[Bug 187651] New: Should be clear wether we work on copies or original files

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           Summary: Should be clear wether we work on copies or original
                    files
           Product: digikam
           Version: unspecified
          Platform: Compiled Sources
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: normal
          Priority: NOR
         Component: general
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Version:           0.10 + svn rev.: 941273 (using Devel)
OS:                Linux
Installed from:    Compiled sources

The import wizard says "enter a location where you want to store your images"
but then it doesn't store anything but a database file.

I think it's important to make clear we work directly on originals by using a
more accurate wording.

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--- Comment #1 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-03-19 22:37:52 ---
please make a string proposal

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--- Comment #2 from felipe <pollycoke gmail com>  2009-03-19 23:29:14 ---
I think something like this scenario would be perfect:

1) Adopt XDG Folders spec for Photos as default value
2) Just ask "Where do you keep you Photos?"
3) Don't ask anything about the db and drop it in the photos dir.
4) Wait for Nepomuk to understand XDG Folders ;)

I also think you should better remove all that text and replace it with an
import progress bar.

Cheers

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--- Comment #3 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-03-20 09:15:58 ---
>1) Adopt XDG Folders spec for Photos as default value

I cannot see why we need to use this technical concept. it's too complicated
for end users. Nobody has already ask something like that before...

>2) Just ask "Where do you keep you Photos?"

It's already clear for me. you just plug your repository where your photos are
stored. that all. I cannot see any pb with current dialog informations...

>3) Don't ask anything about the db and drop it in the photos dir.

Certainly not !!!
digiKam use a local DB since a very long time. and it's work fine. we don't
want to break anything. especially to use Nepomuk !

>4) Wait for Nepomuk to understand XDG Folders ;)

No and no. Nepomuk support will be implemented as optional and will never
replace current solution using local DB...

For the moment Nepomuk is not the ultimate technology to include everywhere.
it's not mature for me, and it's already hard to include new KDE4 technologies
as Solid, Phonon etc without side effect or bad regressions.This is why Nepomuk
is not integrated in digiKam yet...

We want to have a suitable application which users can use as well, else it
will never work and we will never release something.

Nepomuk support is already in another B.K.O entry. No need to make
duplicates...

Gilles Caulier

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--- Comment #4 from felipe <pollycoke gmail com>  2009-03-20 10:10:27 ---
1) End users just see something like "Photos" (XDG Folders are localized),
which is way better that the present $HOME. How come is that complicated? :)

2) OooK, it just wasn't so clear for me :) Maybe a word from our usability
experts?

3) "Certainly not?!" Hey what I meant was: "keep the current behaviour, but
without asking users about databaeses"

4) Ok leave Nepomuk alone.

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--- Comment #5 from FiNeX <finex finex org>  2009-03-20 13:07:59 ---
The initial question could be:
 "where do you want to store the database file?"

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--- Comment #6 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-03-20 13:22:01 ---
Where you want, but not in a shred FS as explained in dialog.

We cannot be more clear...

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--- Comment #7 from Marcel Wiesweg <marcel wiesweg gmx de>  2009-03-20 16:42:46 ---

> 1) Adopt XDG Folders spec for Photos as default value

We are getting the default photos folder from KDE/Qt libs. That should be XDG
compliant. If not, it's the fault of said libraries or the distro.

> 2) Just ask "Where do you keep you Photos?"

So you make the point that "store" implies a future action only, whereas "keep"
implies past, present and future action. I am not a native speaker so I cannot
comment on such language subtleties.

> 3) Don't ask anything about the db and drop it in the photos dir.

It doesn't work for network storage, and we cannot reliably detect an entered
location is network storage.


> 4) Wait for Nepomuk to understand XDG Folders ;)

Don't know which implications this would have for digikam.


There are some use cases where the current, very simple import dialog falls
short. Most obvious is that you can't add multiple locations here but have to
enter setup later. Second is that db location could be offered as a choice in
a) Same location as one storage dir b) inside ~/.kde c) other location. Third
is that this could be a multi-step wizard instead a one-page dialog.

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--- Comment #8 from felipe <pollycoke gmail com>  2009-03-20 17:27:52 ---
@Marcel Wiesweg

1) So it does support XDG Folders, great! BTW the default proposed directory in
my installation was just my home, which holds way too much information to
index! I was basically proposing a nice default, but now I see a nice fallback
is needed as well? :)

2) Don't know if that's too much of a subtlety and I'm not an English native
speaker either, but... Yes, you got it right!

3) Good point. How about turning towards XDG Folder for this too? The spec says
such data should go into $HOME/.local/share/digiKam... KDE & GNOME use this
too.

4) No implications actually, but it could come handy when Nepomuk will be ready

Thank you :)

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--- Comment #9 from Brendan Barry <mailinglist endosquid com>  2009-03-21 23:30:35 ---
Marcel is correct on question #2.

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--- Comment #10 from Marcel Wiesweg <marcel wiesweg gmx de>  2009-03-23 17:58:45 ---
Brendan, we really appreciate native speaker input for such issues.
Is "Where do you keep your image?" (photos, pictures?) all right or would you
suggest other wording?

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--- Comment #11 from Brendan Barry <mailinglist endosquid com>  2009-03-23 19:11:05 ---
Yes, "Where do you keep your images?"  is probably the best phrase for
past-present-future meaning.

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--- Comment #12 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2011-02-03 09:18:25 ---
What's news here ? Marcel, do you have changed something in source code for
2.0.0 ? This entry can be closed ?

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--- Comment #13 from Marcel Wiesweg <marcel wiesweg gmx de>  2011-02-03 22:02:52 ---
I probably did not look here since March 09...
There are some smaller fixes to be done here: the wording and the first-start
dialog.

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--- Comment #14 from marcello <vivymarcy tiscali it>  2011-02-18 01:52:48 ---
when do you plan to fix this? it's really ugly and confusing...


cheers,
Marcello

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--- Comment #15 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2011-12-13 13:31:29 ---
I'm completly lost with this entry. What we need to do about wording
improvements ?

Gilles Caulier

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