[Bug 193232] New: "text files" album filter

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=193232

           Summary: "text files" album filter
           Product: digikam
           Version: 0.10.0
          Platform: Gentoo Packages
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: wishlist
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
        AssignedTo: [hidden email]
        ReportedBy: [hidden email]


Version:           0.10.0 (using KDE 4.2.3)
OS:                Linux
Installed from:    Gentoo Packages

I use RawTherapee for developing my files. RT (optionally) saves a sidecar pp2
text file alongside the demosaiced image, this file contains the settings RT
applied. I wish there was a new album filter/mime type for these kinds of
files, especially since many programs do that, not just RT. I currently had to
add .pp2 to the "audio" group as a workaround, I wish there was a dedicated
"text" group or "sidecar" group.

I see other people requesting the handling of RAW files and their JPEG
counterparts as one item, which makes sense. It would be good if in addition to
a new filter, you also included these sidecar files into the RAW+JPEG single
item, so we could move/manage RAW+JPEG+sidecar as one unit.

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|general                     |RAW files management
            Summary|"text files" album filter   |XMP side-car filter




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[DrSlony-3]

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--- Comment #1 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
Bump, still not present in 2.5.0

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--- Comment #2 from Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> ---
It's probably fixed by Marcel in current implementation from git/master (next
2.6.0-beta3)

Gilles Caulier

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[Marcel Wiesweg]

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--- Comment #3 from Marcel Wiesweg <[hidden email]> ---
We handle standard XMP sidecars now; this is apparently about files with the
suffix .pp2, so it falls into the "proprietary/non-standard sidecar" category,
like the request to support .thm. Maybe we need to support these at least for
copy/move as well.
Question here: for what purpose is it needed to have this filter? If they are
text files, digikam is of not much use to access them.

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[Marcel Wiesweg]

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|RAW files management        |Sidecar Management

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[DrSlony-3]

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--- Comment #4 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
digiKam is a program designed to help people manage their photos. You have
decided that it will also support audio and video files. I see no inconsistency
why it should not allow the same people to manage sidecar files as well. In
fact it already does so, except it limits the types of sidecar to just one:
XMP. The fact is that people do use other software to develop their photos and
would like to use digiKam to manage those photos.

By manage I mean two things:
1- to recognize sidecar files as such,
2- to let us use digiKam's MIME type filters on these sidecar files without
having to do silly things like adding them to the "movie files" or "audio
files" group,
3- and to let us easily move bundles around (or whatever you call a collection
consisting of a photo, versions of that photo, and any other files directly
related to that photo such as the sidecar file in XMP or any other format,
which is one of the new features introduced in digiKam-2.0
http://scribblesandsnaps.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/new-features-in-digikam-2-0-versioning/
)

"But digiKam provides an elegant solution to the problem: you can combine the
original and all its versions into a single group. To do this, select the
original and its versions, right-click on the selection and choose the Group
Selected Here command. This combines all the selected photos as one neat
bundle"
If this group could also contain sidecar files, that would make managing them
easier.

Just to be clear, I'm not asking for digiKam to understand the things contained
in these non-XMP sidecar files, I would just find it useful if digiKam
recognized these sidecar files, included a file type group for sidecar files,
and let us bundle them with the photos each sidecar file corresponds to
manually (via right-click + Group Selected) and/or automatically (pairing by
matching filenames).

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[Marcel Wiesweg]

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--- Comment #5 from Marcel Wiesweg <[hidden email]> ---
I see the need to move/copy them along with the main image, but why is it
necessary to see the files in the album view? For me, it would be a nuisance to
see files which we dont understand and do nothing with them

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

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--- Comment #6 from Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> ---
I agree with Marcel. sidecar files are metadata, and a panel to right sidebar
is dedicated to display metadata. There is nothing to see about sidecar file in
Icon view.

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[DrSlony-3]

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--- Comment #7 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
Marcel: I need to see them to know which photos I've developed, or to move them
with those photos, or to fire up a text editor and edit them, or to delete
them. You're right that it would be a nuisance to see them all the time - I
only want to see them when needed.

Caulier: well yes they are metadata, but as was stated they are metadata which
digiKam does not understand. RawTherapee is switching from PP3 to XMP in the
near future, but this XMP will only be partially compatible with digiKam: just
the IPTC stuff. The rest - instructions for RawTherapee how to edit the photo -
will obviously be Greek to digiKam. The metadata right panel will be of no help
here. There are other raw converters which also use sidecar files, and they
also don't and perhaps won't use XMP, or if they do use XMP then digiKam will
only understand or share the tags and ratings, nothing else, and users of that
software will also find it troublesome to move their photos with digiKam but
then have to fire up a file manager to move the corresponding sidecar files.

Now imagine you rename photos with digiKam and your file manager doesn't handle
batch renaming...

Adding these PP3/XMP/whatever sidecar files to a sidecar group optionally
visible in digiKam would solve these problems.

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[DrSlony-4]

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--- Comment #8 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
Bump, please look into this.
Adding support for a sidecar group with user-configurable formats (.pp3, .pano,
.pto, .txt) is probably just a matter of copying existing code and should not
take long to implement. All we want is to be able to see these files (MIME
filters), move them together with the images and edit them in an external
application.

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|XMP side-car filter         |Add advanced input side-car
                   |                            |configuration (as support
                   |                            |of .pto, .pp2, .pp3, .pano,
                   |                            |etc...)

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|Add advanced input side-car |Add advanced input side-car
                   |configuration (as support   |files support (as .pto,
                   |of .pto, .pp2, .pp3, .pano, |.pp2, .pp3, .pano, etc...)
                   |etc...)                     |

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[DrSlony-4]

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--- Comment #9 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
And to be able to rename them along with the images, so if I batch-rename the
raws in a folder, the corresponding sidecar files, if they exist, get renamed
too.

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[DrSlony-4]

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--- Comment #10 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
Hmm, hijacking "Audio files" for sidecar file support used to work, I haven't
used it for two years or more, and now I tried and I can't get it working.
I added "pp3 pano lhdr txt p2vr pef.pp3" to the audio extensions list, hit OK,
re-scanned for new images, even restarted digiKam a few times, and it still
won't show any of these files.
http://i.imgur.com/JoLIUCB.jpg

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

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--- Comment #11 from Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> ---
There is a bug about audio management. Files are just ignored.

Gilles Caulier

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[DrSlony-4]

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--- Comment #12 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
OK, it doesn't work for Movie Files or Image Files either.

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

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--- Comment #13 from Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> ---
Movies files work well. Only Audio management is a problem. Look bug #319921

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[DrSlony-4]

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--- Comment #14 from DrSlony <[hidden email]> ---
I added pp3;pano;p2vr;txt to Movie and Image, refreshed, restarted, and they do
not show.

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            Version|0.10.0                      |4.2.0

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