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Paul Verizzo

DigiKam on windows instability

I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path via KDE on Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy, completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific games and tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just snoozing. Last update was in February.

The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error" message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I also can't get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film scans although Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system has caused many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually found that a folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made it blow up.

But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I spent dozens of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it running live CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to read the files on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.

So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have, install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for the monitor and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still have to deal with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via the usual ethernet?

digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE. Xnview, a less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level, can run on Windows, Linux, or Mac.

No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.

Paul

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
From: David Kerber [hidden email]
Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
	power of	open source [hidden email]
Message-ID: [hidden email]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant stability issues
when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the course of the
day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that it was usually
when moving pictures from one folder to another.  However, it doesn't
always crash when moving them, only sometimes.

The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs for a minute or
two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about requesting an
unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr Watson error.

And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work.  The pictures
don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.

Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed in a later
release that hasn't been ported windows yet?

D

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David Kerber

Re: DigiKam on windows instability

Paul Verizzo wrote:
> I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path via KDE on
> Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy,
> completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific games and
> tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Definitely not the philosophy I
expected from a Linux-originated project.

> releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just
> snoozing. Last update was in February.
>
> The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error"
> message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I also can't
> get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film scans although
> Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system has caused
> many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually found that a
> folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made it blow up.
I've found that as long as I'm not trying to move files around, it seems
to be pretty stable. Today I was doing a bunch of tagging without
moving the files, and it worked fine: no crashes, and quick and
responsive even on my middle-aged hardware.

>
> But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I spent dozens
> of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that
> uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it running live
> CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to read the files
> on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.
A partial Linux machine was going to be my next try. I've got a new box
coming in that will have the horsepower to either dual-boot Debian and
Windows, or run one of them in a vm inside the other. However, I still
have to decide which I want to be the host and which the guest.
>
> So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have,
> install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for the monitor
> and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still have to deal
> with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they
> automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if
> digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via
> the usual ethernet?
It will on wiindows with no trouble; I already tried that, but haven't
tried it under Linux.

>
> digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the
> price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE. Xnview, a
> less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level, can run on
> Windows, Linux, or Mac.
Thanks for the comments!

>
> No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.
>
> Paul
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
>> From: David Kerber <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional with the
>> power of open source <[hidden email]>
>> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
>> fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant stability issues
>> when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
>> Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the course of the
>> day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that it was usually
>> when moving pictures from one folder to another. However, it doesn't
>> always crash when moving them, only sometimes.
>>
>> The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs for a minute or
>> two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
>> sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about requesting an
>> unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr Watson error.
>>
>> And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work. The pictures
>> don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.
>>
>> Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed in a later
>> release that hasn't been ported windows yet?
>>
>>
>> D
>>
>>
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pshute

Re: DigiKam on windows instability

I also had similar issues. It's difficult being so many versions behind, because no one is interested in helping with problems that were solved long ago. The answer is always to get the latest version. You can't even help the situation by submitting bug reports until you do.

In order to solve the problem of being unable to delete files, I spent a lot of time learning how to compile it under Windows. There were many problems with this (missing components, out of date components, bad make files, etc), and I needed a lot of help to solve each one. When I tried to compile it again not long after, and found yet another set of compiling problems that I couldn't solve on my own, I gave up on it and went back to Lightroom. A good decision if you're correct that there are no Windows releases since February.

The only realistic alternative I could see was to create a Linux machine and learn Linux, but I share this Windows box, so it wasn't really an option.

It's a pity, because there are many people out there who know how to compile the latest version, and have done so, yet it still isn't included in the latest KDE on Windows distribution. This is, apparently, out of the control of the digiKam developers.

DigiKam is a wonderful program, with an unusually good set of documentation for an open source project, but to a large extent you're on your own with the Windows version. Until someone with some influence over the KDE on Windows team comes along to champion digiKam, this is how it's likely to remain.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Kerber [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:51 AM
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional
> with the power of open source
> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>
> Paul Verizzo wrote:
> > I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path
> via KDE on
> > Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy,
> > completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific games and
> > tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several
> Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Definitely not the
> philosophy I expected from a Linux-originated project.
>
> > releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just
> > snoozing. Last update was in February.
> >
> > The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error"
> > message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I
> also can't
> > get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film
> scans although
> > Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system has caused
> > many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually found that a
> > folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made it blow up.
> I've found that as long as I'm not trying to move files
> around, it seems to be pretty stable. Today I was doing a
> bunch of tagging without moving the files, and it worked
> fine: no crashes, and quick and responsive even on my
> middle-aged hardware.
>
>
> >
> > But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I
> spent dozens
> > of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that
> > uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it running live
> > CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to
> read the files
> > on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.
> A partial Linux machine was going to be my next try. I've
> got a new box coming in that will have the horsepower to
> either dual-boot Debian and Windows, or run one of them in a
> vm inside the other. However, I still have to decide which I
> want to be the host and which the guest.
> >
> > So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have,
> > install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for
> the monitor
> > and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still
> have to deal
> > with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they
> > automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if
> > digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via
> > the usual ethernet?
> It will on wiindows with no trouble; I already tried that,
> but haven't tried it under Linux.
>
> >
> > digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the
> > price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE.
> Xnview, a
> > less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level,
> can run on
> > Windows, Linux, or Mac.
> Thanks for the comments!
>
>
> >
> > No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.
> >
> > Paul
> >>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
> >> From: David Kerber <[hidden email]>
> >> Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
> >> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a
> professional with the
> >> power of open source <[hidden email]>
> >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >> I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
> >> fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant
> stability issues
> >> when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
> >> Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the
> course of the
> >> day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that
> it was usually
> >> when moving pictures from one folder to another. However,
> it doesn't
> >> always crash when moving them, only sometimes.
> >>
> >> The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs
> for a minute or
> >> two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
> >> sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about
> requesting an
> >> unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr
> Watson error.
> >>
> >> And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work.
> The pictures
> >> don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.
> >>
> >> Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed
> in a later
> >> release that hasn't been ported windows yet?
> >>
> >>
> >> D
> >>
> >>
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
> >
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> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users
> >
>
>
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Gilles Caulier-4

Re: DigiKam on windows instability

Peter has exactly resumed the right problem, but it's not because we
don't have motifation to fix Windows port, it just a question of time.

I has a computer with Windows and digiKam compiled and installed. this
week, we have a meeting with team in France, we will take a look with
some point as file deletion (i can reproduce it).

Gilles Caulier

2010/8/25 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:

> I also had similar issues. It's difficult being so many versions behind, because no one is interested in helping with problems that were solved long ago. The answer is always to get the latest version. You can't even help the situation by submitting bug reports until you do.
>
> In order to solve the problem of being unable to delete files, I spent a lot of time learning how to compile it under Windows. There were many problems with this (missing components, out of date components, bad make files, etc), and I needed a lot of help to solve each one. When I tried to compile it again not long after, and found yet another set of compiling problems that I couldn't solve on my own, I gave up on it and went back to Lightroom. A good decision if you're correct that there are no Windows releases since February.
>
> The only realistic alternative I could see was to create a Linux machine and learn Linux, but I share this Windows box, so it wasn't really an option.
>
> It's a pity, because there are many people out there who know how to compile the latest version, and have done so, yet it still isn't included in the latest KDE on Windows distribution. This is, apparently, out of the control of the digiKam developers.
>
> DigiKam is a wonderful program, with an unusually good set of documentation for an open source project, but to a large extent you're on your own with the Windows version. Until someone with some influence over the KDE on Windows team comes along to champion digiKam, this is how it's likely to remain.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Kerber [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:51 AM
>> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional
>> with the power of open source
>> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>>
>> Paul Verizzo wrote:
>> > I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path
>> via KDE on
>> > Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy,
>> > completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific games and
>> > tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several
>> Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Definitely not the
>> philosophy I expected from a Linux-originated project.
>>
>> > releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just
>> > snoozing. Last update was in February.
>> >
>> > The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error"
>> > message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I
>> also can't
>> > get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film
>> scans although
>> > Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system has caused
>> > many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually found that a
>> > folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made it blow up.
>> I've found that as long as I'm not trying to move files
>> around, it seems to be pretty stable. Today I was doing a
>> bunch of tagging without moving the files, and it worked
>> fine: no crashes, and quick and responsive even on my
>> middle-aged hardware.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I
>> spent dozens
>> > of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that
>> > uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it running live
>> > CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to
>> read the files
>> > on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.
>> A partial Linux machine was going to be my next try. I've
>> got a new box coming in that will have the horsepower to
>> either dual-boot Debian and Windows, or run one of them in a
>> vm inside the other. However, I still have to decide which I
>> want to be the host and which the guest.
>> >
>> > So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have,
>> > install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for
>> the monitor
>> > and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still
>> have to deal
>> > with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they
>> > automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if
>> > digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via
>> > the usual ethernet?
>> It will on wiindows with no trouble; I already tried that,
>> but haven't tried it under Linux.
>>
>> >
>> > digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the
>> > price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE.
>> Xnview, a
>> > less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level,
>> can run on
>> > Windows, Linux, or Mac.
>> Thanks for the comments!
>>
>>
>> >
>> > No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
>> >> From: David Kerber <[hidden email]>
>> >> Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>> >> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a
>> professional with the
>> >> power of open source <[hidden email]>
>> >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> >>
>> >> I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
>> >> fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant
>> stability issues
>> >> when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
>> >> Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the
>> course of the
>> >> day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that
>> it was usually
>> >> when moving pictures from one folder to another. However,
>> it doesn't
>> >> always crash when moving them, only sometimes.
>> >>
>> >> The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs
>> for a minute or
>> >> two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
>> >> sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about
>> requesting an
>> >> unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr
>> Watson error.
>> >>
>> >> And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work.
>> The pictures
>> >> don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.
>> >>
>> >> Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed
>> in a later
>> >> release that hasn't been ported windows yet?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> D
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > [hidden email]
>> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users
>> >
>>
>>
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pshute

Re: DigiKam on windows instability

That's excellent news, and thank you in advance for the time you're putting into it. I don't know what the potential number of Windows digiKam users is compared to Linux, but it must be pretty big.

Are you intending to just fix the digiKam problems, or the the distribution problems too? That must be equally serious, because it's preventing most Windows from submitting relevant bug reports.

Peter Shute

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilles Caulier [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 4:28 PM
> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional
> with the power of open source
> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>
> Peter has exactly resumed the right problem, but it's not
> because we don't have motifation to fix Windows port, it just
> a question of time.
>
> I has a computer with Windows and digiKam compiled and
> installed. this week, we have a meeting with team in France,
> we will take a look with some point as file deletion (i can
> reproduce it).
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2010/8/25 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
> > I also had similar issues. It's difficult being so many
> versions behind, because no one is interested in helping with
> problems that were solved long ago. The answer is always to
> get the latest version. You can't even help the situation by
> submitting bug reports until you do.
> >
> > In order to solve the problem of being unable to delete
> files, I spent a lot of time learning how to compile it under
> Windows. There were many problems with this (missing
> components, out of date components, bad make files, etc), and
> I needed a lot of help to solve each one. When I tried to
> compile it again not long after, and found yet another set of
> compiling problems that I couldn't solve on my own, I gave up
> on it and went back to Lightroom. A good decision if you're
> correct that there are no Windows releases since February.
> >
> > The only realistic alternative I could see was to create a
> Linux machine and learn Linux, but I share this Windows box,
> so it wasn't really an option.
> >
> > It's a pity, because there are many people out there who
> know how to compile the latest version, and have done so, yet
> it still isn't included in the latest KDE on Windows
> distribution. This is, apparently, out of the control of the
> digiKam developers.
> >
> > DigiKam is a wonderful program, with an unusually good set
> of documentation for an open source project, but to a large
> extent you're on your own with the Windows version. Until
> someone with some influence over the KDE on Windows team
> comes along to champion digiKam, this is how it's likely to remain.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Kerber [mailto:[hidden email]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:51 AM
> >> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a
> professional with the
> >> power of open source
> >> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
> >>
> >> Paul Verizzo wrote:
> >> > I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path
> >> via KDE on
> >> > Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy,
> >> > completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific
> games and
> >> > tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several
> >> Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Definitely not the
> philosophy
> >> I expected from a Linux-originated project.
> >>
> >> > releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just
> >> > snoozing. Last update was in February.
> >> >
> >> > The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error"
> >> > message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I
> >> also can't
> >> > get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film
> >> scans although
> >> > Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system
> has caused
> >> > many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually
> found that a
> >> > folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made
> it blow up.
> >> I've found that as long as I'm not trying to move files around, it
> >> seems to be pretty stable. Today I was doing a bunch of tagging
> >> without moving the files, and it worked
> >> fine: no crashes, and quick and responsive even on my middle-aged
> >> hardware.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I
> >> spent dozens
> >> > of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu
> program that
> >> > uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it
> running live
> >> > CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to
> >> read the files
> >> > on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.
> >> A partial Linux machine was going to be my next try. I've
> got a new
> >> box coming in that will have the horsepower to either dual-boot
> >> Debian and Windows, or run one of them in a vm inside the other.
> >> However, I still have to decide which I want to be the
> host and which
> >> the guest.
> >> >
> >> > So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000
> box I have,
> >> > install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for
> >> the monitor
> >> > and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still
> >> have to deal
> >> > with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they
> >> > automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if
> >> > digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on
> Windows via
> >> > the usual ethernet?
> >> It will on wiindows with no trouble; I already tried that, but
> >> haven't tried it under Linux.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none.
> And the
> >> > price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE.
> >> Xnview, a
> >> > less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level,
> >> can run on
> >> > Windows, Linux, or Mac.
> >> Thanks for the comments!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.
> >> >
> >> > Paul
> >> >>
> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -
> >> >>
> >> >> Message: 1
> >> >> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
> >> >> From: David Kerber <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
> >> >> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a
> >> professional with the
> >> >> power of open source <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >> >>
> >> >> I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
> >> >> fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant
> >> stability issues
> >> >> when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
> >> >> Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the
> >> course of the
> >> >> day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that
> >> it was usually
> >> >> when moving pictures from one folder to another. However,
> >> it doesn't
> >> >> always crash when moving them, only sometimes.
> >> >>
> >> >> The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs
> >> for a minute or
> >> >> two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
> >> >> sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about
> >> requesting an
> >> >> unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr
> >> Watson error.
> >> >>
> >> >> And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work.
> >> The pictures
> >> >> don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed
> >> in a later
> >> >> release that hasn't been ported windows yet?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> D
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Re: DigiKam on windows instability

2010/8/25 Peter Shute <[hidden email]>:
> That's excellent news, and thank you in advance for the time you're putting into it. I don't know what the potential number of Windows digiKam users is compared to Linux, but it must be pretty big.
>
> Are you intending to just fix the digiKam problems, or the the distribution problems too? That must be equally serious, because it's preventing most Windows from submitting relevant bug reports.

We only fix just digiKam code.

Windows installer is not managed by digiKam team (as all the rest of
KDE composant of course)

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Re: DigiKam on windows instability

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Hi,

Þann mið 25.ágú 2010 00:22, skrifaði Paul Verizzo:

> I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows.
> ---
> So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box
> I have, install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV
> switch for the monitor and keyboard that I use on "The
> Mothership." I'll still have to deal with the image files
> remaining on the Windows box where they automatically get
> backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if digiKam running
> on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via the
> usual ethernet?

According to my limited knowledge, having a Windows box with
your images and a Linux machine besides with Digikam is no
problem. Latest versions of Digikam support remote album roots.

Just share your photo folder/partition in Windows, and take
care that your workgroup is the same on both machines (My
Computer-->Properties-->Workgroup on Win - editing
/etc/samba/smb.conf or installing a Samba GUI of some sort
on Linux). The linux user should be present on win (can be
the same on both, but...) and depending on the distro there
may be some firewall/hosts configuration (mostly automatic
on *buntu and similar).
This means that the fileserving is done through the smb/cifs
protocols which are thoroughly tested and robust.
And your photos would be accessible through
Network-->Windows-network-->Workgroup-->Share (or
smb://user@wincomputer/share/ )

There are many ways to do such a setup (better tutorials on
the web). Maybe some other linux distro would be
'friendlier' for a long-term Windows-user (I'm not
distro-flaming, but I'm often installing for 'new converts'
either LinuxMint (based on Ubuntu, good support) or even
PCLinuxOS - it has some internationalization/codepage
problems, but works well if one does not use some exotic
language). Ubuntu is always getting better towards new
users, but I've got doubts about Kubuntu.

On an old machine there can be performance issues, even with
some diet window manager; you would want to run Digikam
properly. Thumbnail generation and some of the editing can
use quite some resources.

And you would probably want a decent fully working graphics
driver, color management and a full speed (Gigabit) network.

just my 1 cent;

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Re: DigiKam on windows instability / a good point for Linux

In reply to this post by Paul Verizzo

Am Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:22:33 -0400
schrieb Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:

> But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I spent dozens
> of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that
> uses Windows (didn't work on two computers)

Do you mean the "Windows-based Ubuntu Installer"?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi
I never tried that.

> So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have,
> install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for the monitor
> and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership."

That sounds like a good way to become more familiar with Linux. But you
should be aware of how much faster today's computers are compared to
what was sold before Windows XP became standard (back in 2002?). If
your old computer does not have 768 MB of RAM and a 1 GHz CPU running
KDE (and digikam) on it won't be much fun.

Why don't you backup your "Mothership" computer's data (you should
backup important data from time to time anyway) and install Ubuntu (or
another distro) in addition to Windows on that computer? The computer
can shrink Windows partitions, so you just need 10 - 20 GByte of free
disk space, and when Ubuntu is installed you'll experience a short delay
when booting, to choose which system to boot. But generally Ubuntu today
boots a bit faster than Windows, with all those extra programs (virus
scanner etc.) one usually needs on Windows.

> digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the
> price is right!

And Free Software is not just about the price! It's about freedom, too.

http://www.vlado-do.de/free_software/

> No &^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.

KDE's startup time could be better, but since KDE 4.3 or so I like it
again. It's my default desktop now. Gnome is faster, but to me it looks
old-fashioned. Mac OS and Windows are even worse, especially because
neither of them has support for a reasonable windows focus model[1],
and even worse Windows only offers a single workspace. In addition to
Digikam I also like the KDE applications Okular, Dolphin, and K3B.
Rekonq also has potential, but for the time being I prefer Firefox.

Regards,
Vlado

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_%28computing%29

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Re: DigiKam on windows instability

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On 8/25/2010 2:28 AM, Gilles Caulier wrote:
> Peter has exactly resumed the right problem, but it's not because we
> don't have motifation to fix Windows port, it just a question of time.
>
> I has a computer with Windows and digiKam compiled and installed. this
> week, we have a meeting with team in France, we will take a look with
> some point as file deletion (i can reproduce it).

Thank you, Gilles! I guess I hope the bug is in digiKam (where you can
fix it), rather than in KDE (where you can't). Have you been able to
reproduce any of the instability issues with moving files around?

I think digiKam on windows has excellent potential to be popular once
the issues are ironed out (I realize they may be KDE issues rather than
digiKam ones). I did a LOT of searching for photo management software
before settling on digiKam. There are some very good ones, but they are
expensive, and some free or low-priced ones that have serious
limitations compared to digiKam. DigiKam seems to be the only one with
its functionality at a great price.

Is there any way of getting a windows port without going through the
winKDE stuff? If I were to build from source, would that do it?

Dave

>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2010/8/25 Peter Shute<[hidden email]>:
>> I also had similar issues. It's difficult being so many versions behind, because no one is interested in helping with problems that were solved long ago. The answer is always to get the latest version. You can't even help the situation by submitting bug reports until you do.
>>
>> In order to solve the problem of being unable to delete files, I spent a lot of time learning how to compile it under Windows. There were many problems with this (missing components, out of date components, bad make files, etc), and I needed a lot of help to solve each one. When I tried to compile it again not long after, and found yet another set of compiling problems that I couldn't solve on my own, I gave up on it and went back to Lightroom. A good decision if you're correct that there are no Windows releases since February.
>>
>> The only realistic alternative I could see was to create a Linux machine and learn Linux, but I share this Windows box, so it wasn't really an option.
>>
>> It's a pity, because there are many people out there who know how to compile the latest version, and have done so, yet it still isn't included in the latest KDE on Windows distribution. This is, apparently, out of the control of the digiKam developers.
>>
>> DigiKam is a wonderful program, with an unusually good set of documentation for an open source project, but to a large extent you're on your own with the Windows version. Until someone with some influence over the KDE on Windows team comes along to champion digiKam, this is how it's likely to remain.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Kerber [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:51 AM
>>> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a professional
>>> with the power of open source
>>> Subject: Re: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>>>
>>> Paul Verizzo wrote:
>>>> I've all but given up using digiKam on Windows. The path
>>> via KDE on
>>>> Windows is cumbersome, inefficient, and to this non-Linux guy,
>>>> completely inscrutable. (Why MUST I download scientific games and
>>>> tools, for instance?) Further, digiKam is now several
>>> Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Definitely not the
>>> philosophy I expected from a Linux-originated project.
>>>
>>>> releases along and as of a week or two ago, KDE for Win is just
>>>> snoozing. Last update was in February.
>>>>
>>>> The problems I typically get are crashes with a "Runtime Error"
>>>> message, especially when trying to save a modified file. I
>>> also can't
>>>> get thumbnails for 48 bit images that I make from film
>>> scans although
>>>> Picassa has no trouble making its own. The scan system has caused
>>>> many crashes when I first set things up. I eventually found that a
>>>> folder that contained some non jpg-tiff-etc files made it blow up.
>>> I've found that as long as I'm not trying to move files
>>> around, it seems to be pretty stable. Today I was doing a
>>> bunch of tagging without moving the files, and it worked
>>> fine: no crashes, and quick and responsive even on my
>>> middle-aged hardware.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I do love digiKam when it works! So much so, that I
>>> spent dozens
>>>> of hours trying to do things like install that Ubuntu program that
>>>> uses Windows (didn't work on two computers), tried it running live
>>>> CD's, and Virtual Box (head banging trying to get it to
>>> read the files
>>>> on the native Windows partition. I gave up on that, too.
>>> A partial Linux machine was going to be my next try. I've
>>> got a new box coming in that will have the horsepower to
>>> either dual-boot Debian and Windows, or run one of them in a
>>> vm inside the other. However, I still have to decide which I
>>> want to be the host and which the guest.
>>>>
>>>> So maybe in the next week I'll take an old Windows 2000 box I have,
>>>> install Ubuntu or other distro, and use my KBV switch for
>>> the monitor
>>>> and keyboard that I use on "The Mothership." I'll still
>>> have to deal
>>>> with the image files remaining on the Windows box where they
>>>> automatically get backed up by Carbonite. Does anyone know if
>>>> digiKam running on LInux can read and scan the files on Windows via
>>>> the usual ethernet?
>>> It will on wiindows with no trouble; I already tried that,
>>> but haven't tried it under Linux.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> digiKam is the best similar program out there, bar none. And the
>>>> price is right! I just wish it didn't have to run on KDE.
>>> Xnview, a
>>>> less capable but very nice "Irfanview with browser" level,
>>> can run on
>>>> Windows, Linux, or Mac.
>>> Thanks for the comments!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No&^#&*))$^^ KDE needed.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:15:39 -0400
>>>>> From: David Kerber<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: [Digikam-users] DigiKam on windows instability
>>>>> To: digiKam - Home Manage your photographs as a
>>> professional with the
>>>>> power of open source<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Message-ID:<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got digikam 1.1.0 (through a kde on windows install) on a
>>>>> fully-patched win XP machine, and am having significant
>>> stability issues
>>>>> when trying to move my pictures around into different folders.
>>>>> Yesterday it probably hung or crashed 10 times over the
>>> course of the
>>>>> day, and I can't see any real pattern to it, except that
>>> it was usually
>>>>> when moving pictures from one folder to another. However,
>>> it doesn't
>>>>> always crash when moving them, only sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>> The symptoms are usually either that digikam just hangs
>>> for a minute or
>>>>> two using 80% cpu, and then just disappears with no notice, but
>>>>> sometimes gives me a vc library error (something about
>>> requesting an
>>>>> unusual way of shutting down), and sometimes I get a Dr
>>> Watson error.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the function to delete pictures simply doesn't work.
>>> The pictures
>>>>> don't disappear from either the album, nor from the HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are these file-management issues likely to have been fixed
>>> in a later
>>>>> release that hasn't been ported windows yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> D

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Re: DigiKam on windows instability

2010/8/25 David Kerber <[hidden email]>:

> On 8/25/2010 2:28 AM, Gilles Caulier wrote:
>> Peter has exactly resumed the right problem, but it's not because we
>> don't have motifation to fix Windows port, it just a question of time.
>>
>> I has a computer with Windows and digiKam compiled and installed. this
>> week, we have a meeting with team in France, we will take a look with
>> some point as file deletion (i can reproduce it).
>
> Thank you, Gilles! I guess I hope the bug is in digiKam (where you can
> fix it), rather than in KDE (where you can't). Have you been able to
> reproduce any of the instability issues with moving files around?
>

I used windows version to donwload and play with a Canon camera. I
work fine during 1 hour and crash one time. I used code from trunk
(1.3.0). Now we have released 1.4.0.

As we fix a lots of code between release under Linux, problem can be
fixed also under Windows. This is why i recommend to use current code
from svn trunk under Windows.

> I think digiKam on windows has excellent potential to be popular once
> the issues are ironed out (I realize they may be KDE issues rather than
> digiKam ones). I did a LOT of searching for photo management software
> before settling on digiKam. There are some very good ones, but they are
> expensive, and some free or low-priced ones that have serious
> limitations compared to digiKam. DigiKam seems to be the only one with
> its functionality at a great price.
>
> Is there any way of getting a windows port without going through the
> winKDE stuff? If I were to build from source, would that do it?

Yes, you can build yourself, as i explained in this tutorial :

http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/525

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Re: DigiKam on windows instability

On 8/25/2010 9:58 AM, Gilles Caulier wrote:

> 2010/8/25 David Kerber<[hidden email]>:
>> On 8/25/2010 2:28 AM, Gilles Caulier wrote:
>>> Peter has exactly resumed the right problem, but it's not because we
>>> don't have motifation to fix Windows port, it just a question of time.
>>>
>>> I has a computer with Windows and digiKam compiled and installed. this
>>> week, we have a meeting with team in France, we will take a look with
>>> some point as file deletion (i can reproduce it).
>>
>> Thank you, Gilles! I guess I hope the bug is in digiKam (where you can
>> fix it), rather than in KDE (where you can't). Have you been able to
>> reproduce any of the instability issues with moving files around?
>>
>
> I used windows version to donwload and play with a Canon camera. I
> work fine during 1 hour and crash one time. I used code from trunk
> (1.3.0). Now we have released 1.4.0.
>
> As we fix a lots of code between release under Linux, problem can be
> fixed also under Windows.

I thought that might be the case.

> This is why i recommend to use current code
> from svn trunk under Windows.
>
>> I think digiKam on windows has excellent potential to be popular once
>> the issues are ironed out (I realize they may be KDE issues rather than
>> digiKam ones). I did a LOT of searching for photo management software
>> before settling on digiKam. There are some very good ones, but they are
>> expensive, and some free or low-priced ones that have serious
>> limitations compared to digiKam. DigiKam seems to be the only one with
>> its functionality at a great price.
>>
>> Is there any way of getting a windows port without going through the
>> winKDE stuff? If I were to build from source, would that do it?
>
> Yes, you can build yourself, as i explained in this tutorial :

I was hoping to avoid having to install a full build C build
environment, but I guess there's now way around it. I'll give it a go,
but will likely be back asking for help with it. I'm a java, database
and VB programmer, and have hardly touched C.

Merci!
D
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