Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

[Jens Benecke-2]

Hello everybody,

I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
on this topic first.
I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).

I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.

This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
found quite usable.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

[AndriusWild]

Jens,

That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.

1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.

2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols.

3. I do like have Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.

Thanks for the awesome suggestion!

Cheers,

Andrey

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

Hello everybody,

I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
on this topic first.
I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).

I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.

This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
found quite usable.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

[Jens Benecke]

Hi,

thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my email which showed the original layout.

Regarding your comments:

1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor) sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just like the extra wizard does now).

2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.

3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something like that).

But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:

„Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not see any use case that isn’t covered.

Plus we save lots on translation strings we don’t need any more.

„Metadata“: keep This is a „more details“ version of Properties. It would stay.

„Colors“: keep This - for me - is nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).

„Map“: remove The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.

„Captions“:

   Description remove - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain too.

   Tags keep - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by itself won’t be replaceable.

   Information keep - contains IPTC information about the author. Also not replaceable.

„Versions“: keep This is not covered.

„Filter“: keep Also not covered.

„Extras“: don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a menu, not an icon view.

I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can view it even without the correct fonts).

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Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:

Jens,

That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.

1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.

2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols.

3. I do like have Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.

Thanks for the awesome suggestion!

Cheers,

Andrey

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

Hello everybody,

I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
on this topic first.
I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).

I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.

This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
found quite usable.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

[Jens Benecke-2]

Hi,

thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my email which showed the original layout.

Regarding your comments:

1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor) sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just like the extra wizard does now).

2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.

3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something like that).

But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:

„Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not see any use case that isn’t covered.

Plus we save lots on translation strings we don’t need any more.

„Metadata“: keep This is a „more details“ version of Properties. It would stay.

„Colors“: keep This - for me - is nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).

„Map“: remove The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.

„Captions“:

   Description remove - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain too.

   Tags keep - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by itself won’t be replaceable.

   Information keep - contains IPTC information about the author. Also not replaceable.

„Versions“: keep This is not covered.

„Filter“: keep Also not covered.

„Extras“: don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a menu, not an icon view.

I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can view it even without the correct fonts).

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Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:

Jens,

That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.

1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.

2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols.

3. I do like have Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.

Thanks for the awesome suggestion!

Cheers,

Andrey

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

Hello everybody,

I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
on this topic first.
I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).

I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.

This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
found quite usable.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

[NeiNei]

Dear Jens,
I would be happy to find the usability/workflow suggestions being
implemented in Digikam. It would streamline things a bit.
Thanks,
NeiNei

On 12.02.2017 23:12, Jens Benecke wrote:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
> on this topic first.
> I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
> when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
> little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
> perform simple image management / organizational tasks.
>
> I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
> of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
> converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
> 80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
> list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
> which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).
>
> I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
> incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
> management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
> viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
> idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.
>
> This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
> found quite usable.
>
> Please have a look and tell me what you think.
>
> Thanks!
>
>

[Dan Dascalescu]

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jens Benecke <[hidden email]> wrote:

I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

Same here, I keep switching between tags and image properties such as size.

[AndriusWild]

Hello Jens,

I as a user 100% agree with your suggestions and comments.

Whether developers like the idea or not the only way to find out is to submit this suggestion in bugzilla.

Even if they don't want changing the current tabs this could be an awesome additional tab ("Summary")

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Jens Benecke <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my email which showed the original layout.

Regarding your comments:

1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor) sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just like the extra wizard does now).

2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.

3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something like that).

But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:

„Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not see any use case that isn’t covered.

Plus we save lots on translation strings we don’t need any more.

„Metadata“: keep This is a „more details“ version of Properties. It would stay.

„Colors“: keep This - for me - is nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).

„Map“: remove The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.

„Captions“:

   Description remove - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain too.

   Tags keep - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by itself won’t be replaceable.

   Information keep - contains IPTC information about the author. Also not replaceable.

„Versions“: keep This is not covered.

„Filter“: keep Also not covered.

„Extras“: don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a menu, not an icon view.

I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can view it even without the correct fonts).

--

Jens Benecke - [hidden email]

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Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:

Jens,

That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.

1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.

2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols.

3. I do like have Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.

Thanks for the awesome suggestion!

Cheers,

Andrey

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

Hello everybody,

I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
on this topic first.
I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
perform simple image management / organizational tasks.

I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).

I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.

This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
found quite usable.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

[Tobias Margiani]

Hi,

This looks really useful to me. Thanks for your work creating the mock up.
My only suggestions are adding the aspect ratio to the metadata field (on the
proposed tab) and add this in addition to the existing tabs instead of
removing them.
I would keep the other tabs because there are still some options which would
clutter the new tab but could benefit some users (or help people used to it).
Some examples are on the properties tab the file owner, in the caption tab the
caption author, or on the maps tab the larger view and the possibility to
change properties like the map type.

Best,
Tobias Margiani

On Montag, 13. Februar 2017 22:24:57 CET Jens Benecke wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my
> email which showed the original layout. Regarding your comments:
>
> 1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor)
> sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s
> date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main
> window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and
> editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog
> asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first
> selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just
> like the extra wizard does now).
>
> 2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now
> only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.
>
> 3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple
> existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called
> „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit
> common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the
> tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field
> should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something
> like that).
>
> But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean
> up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:
>
> „Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not
> see any use case that isn’t covered. Plus we save lots on translation
> strings we don’t need any more. „Metadata“: keep This is a „more details“
> version of Properties. It would stay. „Colors“: keep This - for me - is
> nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).
> „Map“: remove The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.
> „Captions“:
>    Description remove - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain
> too. Tags keep - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by
> itself won’t be replaceable. Information keep - contains IPTC information
> about the author. Also not replaceable. „Versions“: keep This is not
> covered.
> „Filter“: keep Also not covered.
> „Extras“: don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a
> menu, not an icon view.
>
> I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can
> view it even without the correct fonts).
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jens Benecke - [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Keine Lust auf Müll in ihrem Postfach? www.spamfreemail.de
> <http://www.spamfreemail.de/>
> > Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > Jens,
> >
> > That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.
> >
> > 1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To
> > edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.
> >
> > 2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little
> > squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office
> > Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised
> > if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols. 3. I do like have
> > Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button
> > would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you
> > suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.
> >
> > Thanks for the awesome suggestion!
> > Cheers,
> > Andrey
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
> > power of open source <[hidden email]> Subject: Idea for
> > improvement of metadata sidebar
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
> > on this topic first.
> > I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
> > when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
> > little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
> > perform simple image management / organizational tasks.
> >
> > I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
> > of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
> > converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
> > 80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
> > list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
> > which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).
> >
> > I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
> > incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
> > management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
> > viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
> > idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.
> >
> > This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
> > found quite usable.
> >
> > Please have a look and tell me what you think.
> >
> > Thanks!

[Gilles Caulier-4]

Please, descriptions and mockup must be resumed to a new entry in bugzilla. Like this we can assigned this entry as a new task for a student.

Gilles Caulier

2017-03-19 12:45 GMT+01:00 Tobias Margiani <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

This looks really useful to me. Thanks for your work creating the mock up.
My only suggestions are adding the aspect ratio to the metadata field (on the
proposed tab) and add this in addition to the existing tabs instead of
removing them.
I would keep the other tabs because there are still some options which would
clutter the new tab but could benefit some users (or help people used to it).
Some examples are on the properties tab the file owner, in the caption tab the
caption author, or on the maps tab the larger view and the possibility to
change properties like the map type.

Best,
Tobias Margiani

On Montag, 13. Februar 2017 22:24:57 CET Jens Benecke wrote:
> Hi,
>
> thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my
> email which showed the original layout. Regarding your comments:
>
> 1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor)
> sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s
> date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main
> window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and
> editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog
> asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first
> selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just
> like the extra wizard does now).
>
> 2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now
> only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.
>
> 3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple
> existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called
> „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit
> common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the
> tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field
> should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something
> like that).
>
> But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean
> up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:
>
> „Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not
> see any use case that isn’t covered. Plus we save lots on translation
> strings we don’t need any more. „Metadata“:   keep    This is a „more details“
> version of Properties. It would stay. „Colors“:               keep    This - for me - is
> nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).
> „Map“:                remove  The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.
> „Captions“:
>    Description        remove  - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain
> too. Tags             keep    - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by
> itself won’t be replaceable. Information      keep    - contains IPTC information
> about the author. Also not replaceable. „Versions“:   keep    This is not
> covered.
> „Filter“:             keep    Also not covered.
> „Extras“:             don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a
> menu, not an icon view.
>
> I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can
> view it even without the correct fonts).
>
>
>
>

> --
> Jens Benecke - [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Keine Lust auf Müll in ihrem Postfach? www.spamfreemail.de
> <http://www.spamfreemail.de/>
> > Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:
> >

> > Jens,
> >
> > That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.
> >
> > 1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To
> > edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.
> >
> > 2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little
> > squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office
> > Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised
> > if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols. 3. I do like have
> > Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button
> > would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you
> > suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.
> >
> > Thanks for the awesome suggestion!
> > Cheers,
> > Andrey
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
> > power of open source <[hidden email]> Subject: Idea for
> > improvement of metadata sidebar
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
> > on this topic first.
> > I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
> > when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
> > little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
> > perform simple image management / organizational tasks.
> >
> > I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
> > of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
> > converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
> > 80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
> > list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
> > which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).
> >
> > I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
> > incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
> > management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
> > viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
> > idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.
> >
> > This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
> > found quite usable.
> >
> > Please have a look and tell me what you think.
> >
> > Thanks!

[AndriusWild]

I agree on a separate tab. It could be a good "Quick Access" tab.

-------- Original message --------

From: Tobias Margiani <[hidden email]>

Date: 2017-03-19 5:45 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: Idea for improvement of metadata sidebar

Hi,

This looks really useful to me. Thanks for your work creating the mock up.
My only suggestions are adding the aspect ratio to the metadata field (on the
proposed tab) and add this in addition to the existing tabs instead of
removing them.
I would keep the other tabs because there are still some options which would
clutter the new tab but could benefit some users (or help people used to it).
Some examples are on the properties tab the file owner, in the caption tab the
caption author, or on the maps tab the larger view and the possibility to
change properties like the map type.

Best,
Tobias Margiani

On Montag, 13. Februar 2017 22:24:57 CET Jens Benecke wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot attached to my
> email which showed the original layout. Regarding your comments:
>
> 1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side (= editor)
> sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected image(s)’s
> date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of Digikam’s main
> window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date range and
> editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a confirmation dialog
> asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the first
> selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates - just
> like the extra wizard does now).
>
> 2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically just like now
> only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five different tabs.
>
> 3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to replace multiple
> existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first one called
> „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view and edit
> common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having to use the
> tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag input field
> should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or something
> like that).
>
> But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the potential to clean
> up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:
>
> „Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now I do not
> see any use case that isn’t covered. Plus we save lots on translation
> strings we don’t need any more. „Metadata“: keep This is a „more details“
> version of Properties. It would stay. „Colors“: keep This - for me - is
> nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in Digikam).
> „Map“: remove The map would become part of the dashboard. Smaller, though.
> „Captions“:
>    Description remove - contains most of what the Dashboard will contain
> too. Tags keep - contain the tag tree and an entry field. The tree by
> itself won’t be replaceable. Information keep - contains IPTC information
> about the author. Also not replaceable. „Versions“: keep This is not
> covered.
> „Filter“: keep Also not covered.
> „Extras“: don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO - only belong into a
> menu, not an icon view.
>
> I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so you can
> view it even without the correct fonts).
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jens Benecke - [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Keine Lust auf Müll in ihrem Postfach? www.spamfreemail.de
> <http://www.spamfreemail.de/>
> > Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > Jens,
> >
> > That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.
> >
> > 1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on that date. To
> > edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.
> >
> > 2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5 little
> > squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via Libre Office
> > Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be surprised
> > if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols. 3. I do like have
> > Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so Minimize/Maximize button
> > would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works just like you
> > suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at the moment.
> >
> > Thanks for the awesome suggestion!
> > Cheers,
> > Andrey
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)
> > To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
> > power of open source <[hidden email]> Subject: Idea for
> > improvement of metadata sidebar
> >
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org since I would like some discussion
> > on this topic first.
> > I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My workflow
> > when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect this a
> > little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in Digikam to
> > perform simple image management / organizational tasks.
> >
> > I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and usability
> > of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
> > converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which covers
> > 80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it is just a
> > list of image and file properties and not used for editing at all -
> > which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).
> >
> > I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
> > incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for simple asset
> > management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing dates and
> > viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single sidebar. The
> > idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.
> >
> > This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of metadata which I
> > found quite usable.
> >
> > Please have a look and tell me what you think.
> >
> > Thanks!

[Jens Benecke-2]

Have done so. See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377857

Thanks!

Jens


Am 19.03.2017 um 13:06 schrieb Gilles Caulier:

> Please, descriptions and mockup must be resumed to a new entry in
> bugzilla. Like this we can assigned this entry as a new task for a
> student.
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2017-03-19 12:45 GMT+01:00 Tobias Margiani <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     This looks really useful to me. Thanks for your work creating the
>     mock up.
>     My only suggestions are adding the aspect ratio to the metadata
>     field (on the
>     proposed tab) and add this in addition to the existing tabs instead of
>     removing them.
>     I would keep the other tabs because there are still some options
>     which would
>     clutter the new tab but could benefit some users (or help people
>     used to it).
>     Some examples are on the properties tab the file owner, in the
>     caption tab the
>     caption author, or on the maps tab the larger view and the
>     possibility to
>     change properties like the map type.
>
>     Best,
>     Tobias Margiani
>
>     On Montag, 13. Februar 2017 22:24:57 CET Jens Benecke wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > thanks for the feedback. There was also a PNG screenshot
>     attached to my
>     > email which showed the original layout. Regarding your comments:
>     >
>     > 1: This is not a left-side (= filter) sidebar but a right-side
>     (= editor)
>     > sidebar. So clicking on the date should modify the selected
>     image(s)’s
>     > date(s). „Select by date“ already exists on the left side of
>     Digikam’s main
>     > window. If multiple images are selected, this should show a date
>     range and
>     > editing this might even be used to shift dates (with a
>     confirmation dialog
>     > asking whether to set all dates to the same value or to use the
>     first
>     > selected image as base date and use the delta to shift all dates
>     - just
>     > like the extra wizard does now).
>     >
>     > 2: Ratings are shown to the right of the filename. Basically
>     just like now
>     > only that the basic image metadata isn’t spread over five
>     different tabs.
>     >
>     > 3: The tags tree should stay. My original idea was not to
>     replace multiple
>     > existing editing tabs but to only replace the (redundant) first
>     one called
>     > „Properties“. I was looking for a quick and compact way to view
>     and edit
>     > common metadata of selected images explicitly *without* having
>     to use the
>     > tree. If selected images have a non-unique set of tags, the tag
>     input field
>     > should reflect this (either show non-unique tags greyed out or
>     something
>     > like that).
>     >
>     > But coming to think of it, this dashboard would have the
>     potential to clean
>     > up the whole right sidebar. Here’s my thoughts:
>     >
>     > „Properties“: replace This can be completely replaced. As of now
>     I do not
>     > see any use case that isn’t covered. Plus we save lots on
>     translation
>     > strings we don’t need any more. „Metadata“:   keep   This is a
>     „more details“
>     > version of Properties. It would stay. „Colors“:            keep
>       This - for me - is
>     > nothing I use often (I use it on my camera often, but not in
>     Digikam).
>     > „Map“:                remove  The map would become part of the
>     dashboard. Smaller, though.
>     > „Captions“:
>     >    Description        remove  - contains most of what the
>     Dashboard will contain
>     > too. Tags             keep    - contain the tag tree and an
>     entry field. The tree by
>     > itself won’t be replaceable. Information      keep   - contains
>     IPTC information
>     > about the author. Also not replaceable. „Versions“:   keep  
>     This is not
>     > covered.
>     > „Filter“:             keep    Also not covered.
>     > „Extras“:             don’t know, these are tools that - IMHO -
>     only belong into a
>     > menu, not an icon view.
>     >
>     > I updated my mockup in the attachment plus added a screenshot so
>     you can
>     > view it even without the correct fonts).
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Jens Benecke - [hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]> <mailto:[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     > Keine Lust auf Müll in ihrem Postfach?www.spamfreemail.de <http://www.spamfreemail.de>
>     > <http://www.spamfreemail.de/>
>     > > Am 13.02.2017 um 00:22 schrieb Andrey Goreev <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>     > >
>     > > Jens,
>     > >
>     > > That looks interesting. I do have a couple of suggestions though.
>     > >
>     > > 1. Click on the date should better show all images taken on
>     that date. To
>     > > edit date we better have an "edit" button beside.
>     > >
>     > > 2. Ratings. I don't see them in your spreadsheet. Are these 5
>     little
>     > > squares in top right corner tags? I opened the document via
>     Libre Office
>     > > Viewer app for Android which is still pretty raw so I won't be
>     surprised
>     > > if it does not show some embedded pictures or symbols. 3. I do
>     like have
>     > > Tags Tree uncollupsed when tagging my pics so
>     Minimize/Maximize button
>     > > would work best I think. When Minimized it looks and works
>     just like you
>     > > suggested. When Maximized it looks and works like it does at
>     the moment.
>     > >
>     > > Thanks for the awesome suggestion!
>     > > Cheers,
>     > > Andrey
>     > >
>     > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>     > >
>     > > -------- Original message --------
>     > > From: Jens Benecke <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     > > Date: 2017-02-12 3:12 PM (GMT-07:00)
>     > > To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional
>     with the
>     > > power of open source <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> Subject: Idea for
>     > > improvement of metadata sidebar
>     > >
>     > > Hello everybody,
>     > >
>     > > I'm not posting this on bugs.kde.org <http://bugs.kde.org>
>     since I would like some discussion
>     > > on this topic first.
>     > > I originally come from iPhoto and similar commercial apps. My
>     workflow
>     > > when importing images (and videos) into Digikam might reflect
>     this a
>     > > little - I find myself constantly switching between tabs in
>     Digikam to
>     > > perform simple image management / organizational tasks.
>     > >
>     > > I think this can be improved a lot by modifying the layout and
>     usability
>     > > of Digikam's "Properties" sidebar (the top one on the right) and
>     > > converting it into a summary-/ dashboard kind of sidebar which
>     covers
>     > > 80-90% of all requirements in one single place. Currently it
>     is just a
>     > > list of image and file properties and not used for editing at
>     all -
>     > > which makes it kind of superfluous (IMHO).
>     > >
>     > > I have created a mockup of how this sidebar can be improved by
>     > > incorporating simple editing tasks. The idea is that for
>     simple asset
>     > > management tasks (adding titles, ratings and tags, editing
>     dates and
>     > > viewing basic image metadata) you *only* need this single
>     sidebar. The
>     > > idea is *NOT* to squeeze all possible metadata into one dialog.
>     > >
>     > > This is a little inspired by  iPhoto's organization of
>     metadata which I
>     > > found quite usable.
>     > >
>     > > Please have a look and tell me what you think.
>     > >
>     > > Thanks!
>
>
>