Hi all digiKam users/team,
Like you have seen last week, I have started a new implementation of metadata viewer using libExiv2 instead the current Exif viewer using libkexif. A fresh screenshot can be seen here : http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha6.png After any days of indeep testing, the implementation is more mature. Like you can see in this screenshot, we have : - A standard Exif metatada viewer. - An Exif Maker Notes viewer - An IPTC metadata viewer. - Support of CRW metadata (thanks exiv2) - Support of Raw profiles embedded (Exif/IPTC) in PNG files built by ImageMagick during JPEG -> PNG conversion. - Each sidebar tab can be filtered to "Simple" (user friendly: the more important for photograph) and to "Full" (all metadata). - All metadata groups are more visible than old Exif viewer. The implementation is based on 2 parts : -> One metadata extractor witch detect the file type and use a dedicaced loader to construct Exiv2 metadata container. Actually JPEG, PNG and CRW files are supported. I have planed to do TIFF/DNG files and any others RAW files like NEF (Paco if you is interresed (:=)))) and MRW. The implementation is similar to Digikam::DImg container (about loader)... -> A large collection of widgets to display metadata in sidebar. I will provide a patch against svn in a near future... Plan outside 0.9.0 issue : - add a button to copy metadata info in clipboard. - add a button to print metadata. - make Iptc viewer like Iptc Editor about file supported in writting mode using Exiv2. - add Xmp support (I hope that Xmp will be supported to Exiv2 in the future) - add a metada setup filter like in KPhotoAlbum. Current Exiv2 problems (correct me if i'm wrong (:=))) : - The tags descriptions exist in Exiv2 but I can access it easily in my implementation... - The exiv2 lib isn't yet i18n using gettext (like libexif). I suppose that point is pending. Important notice to digiKam developpers : the better way to support more file formats in digiKam about metadata extraction (like new RAW files) is to contrib on Exiv2 project. I will only make any read only metadata loader in digiKam (like for TIFF file). This code could be used later in exiv2 if necessary... Thanks for your comments. Gilles Caulier. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Le Mardi 28 Février 2006 11:09, Gilles Caulier a écrit :
> Hi all digiKam users/team, > > Like you have seen last week, I have started a new implementation of > metadata viewer using libExiv2 instead the current Exif viewer using > libkexif. > > A fresh screenshot can be seen here : > > http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha6.png > > After any days of indeep testing, the implementation is more mature. Like > you can see in this screenshot, we have : > > - A standard Exif metatada viewer. > - An Exif Maker Notes viewer > - An IPTC metadata viewer. > - Support of CRW metadata (thanks exiv2) > - Support of Raw profiles embedded (Exif/IPTC) in PNG files built by > ImageMagick during JPEG -> PNG conversion. > - Each sidebar tab can be filtered to "Simple" (user friendly: the more > important for photograph) and to "Full" (all metadata). > - All metadata groups are more visible than old Exif viewer. > > The implementation is based on 2 parts : > > -> One metadata extractor witch detect the file type and use a dedicaced > loader to construct Exiv2 metadata container. Actually JPEG, PNG and CRW > files are supported. I have planed to do TIFF/DNG files and any others RAW > files like NEF (Paco if you is interresed (:=)))) and MRW. The > implementation is similar to Digikam::DImg container (about loader)... > > -> A large collection of widgets to display metadata in sidebar. > > I will provide a patch against svn in a near future... > Here we are a patch against current digikam from svn 'trunk' branch : http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/misc.tarballs/metadata.diff Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Hi,
Thanks for using Exiv2! On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:39, Gilles Caulier wrote: > Le Mardi 28 Février 2006 11:09, Gilles Caulier a écrit : > > Hi all digiKam users/team, > > > > Like you have seen last week, I have started a new implementation of > > metadata viewer using libExiv2 instead the current Exif viewer using > > libkexif. > > > > A fresh screenshot can be seen here : > > > > http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha6.png Nice pictures. I noticed that the metadata is shown as plain values as opposed to human readable strings, e.g., "ResolutionUnit 2" as opposed to "ResolutionUnit inch". Can the user change that with the "Level of detail" setting ("Simple" sounds like not everything is shown though)? Especially for makernotes, the more readable expressions might be more useful than plain values. You can get these easily by using the output operator for Exifdatum. > > Current Exiv2 problems (correct me if i'm wrong (:=))) : > > - The tags descriptions exist in Exiv2 but I can access it easily in my > implementation... Assuming this should read "can _not_ access it easily" and refers to the commented code in eg, ExifWidget::getTagDescription(): What about smth like this (ignoring the conversions from and to QString): try { Exiv2::ExifKey ek(key); return Exiv2::ExifTags::tagDesc(ek.tag(), ek.ifdId()); } catch (Exiv2::AnyError& e) { // not an Exif key } Admittedly, this is still not really nice. And yes, it doesn't use gettext yet. Thanks for encouraging contributions to Exiv2. i18n support is a particularly good candidate for someone who knows or would like to learn gettext. > > Here we are a patch against current digikam from svn 'trunk' branch : > > http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/misc.tarballs/metadata.diff In DMetaLoader::loadWithExiv2() + Exiv2::ExifData& exifData = image->exifData(); ----------^ Reference to prevent copying (and similar for Iptc). + catch( Exiv2::AnyError &e ) ----------^^^ Baseclass in case future versions have more error classes + { + kdDebug() << "Cannot load metadata using Exiv2 (" << e << ")" << endl; If you wanted the error message instead of just a code ------^ + return false; + } Further down, there is this remark: + // We trying to load exif data using likexif from THM file (thumbnail) if exist, // especially provided by recent USM camera. When reading from Canon CRW files, it might be interesting to check if there is a correspoding THM file and use that instead. (At least some) Canon cameras write such files together with CRW files and they contain the complete Exif metadata instead of only a small subset, like the CRW file. Exiv2 can read Canon THM files, they are just small Jpegs. > > Gilles Caulier Regards, Andreas _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Le Mardi 28 Février 2006 04:51 PM, Andreas Huggel a écrit :
> Hi, > > Thanks for using Exiv2! > > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 19:39, Gilles Caulier wrote: > > Le Mardi 28 Février 2006 11:09, Gilles Caulier a écrit : > > > Hi all digiKam users/team, > > > > > > Like you have seen last week, I have started a new implementation of > > > metadata viewer using libExiv2 instead the current Exif viewer using > > > libkexif. > > > > > > A fresh screenshot can be seen here : > > > > > > http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha6.png > > Nice pictures. I noticed that the metadata is shown as plain values as > opposed to human readable strings, e.g., "ResolutionUnit 2" as opposed to > "ResolutionUnit inch". Can the user change that with the "Level of detail" > setting ("Simple" sounds like not everything is shown though)? Especially > for makernotes, the more readable expressions might be more useful than > plain values. You can get these easily by using the output operator for > Exifdatum. I have tried to do it like this : for (Exiv2::ExifData::iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != exifData.end(); ++md) { ... Exiv2::Exifdatum ed = exifData[md->key().c_str()]; ... } ... but after, i need to do what exactly ? And another question : how to get a more user friendly value of tag. The Exif data are sometime uninterpreted number values instead of strings. EG for a Nikon Camera there is a FlashpixVersion string which ist shown as 48 49 48 48 probably meaning 1.00. Other things like exposure time (and many more) are displayed as a fraction (10/200) instead of a clearer value (1/20). This kind of interpretation problems happen in many other EXIF tags as well. There is a way in Exiv2 to solve it or i need to polish the Exiv2 output in digiKam ? > > > Current Exiv2 problems (correct me if i'm wrong (:=))) : > > > > - The tags descriptions exist in Exiv2 but I can access it easily in my > > implementation... > > Assuming this should read "can _not_ access it easily" and refers to the > commented code in eg, ExifWidget::getTagDescription(): What about smth like > this (ignoring the conversions from and to QString): > > try { > Exiv2::ExifKey ek(key); > return Exiv2::ExifTags::tagDesc(ek.tag(), ek.ifdId()); > } > catch (Exiv2::AnyError& e) { > // not an Exif key > } > > Admittedly, this is still not really nice. And yes, it doesn't use gettext > yet. Ok descriptions implemented. Work fine. > > Thanks for encouraging contributions to Exiv2. i18n support is a > particularly good candidate for someone who knows or would like to learn > gettext. > > > Here we are a patch against current digikam from svn 'trunk' branch : > > > > http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/misc.tarballs/metadata.diff > > In DMetaLoader::loadWithExiv2() > > + Exiv2::ExifData& exifData = image->exifData(); > ----------^ > Reference to prevent copying (and similar for Iptc). > > + catch( Exiv2::AnyError &e ) > ----------^^^ Baseclass in case future versions have more error > classes > + { > + kdDebug() << "Cannot load metadata using Exiv2 (" << e << ")" << > endl; > If you wanted the error message instead of just a code ------^ > + return false; > + } > Ok, i will fix it. > Further down, there is this remark: > > + // We trying to load exif data using likexif from THM file (thumbnail) > if exist, > // especially provided by recent USM camera. > > When reading from Canon CRW files, it might be interesting to check if > there is a correspoding THM file and use that instead. (At least some) > Canon cameras write such files together with CRW files and they contain the > complete Exif metadata instead of only a small subset, like the CRW file. > Exiv2 can read Canon THM files, they are just small Jpegs. > This job is now implemented in digiKam camera interface. If a .thm file is found, i will use this file to display metadata. For example, with my Minolta 5D, all RAW files are associed with a small .thm file. Thanks for you help Andreas Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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>And another question : how to get a more user friendly value of tag. The Exif >data are sometime uninterpreted number values instead of strings. EG for a >Nikon Camera there is a FlashpixVersion string which ist shown as 48 49 48 48 >probably meaning 1.00. Other things like exposure time (and many more) are >displayed as a fraction (10/200) instead of a clearer value (1/20). This kind >of interpretation problems happen in many other EXIF tags as well. > >There is a way in Exiv2 to solve it or i need to polish the Exiv2 output in >digiKam ? > > for (Exiv2::ExifData::const_iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != end; ++md) { std::ostringstream os; os << *md; // then work with os.str() } This provides the more readable tag values, it will take care of many but not all of these issues, because not all tags have a "pretty-print-function" and in some cases you may want more logic e.g. to choose a tag depending on its availability. E.g., for Exposure time try the ExposureTime tag, if it doesn't exist, try ShutterSpeedValue. If a pretty-print-function is missing, let me know, it can easily be added. All that is needed is a function which is registered in the tag lookup table. For example, look for print0x0112 in tags.[ch]pp. For sample code to print a summary of the Exif data, see Print::printSummary() in actions.cpp (used in the exiv2 utility). -ahu. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Le Jeudi 2 Mars 2006 02:29, vous avez écrit :
> Caulier Gilles wrote: > >And another question : how to get a more user friendly value of tag. The > > Exif data are sometime uninterpreted number values instead of strings. EG > > for a Nikon Camera there is a FlashpixVersion string which ist shown as > > 48 49 48 48 probably meaning 1.00. Other things like exposure time (and > > many more) are displayed as a fraction (10/200) instead of a clearer > > value (1/20). This kind of interpretation problems happen in many other > > EXIF tags as well. > > > >There is a way in Exiv2 to solve it or i need to polish the Exiv2 output > > in digiKam ? > > Exiv2::ExifData::const_iterator end = exifData.end(); > for (Exiv2::ExifData::const_iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != > end; ++md) { > std::ostringstream os; > os << *md; > // then work with os.str() > } > ok. I have used this way. All tags value are displayed nicely now. thanks (:=)) > This provides the more readable tag values, it will take care of many > but not all of these issues, because not all tags have a > "pretty-print-function" and in some cases you may want more logic e.g. > to choose a tag depending on its availability. E.g., for Exposure time > try the ExposureTime tag, if it doesn't exist, try ShutterSpeedValue. > > If a pretty-print-function is missing, let me know, it can easily be > added. All that is needed is a function which is registered in the tag > lookup table. For example, look for print0x0112 in tags.[ch]pp. > > For sample code to print a summary of the Exif data, see > Print::printSummary() in actions.cpp (used in the exiv2 utility). right. I will take a look. Ok, we have improved the "tag values" output. Now, still the problem to do an user friendly output of "tag names" like : DateTimeOriginal ==> Image timestamp. In ExifWidget::decodeMetadata() my implementation is : ... for (Exiv2::ExifData::iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != exifData.end(); ++md) { QString key = QString::fromLocal8Bit(md->key().c_str()); // Decode the tag value with a user friendly output. std::ostringstream os; os << *md; QString value = QString::fromLocal8Bit(os.str().c_str()); // We apply a filter to get only standard Exif tags, not maker notes. if (stdExifFilter.contains(key.section(".", 1, 1))) metaDataMap.insert(key, value); } There is a way to make it automaticly using Exiv2 ? Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Le Mardi 28 Février 2006 16:51, Andreas Huggel a écrit :
> In DMetaLoader::loadWithExiv2() > > + Exiv2::ExifData& exifData = image->exifData(); > ----------^ > Reference to prevent copying (and similar for Iptc). > > + catch( Exiv2::AnyError &e ) > ----------^^^ Baseclass in case future versions have more error > classes > + { > + kdDebug() << "Cannot load metadata using Exiv2 (" << e << ")" << > endl; > If you wanted the error message instead of just a code ------^ > + return false; > + } Ok. Implementation fixed. I wil provide a new diff against svn trunk... Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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>Ok, we have improved the "tag values" output. Now, still the problem to do an >user friendly output of "tag names" like : > >DateTimeOriginal ==> Image timestamp. > > I missed that one out. Try Exiv2::ExifTags::tagTitle(), I think this is what you are looking for, although these labels may need tweaking. Suggestions welcome. >In ExifWidget::decodeMetadata() my implementation is : > >... > >for (Exiv2::ExifData::iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != exifData.end(); >++md) > { > QString key = QString::fromLocal8Bit(md->key().c_str()); > > // Decode the tag value with a user friendly output. > std::ostringstream os; > os << *md; > QString value = QString::fromLocal8Bit(os.str().c_str()); > > // We apply a filter to get only standard Exif tags, not maker >notes. > if (stdExifFilter.contains(key.section(".", 1, 1))) > metaDataMap.insert(key, value); > } > >There is a way to make it automaticly using Exiv2 ? > > anything that Exiv2 could do for you here. If anything, I suggest to decode the value only inside the if, i.e., only if you actually need it. -ahu. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hi all,
The version 2 of the metadata diff patch against 'trunk' svn is done. You can donwload it at this url : http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/misc.tarballs/metadata2.diff The patch can be applied from a fresh svn checkout like this : [gilles@lserv3 digikam]$ pwd /home/gilles/Documents/Devel/SVN/trunk/graphics.full/digikam [gilles@lserv3 digikam]$ patch -p0 < metadata2.diff patching file libs/dimg/dimg.cpp patching file libs/dimg/dimg.h patching file libs/dimg/dimgloader.cpp patching file libs/dimg/loaders/pngloader.cpp patching file libs/dimg/loaders/jpegloader.cpp patching file libs/dimg/loaders/rawloader.cpp patching file libs/dimg/Makefile.am patching file libs/dimg/dimgloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/dmetadata.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/dmetaloader.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/pngmetaloader.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/jpegmetaloader.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/dmetaloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/tiffmetaloader.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/pngmetaloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/rawmetaloader.cpp patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/jpegmetaloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/Makefile.am patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/tiffmetaloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/loaders/rawmetaloader.h patching file libs/dmetadata/Makefile.am patching file libs/dmetadata/dmetadata.h patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiessidebar.h patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiessidebardb.cpp patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiesexiftab.cpp patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiesexiftab.h patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiessidebarcamgui.cpp patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiessidebarcamgui.h patching file libs/imageproperties/Makefile.am patching file libs/imageproperties/imagepropertiessidebar.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/makernotewidget.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/exifwidget.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/iptcwidget.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/exifwidget.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatalistview.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/iptcwidget.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatalistview.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/mdkeylistviewitem.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/mdkeylistviewitem.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatawidget.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatalistviewitem.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/Makefile.am patching file libs/widgets/metadata/makernotewidget.cpp patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatawidget.h patching file libs/widgets/metadata/metadatalistviewitem.h patching file libs/widgets/Makefile.am patching file libs/Makefile.am patching file utilities/cameragui/cameraui.cpp [gilles@lserv3 digikam]$ What news : - Shorting automaticly Exif metadata groups by prefered photograph order : "Photograph Informations" and "Image Inforlations" are always on the top of the list (Request by Rainer) - Using user friendly tags values (Request by Rainer and Paco - thanks to Andreas) - Tags descriptions is implemented. If you select a tag and you use What's this menu, you will have a tooltip view appear. (thanks to Andreas) - New button to copy to clipboard all current metadata. - New button to print all current metadata. - Any widget optimizations and bugfix. There is a screenshot here : http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-alpha7.png TODO : trying to use user friendly tags name instead internal Exiv2 tags name. Andreas, how i can do it (if it's possible) ? All comments welcome... Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Le Jeudi 2 Mars 2006 12:09, vous avez écrit :
> Gilles Caulier wrote: > >Ok, we have improved the "tag values" output. Now, still the problem to do > > an user friendly output of "tag names" like : > > > >DateTimeOriginal ==> Image timestamp. > > I missed that one out. Try Exiv2::ExifTags::tagTitle(), I think this is > what you are looking for, although these labels may need tweaking. > Suggestions welcome. Ok. Implemented. work fine. Any tags title need to be improved. I will provide a full list. My second diff patch have been updated... > > >In ExifWidget::decodeMetadata() my implementation is : > > > >... > > > >for (Exiv2::ExifData::iterator md = exifData.begin(); md != > > exifData.end(); ++md) > > { > > QString key = QString::fromLocal8Bit(md->key().c_str()); > > > > // Decode the tag value with a user friendly output. > > std::ostringstream os; > > os << *md; > > QString value = QString::fromLocal8Bit(os.str().c_str()); > > > > // We apply a filter to get only standard Exif tags, not maker > >notes. > > if (stdExifFilter.contains(key.section(".", 1, 1))) > > metaDataMap.insert(key, value); > > } > > > >There is a way to make it automaticly using Exiv2 ? > > Not sure which part you'd like to have automated, but I can't see > anything that Exiv2 could do for you here. > If anything, I suggest to decode the value only inside the if, i.e., > only if you actually need it. I will take a look. Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Hash: SHA1 Hi list, I tried the patch, but now I get make[4]: Leaving directory `/var/compile/digikam_svn/graphics/digikam/libs/curves' Making all in dmetadata make[4]: Entering directory `/var/compile/digikam_svn/graphics/digikam/libs/dmetadata' make[4]: *** Keine Regel, um »all« zu erstellen. Schluss. there is no Makefile in dmetadata, only a Makefile.am. What can I do to overcome this error? Regards - Markus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEB1+gxxUzQSse11ARAoYaAJ0WsWvvn75zS/N2hc2mokom6vOH0gCcCOFQ X5WPadKf3Uv1fxCUozWwnWY= =+VSG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Le Jeudi 02 Mars 2006 10:12 PM, Markus Spring a écrit :
> Hi list, > > I tried the patch, but now I get > > make[4]: Leaving directory > `/var/compile/digikam_svn/graphics/digikam/libs/curves' Making all in > dmetadata > make[4]: Entering directory > `/var/compile/digikam_svn/graphics/digikam/libs/dmetadata' > make[4]: *** Keine Regel, um »all« zu erstellen. Schluss. > > there is no Makefile in dmetadata, only a Makefile.am. What can I do to > overcome this error? > > Regards - Markus because there are any new files/folders, after to apply the patch you need to restart make -f Makefile.cvs; .configure; ... etc. Gilles _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Does anybody have any experience in running Digikam on two machines (Digikam 0.8.1 Kubuntu Breezy on both) and sharing tags and image ratings? I am running Digikam on my laptop, and when I am traveling, I occasionally have time to do some tagging and rating on the images I download from the camera. I keep my "master archive" at home (containing at least ten times more images). Is there a way to import/preserve ratings and tags I created on the laptop during the transfer to my desktop Digikam? Thanks in advance, Sava _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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> Hi there, > > Does anybody have any experience in running Digikam on two machines > (Digikam 0.8.1 Kubuntu Breezy on both) and sharing tags and image ratings? > > I am running Digikam on my laptop, and when I am traveling, I occasionally > have time to do some tagging and rating on the images I download from the > camera. I keep my "master archive" at home (containing at least ten times > more images). > > Is there a way to import/preserve ratings and tags I created on the laptop > during the transfer to my desktop Digikam? > > Thanks in advance, > > Sava I do something similar. Supposed, you have the same picture set on both of your computers, you only need 'rsync' Must be part of your distro by default. Just type: 'rsync -aP -e ssh comp1:/your/pictures/root/folder/on/comp1 comp2:/pictures/root/foldere/on/comp2' (Of course without the quotes and all in one command.) comp1 is the name of the computer where you have the modified set. comp1: or comp2: is not necessary for the local computer. More info on rsync: 'man rsync' The only drawback is, that if you edit your existing pictures, database on both maschines without rsyncing between them, the older info will be lost. Feri _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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