Greetings

[cgw993]

Greetings,

 

I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –

 

1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I had to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was not disclosed explicitly on installation.

 

2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to digikam.

 

3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though that the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.   Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube video on Ubunto.

 

 

Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not made adequate disclosure to it's users. 

 

My Digikam review Grade – F

 

Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!

 

 

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[haughtonomous]

I have nothing to do with the DK Team, but if you don't like the way it works in such a fundamental way, just use something else!

Apart from the unexpected internet connections, do you have any hard evidence that DK is spying on users? Stating that evidence would carry more weight than an unsupported allegation.

On Sep 2, 2013 9:40 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
>  
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –
>
>  
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I had to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was not disclosed explicitly on installation.
>
>  
>
> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to digikam.
>
>  
>
> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though that the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.   Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube video on Ubunto.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not made adequate disclosure to it's users. 
>
>  
>
> My Digikam review Grade – F
>
>  
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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[Gilles Caulier-4]

2013/9/2  <[hidden email]>:

> Greetings,
>
>
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –
>
>
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I had
> to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty
> does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have
> been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I
> uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was not
> disclosed explicitly on installation.

It's probably Geo-location feature through GoogleMaps or OpenStreetmap.

How did you check these internet connections ?

>
>
>
> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the computer
> to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software to
> begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control of
> their current photo organization to digikam.

Really ???

>
>
>
> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the
> software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything
> else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though that
> the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good
> example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did not
> like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.
> Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube
> video on Ubunto.
>
>
>
>
>
> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as long
> as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via
> some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not
> made adequate disclosure to it's users.
>
>
>
> My Digikam review Grade – F

Who are you exactly to judge this project and this team ?

>
>
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any
> other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear
> consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on
> the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!
>

I will not review this review anymore, from somebody who don't want to
learn how work the software, and write a mess and a dummy analysis of
a long time open-source project...


Gilles Caulier
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[Ignatius Reilly]

Hi buddy,

thanks for your esteemed review of Digikam. In your case I can only recommend Photoshop, which I am told is a splendid alternative to DK

I wouldn't bet that the DK community is such a hotbed of terrorists that Gilles would have been strong-armed by the French government to open a backdoor in DK...

Keep up the good work educating the populace
Cheers

[hidden email] thus spake on 02/09/13 20:38:

Greetings,

 

I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –

 

1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I had to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was not disclosed explicitly on installation.

 

2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to digikam.

 

3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though that the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.   Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube video on Ubunto.

 

 

Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not made adequate disclosure to it's users. 

 

My Digikam review Grade – F

 

Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!

 

 

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https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users

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[cgw993]

That is the stand by defense of software companies today, "prove we are abusing the users".  The review is intended, not for the users that have an interest in this software, and there are usually plenty of them camping out on these mailing lists, but rather to the user that may simply not know that that type of thing happens all the time.   When a company profits by spying on and abusing the users, that is essentially theft, actually it is worse because it is the kind of damage that keeps on damaging and the user has no control or recourse.

 

If the internet connections are not disclosed to the  user in a clear way – then the software package is likely doing things that  you would likely have said no to.   The "salesmen" types camping here will try hard to convince users that that isn't the case will not explain why the connections are there without user consent. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Neil Haughton
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:48 AM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power of open source
Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Greetings

 

I have nothing to do with the DK Team, but if you don't like the way it works in such a fundamental way, just use something else!

Apart from the unexpected internet connections, do you have any hard evidence that DK is spying on users? Stating that evidence would carry more weight than an unsupported allegation.

On Sep 2, 2013 9:40 AM, <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Greetings,
>
>  
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –
>
>  
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I had to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was not disclosed explicitly on installation.
>
>  
>
> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to digikam.
>
>  
>
> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though that the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.   Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube video on Ubunto.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not made adequate disclosure to it's users. 
>
>  
>
> My Digikam review Grade – F
>
>  
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Digikam-users mailing list
> [hidden email]
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users
>

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[Photonoxx]

Le Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:38:32 +0200, <[hidden email]> a écrit:

> Greetings,
>
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far -
>
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I  
> had
> to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty
> does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have
> been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I
> uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was  
> not disclosed explicitly on installation.

No comment, see Gilles answer

> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the  
> computer
> to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo management software  
> to
> begin with! It seems more designed to get the user to relinquish control  
> of
> their current photo organization to digikam.

Digikam doesn't offer the possibility to browse directly your drive, you  
have to define folder as collection to tell where photos are located and  
consequently which photos do want to manage with digikam.

It's a strange behavior for a spying program to permit you tell it which  
photos it can watch, no ?

Apart if you spread your photos everywhere in your drive, or your not  
enough patient to set digikam properly, I don't see a matter with digikam  
way of managing datas, and even in this case, you probably can set your  
entire drive as a collection, it's probably not the cleverest thing to do  
but it should be possible.

Think about other program which doesn't let you at all where you want to  
stock your pictures.

> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the
> software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything
> else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though  
> that
> the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good
> example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did  
> not
> like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the users.
> Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's youtube
> video on Ubunto.

It's something slightly different I thing, Ubuntu (not Ubunto) use some  
closed source elements, so, we can't know exactly what these elements  
does. Personally I use Ubuntu and don't really mind about this, I'm not  
sure Windows or MacOSX users are more protected in this case, and except  
if you use strongly secured internet connection and network (as using  
tor), each time you go on internet many server spy on you.

The fact Digikam is free software / open source doesn't just mean you can  
change it, it means too you can see what it does by reading the source,  
and since many years digikam exists, if it spy its users, I think it would  
be well known now ? Don't you think ?

If as suggest Gilles, the internet connection is initiated by geo-location  
online map feature, you may build your own digikam without these features  
or stop waste our time and use another software.


> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as  
> long
> as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not via
> some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has  
> not
> made adequate disclosure to it's users.

You give your permission by choosing it and installing it, but anyway I  
don't thing Digikam spy your datas. Does Firefox spying you because it  
opens internet connections ?


> My Digikam review Grade - F
>
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or any
> other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear
> consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on
> the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!

My review Grade : A since it's a wonderful "Free software" and should be  
encouraged as it merits !

--
Nicolas Boulesteix
Photographe chasseur de lueurs
http://www.photonoxx.fr
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[cgw993]

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
On Behalf Of Gilles Caulier
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:54 AM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power
of open source
Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Greetings

2013/9/2  <[hidden email]>:
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far -
>
>
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  I
had
> to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty
> does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have
> been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I
> uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was
not
> disclosed explicitly on installation.

It's probably Geo-location feature through GoogleMaps or OpenStreetmap.

How did you check these internet connections ?

>
>
>
> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the
> computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo
> management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the
> user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to digikam.

Really ???

>
>
>
> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the
> software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything
> else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though
that
> the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good
> example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did
> not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the
users.
> Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's
> youtube video on Ubunto.
>
>
>
>
>
> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as
> long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time, not
via
> some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has not
> made adequate disclosure to it's users.
>
>
>
> My Digikam review Grade - F

Who are you exactly to judge this project and this team ?

>
>
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or
> any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear
> consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on
> the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!
>

I will not review this review anymore, from somebody who don't want to learn
how work the software, and write a mess and a dummy analysis of a long time
open-source project...


Gilles Caulier


- I just want to organize my photos.  Good to know Google is involved, of
course they are.  Google loves "forced features", features that require a
great deal of work to turn off assuming it is even possible at all.
-I do not personally like digikams features, I am sure the "salesmen" types
here love the features.
-I was briefly a Digicam user, that is who I am.  If you want to subjugate
and profit by stealing peoples data and spying on them, try the full
disclosure route first.
-Last note - My posts generate replies because I am right.  There is never,
ever an excuse to allow a developer to subjugate and spy on users.  I can
only speak for myself in that the software seems extremely unethical and
since I am right, I hope to be able to help the 1 or 2 people that may get
this by having them think about the issue instead of blindly trusting the
software.
-I wonder how many more emails I will be here before some user subjugating
moderator censors me.



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[Veaceslav Munteanu-2]

> - I just want to organize my photos.  Good to know Google is involved, of
> course they are.  Google loves "forced features", features that require a
> great deal of work to turn off assuming it is even possible at all.
> -I do not personally like digikams features, I am sure the "salesmen" types
> here love the features.
> -I was briefly a Digicam user, that is who I am.  If you want to subjugate
> and profit by stealing peoples data and spying on them, try the full
> disclosure route first.
> -Last note - My posts generate replies because I am right.  There is never,
> ever an excuse to allow a developer to subjugate and spy on users.  I can
> only speak for myself in that the software seems extremely unethical and
> since I am right, I hope to be able to help the 1 or 2 people that may get
> this by having them think about the issue instead of blindly trusting the
> software.
> -I wonder how many more emails I will be here before some user subjugating
> moderator censors me.

Dude, digiKam is open source. If you think it have backdoors, please
download sources and check every line of code.

And, I think nobody needs your photos in the mirror :))
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[cgw993]

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
On Behalf Of Photonoxx
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:37 AM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power
of open source
Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Greetings

Le Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:38:32 +0200, <[hidden email]> a écrit:

> Greetings,
>
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far -
>
>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!  
> I had
> to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty
> does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have
> been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I
> uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was  
> not disclosed explicitly on installation.

No comment, see Gilles answer

> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the
> computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo
> management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the
> user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to
> digikam.

Digikam doesn't offer the possibility to browse directly your drive, you
have to define folder as collection to tell where photos are located and
consequently which photos do want to manage with digikam.

It's a strange behavior for a spying program to permit you tell it which
photos it can watch, no ?  Ugh.

Apart if you spread your photos everywhere in your drive, or your not enough
patient to set digikam properly, I don't see a matter with digikam way of
managing datas, and even in this case, you probably can set your entire
drive as a collection, it's probably not the cleverest thing to do but it
should be possible.

Think about other program which doesn't let you at all where you want to
stock your pictures.  Ugh ^2

> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the
> software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything
> else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though  
> that
> the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good
> example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did
> not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the
> users.
> Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's
> youtube video on Ubunto.

It's something slightly different I thing, Ubuntu (not Ubunto) use some
closed source elements, so, we can't know exactly what these elements does.
***It is clear you don’t know which part of Ubunto I referred to, watch the
video.**   Personally I use Ubuntu and don't really mind about this **Who
cares? Good that you have the freedom to decide though. Ubunto spies on
users, this is well documented and this takes away the users choice ***, I'm
not sure Windows or MacOSX users are more protected in this case, and except
if you use strongly secured internet connection and network (as using tor),
each time you go on internet many server spy on you. **Data still gets
transmitted, data that has nothing to do with what the users wants, and more
to do to supplying Google with YOUR data for Google's profit**

The fact Digikam is free software / open source doesn't just mean you can
change it, it means too you can see what it does by reading the source, and
since many years digikam exists, if it spy its users, I think it would be
well known now ? Don't you think ?  **Not necessarily, see Ubunto youtube
video by Richard Stallman and listen carefully**

If as suggest Gilles, the internet connection is initiated by geo-location
online map feature, you may build your own digikam without these features or
stop waste our time and use another software.  **Like I said, my intent is
to inform users that may not be aware of these issues., if the
moderator/salesman doesn’t like it, then can abuse their power by censoring
me**


> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as
> long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time,
> not via
> some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has  
> not
> made adequate disclosure to it's users.

You give your permission by choosing it and installing it **I did not give
it permission to open at least 3 internet connections without my consent and
especially not to allow Google access to any of my photos or other data**
but anyway I don't thing Digikam spy your datas ** Google, Adobe, Apple,
Microsoft and others also don’t believe they spy on people either and have
said so publically many times **  . Does Firefox spying you because it opens
internet connections  **What a clever point....:|**


> My Digikam review Grade - F
>
>
> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or
> any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear
> consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on
> the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!

My review Grade : A since it's a wonderful "Free software" and should be
encouraged as it merits !

--
Nicolas Boulesteix
Photographe chasseur de lueurs
http://www.photonoxx.fr
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[cgw993]

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
On Behalf Of Veaceslav Munteanu
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:44 AM
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power
of open source
Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Greetings

> - I just want to organize my photos.  Good to know Google is involved,
> of course they are.  Google loves "forced features", features that
> require a great deal of work to turn off assuming it is even possible at
all.

> -I do not personally like digikams features, I am sure the "salesmen"
> types here love the features.
> -I was briefly a Digicam user, that is who I am.  If you want to
> subjugate and profit by stealing peoples data and spying on them, try
> the full disclosure route first.
> -Last note - My posts generate replies because I am right.  There is
> never, ever an excuse to allow a developer to subjugate and spy on
> users.  I can only speak for myself in that the software seems
> extremely unethical and since I am right, I hope to be able to help
> the 1 or 2 people that may get this by having them think about the
> issue instead of blindly trusting the software.
> -I wonder how many more emails I will be here before some user
> subjugating moderator censors me.

Dude, digiKam is open source. If you think it have backdoors, please
download sources and check every line of code. ** I never said anything
about Backdoors, you and some other person did.  Does Digikam also have a
backdoor? It does not seem like many users here are familiar with how data
mining and spyware work, they do not require a back door**


And, I think nobody needs your photos in the mirror :))
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[Remco Viëtor]

On Monday 02 September 2013 01:38:32 [hidden email] wrote:
>...
(lots of stuff about Digikam spying, w/o a shred of proof)
> [hidden email]

I couldn't find any trace of Digikam opening an internet connection. But I
have all KIPI plugins related to internet storage/publishing disabled.

Also, how did you see that Digikam opened /internet/ connections? A bit of
information so others can check seems the minimum.

Using netstat I did find a series of /unix sockets/ opened by Digikam (10 or
so) but those are typically used for inter-process communication. They were
NOT /internet/ connections. Indeed, 'netstat --inet' did not show ANY
connections involving Digikam. To see what netstat does, use Google or 'man
inet'.

Also, concluding from the presence of connections that data is /send out/
by Digikam is a bit fast, and an accusation that needs *proof*, not just
an unsubstantiated  'I saw some internet connections involving DK, thus DK
is data mining my photos'. When accusing, a minimum is disclosing the
methods you used to collect your data.

Wrt. your point 2, about navigation: Digikam supposes you have your images
in directory trees. Just specify each of those trees as a collection.

Personally, I wouldn't want Digikam to dig all over my hard disk to decide
which directories to index, nor is there any reason (for me) to go out of
my image collection from within Digikam...

Remco
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Le 02/09/2013 10:38, [hidden email] a écrit :
> Greetings,
>
> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far –

I read all the subsequent posts before answering to this one

>
> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!

Before shouting you could have asked simply that. This is a perfectly
normal question.

But then you have to give some details.

* how did you notice that? (to allow others to replicate the fact)
* is that true at first install, before any option is changed by you?

is the later is right, there is a problem. IMHO, such option as going
goggle map to geolocalize should *not* be active by default,
eventually added by an install dialog.

this is my own personal advice, and can be discussed here, and if most
people agree, I'm sure it wil be included in future releases.

> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the
> computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo
> management software to begin with!

wrong. The point of management software is *not* to scan your disk to
find photos - this is extremely against privacy! If you like it, use
picasa!

If you didn't yet organize your photos, it's time to do so.

> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess

no, it's not. But, anyway, this means having a way to store the info.
Did you trace the internet calls to see where the data is stored? May
be your digikam file is compromised. On Windows I often have seen
perfectly clean programms packed by other download centrers and filled
with addwares or malwares (I just had this problem last week), but
this is not digikam fault.

sincerely
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[Remco Viëtor]

On Monday 02 September 2013 02:29:20 [hidden email] wrote:
> That is the stand by defense of software companies today, "prove we are
> abusing the users".  The review is intended, not for the users that have
an
> interest in this software, and there are usually plenty of them camping
out
> on these mailing lists, but rather to the user that may simply not know
that
> that type of thing happens all the time.   When a company profits by
spying
> on and abusing the users, that is essentially theft, actually it is worse
> because it is the kind of damage that keeps on damaging and the user has
no
> control or recourse.
>
>  
>
> If the internet connections are not disclosed to the  user in a clear way
-
> then the software package is likely doing things that  you would likely
have
> said no to.   The "salesmen" types camping here will try hard to convince
> users that that isn't the case will not explain why the connections are
> there without user consent.  

Informing other users is one thing, spreading slander is another.

You still offer NO proof whatsoever for your accusations. To go to the
Ubuntu case: there the accusers presented their observations and
methodology, so others could check, as is the basis of open source.
Your accusations are perfect closed source: "here are my conclusions, take
'm or leave 'm"

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

2013/9/2  <[hidden email]>:

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> On Behalf Of Photonoxx
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:37 AM
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the power
> of open source
> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] Greetings
>
> Le Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:38:32 +0200, <[hidden email]> a écrit:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>> I just installed Digikam. My review of the software so far -
>>
>>
>> 1. Digikam opened at least 3 separate connections the internet. Why?!
>> I had
>> to shut these connections down with my firewall.   The program certainty
>> does not make this obvious to any typical user.   I think there may have
>> been more than 3 but its late and I will search more tomorrow before I
>> uninstall it.    There can be no legitimate reason for this and this was
>> not disclosed explicitly on installation.
>
> No comment, see Gilles answer
>
>> 2. Digikam does not make it easy to navigate drives/folders on the
>> computer to find photos.  This is the entire  point of photo
>> management software to begin with! It seems more designed to get the
>> user to relinquish control of their current photo organization to
>> digikam.
>
> Digikam doesn't offer the possibility to browse directly your drive, you
> have to define folder as collection to tell where photos are located and
> consequently which photos do want to manage with digikam.
>
> It's a strange behavior for a spying program to permit you tell it which
> photos it can watch, no ?  Ugh.
>
> Apart if you spread your photos everywhere in your drive, or your not enough
> patient to set digikam properly, I don't see a matter with digikam way of
> managing datas, and even in this case, you probably can set your entire
> drive as a collection, it's probably not the cleverest thing to do but it
> should be possible.
>
> Think about other program which doesn't let you at all where you want to
> stock your pictures.  Ugh ^2
>
>> 3.  To newer users of "open source".   Free software does not mean the
>> software will not spy on you, or do things you would resent, or anything
>> else the developer(s) maybe have wanted it to do.   It does mean though
>> that
>> the software can be changed because the source is available.   A good
>> example of free software that spies on its users is Ubunto.  Users did
>> not like this, so a modified version was made that did not spy on the
>> users.
>> Free software makes this possible. Please see Richard Stallman's
>> youtube video on Ubunto.
>
> It's something slightly different I thing, Ubuntu (not Ubunto) use some
> closed source elements, so, we can't know exactly what these elements does.
> ***It is clear you don’t know which part of Ubunto I referred to, watch the
> video.**   Personally I use Ubuntu and don't really mind about this **Who
> cares? Good that you have the freedom to decide though. Ubunto spies on
> users, this is well documented and this takes away the users choice ***, I'm
> not sure Windows or MacOSX users are more protected in this case, and except
> if you use strongly secured internet connection and network (as using tor),
> each time you go on internet many server spy on you. **Data still gets
> transmitted, data that has nothing to do with what the users wants, and more
> to do to supplying Google with YOUR data for Google's profit**
>
> The fact Digikam is free software / open source doesn't just mean you can
> change it, it means too you can see what it does by reading the source, and
> since many years digikam exists, if it spy its users, I think it would be
> well known now ? Don't you think ?  **Not necessarily, see Ubunto youtube
> video by Richard Stallman and listen carefully**
>
> If as suggest Gilles, the internet connection is initiated by geo-location
> online map feature, you may build your own digikam without these features or
> stop waste our time and use another software.  **Like I said, my intent is
> to inform users that may not be aware of these issues., if the
> moderator/salesman doesn’t like it, then can abuse their power by censoring
> me**
>
>
>> Profiting by spying on and data mining users data is fine I guess, as
>> long as the user has given EXPLICIT permission to do this every time,
>> not via
>> some vague end user license agreement that nobody reads.   Digikam has
>> not
>> made adequate disclosure to it's users.
>
> You give your permission by choosing it and installing it **I did not give
> it permission to open at least 3 internet connections without my consent and
> especially not to allow Google access to any of my photos or other data**
> but anyway I don't thing Digikam spy your datas ** Google, Adobe, Apple,
> Microsoft and others also don’t believe they spy on people either and have
> said so publically many times **  . Does Firefox spying you because it opens
> internet connections  **What a clever point....:|**
>

In french we said "crazy hospital speech"... No way...

Gilles Caulier

>
>> My Digikam review Grade - F
>>
>>
>> Requested Modifications  - Do not spy on or data mine users photos or
>> any other data, or do anything else without the users explicit and clear
>> consent!   Allow users to easily navigate their own photos.  If spying on
>> the users must be a feature, THEN DISLCOSE IT CLEARLY!
>
> My review Grade : A since it's a wonderful "Free software" and should be
> encouraged as it merits !
>
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[Remco Viëtor]

On Monday 02 September 2013 12:18:51 Gilles Caulier wrote:
> 2013/9/2  <[hidden email]>:
> >(... enormous snip ...)
> >
>
> In french we said "crazy hospital speech"... No way...
>
> Gilles Caulier

Yeah, seems we got us a troll, apologies for feeding it.

And thank you for all the hard work you put in Digikam :)

Remco
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[Jean-François Rabasse-2]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2013, Remco Viëtor wrote:

> Yeah, seems we got us a troll, apologies for feeding it.

:-) That's exactly what I was suspecting.

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

The overall speech contains many known trolls « weapons », e.g. :

> - My posts generate replies because I am right.
Nonsense, obviously, as discussions lists and forums are based on
questions and replies. A post to a list that wouldn't generate
replies would indicate a dead list, and Digikam community seems
well alive and active. (Perhaps the software isn't as « Big brother »
as it could seem at first glance:-)

>  -I wonder how many more emails I will be here before some user
> subjugating moderator censors me.
Another classical troll behaviour, loving to count how many messages
could be sent before being banned from a forum.


Jean-François


PS: also, people really worried about their personal privacy would
probably not use a mailing portal as AOL that dispatch to everyone's
knowledge their originating IP, thus allowing user localization
around San Clemente, CA, United States
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[Remco Viëtor]

On Monday 02 September 2013 13:13:29 Jean-François Rabasse wrote:
(...)
> PS: also, people really worried about their personal privacy would
> probably not use a mailing portal as AOL that dispatch to everyone's
> knowledge their originating IP, thus allowing user localization
> around San Clemente, CA, United States

AFAIK, the originating IP is always part of email headers, so that's not
typical for AOL (I won't cite yours here, except it ends in xx.xx.xx.66
(and server ian.xx.xx.fr :) )
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[Jean-François Rabasse-2]

On Mon, 2 Sep 2013, Remco Viëtor wrote:

> AFAIK, the originating IP is always part of email headers, so that's not
> typical for AOL (I won't cite yours here, except it ends in xx.xx.xx.66
> (and server ian.xx.xx.fr :) )

You're right, but it's the address of the SMTP client emitting the message
to a mail server. And true, I currently use such a client machine.
But if you send mail from a web portal, using a HTTP based interface,
the originating IP (in mail headers) would be the one of the portal and
the mail software may, or not, include it's customer private web IP.

Anyway, I personaly didn't intend to hide myself :)

Jean-François


Hmmm, sounds we are slightly shifting a bit off topic :)
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[Sebastian Niehaus-2]

Am 02.09.2013 11:40, schrieb [hidden email]:

> -Last note - My posts generate replies because I am right.  

Your conclusions and your definition of "right" are *very* weird.

Sick logic.

> -I wonder how many more emails I will be here before some user subjugating
> moderator censors me.

I wonder why an outlook user and AOL member complains about spying in
open source software. Go figure!


You qualfied as an stupid troll, putting up a cheap flame bait.


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[Remco Viëtor]

On Monday 02 September 2013 03:07:58 [hidden email] wrote:
>(...) I never said anything
> about Backdoors, you and some other person did.  Does Digikam also have a
> backdoor? It does not seem like many users here are familiar with how
data
> mining and spyware work, they do not require a back door**

Well, could you at least tell us how you found out that Digikam opens
internet connections (and perhaps to what sites/IP addresses)?

That would allow us to judge for ourselves what the dangers are, and how to
avoid/remove them.

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