laurent Espitallier <[hidden email]>:
> This is really annoying, however if you could fix it next week, that
> would be wonderful !
>
> Some users in my company will use digiKam to manage their photo
> collection instead of Adobe Lightroom 2.0.

Really ? great to hear ! Thanks to use it...

Which compagny, and which workflow ?

And under windows ?

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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

Laurent Espitallier
Le 12/12/2009 12:58, Gilles Caulier a écrit :
> Really ? great to hear ! Thanks to use it...
>
> Which compagny, and which workflow ?
>
> And under windows ?
>
> Gilles
>    

The company is "Conseil général de l'Isère"

I work in the computer support department, as far as I know digiKam will
be used by at least 2 persons in the "Service de la communication
interne" which is responsible of the intranet, an internal monthly
newspaper and many other events for the 4600 employees of the company.

I know some other departments are also interested like the "Direction de
la communication externe" (They publish "Isère Magazine" that millions
of people read each month) or the "Direction de la culture et du
patrimoine" (they both have official internal photographers)... but
nothing is done yet.

In fact they knew Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 2.0, some of them even had a
demonstration of it a few month ago during a training. So they ordered
the software to my departement.
The problem with that is we were at the end of the year and operating
budget was running extremely low. On top of that we were asked by Adobe
to send them proof we acquired legally their software (Acrobat,
Photoshop, Indesign,Illustrator, etc.) which is a lot of work for my
department !!!

Many users in my company don't know that there is open source
alternatives so they always asks for well known Adobe Software like
Photoshop (althought few of them use it like a professional). Finally we
tend in general to reduce the software catalog users can buy, so as my
crew chief knew I have some knowledge on open source and free sofware
she asked me to find an alternative to Adobe Photoshop Lightroom.

As an openSUSE user I immediately thought to digiKam, I knew a Windows
build existed with the KDE on windows project. I asked a few questions
to the "Service de la communication interne", as their photo library was
growing and they had a DSLR, they needed a software which could read RAW
files and access the photo library "without browsing folders". I
explained them the principle of tags, how they could modify their
photographs and talked about the quality of some algorithms like the new
wavelet noise reduction tool. I installed the software on a computer
with Windows so a person could evaluate it and warned the user it was
only a beta version, he understood very well and said me they will not
begin to work on their photo library before next year anyway and that
with what I said the software should fit perfectly. I also understood
that one computer will be in self-service, photos will be stored on its
hard drive and backed up regularily on an external USB hard drive.

So I don't know the exact workflow they will use, but I think they will
create albums for already stored photos, import new photos from the
DSLR, and sometimes post process them. Of course I will help them if
they have any problem at the beginning.

I'll explain you the exact workflow when they will be in "production".


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Re: Images not visible on Light Table

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Le 12/12/2009 12:55, Gilles Caulier a écrit :

> Image can be loaded in full size in Light Table. There is an option in
> digiKam setup panel...

digikam is really a master work... congratulation

jdd

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