[Bug 115157] New: digikam useability: Image comments/tags dialog: hard to find/see all already selected tags (and to 'de'select them)

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------- Additional Comments From fabien.ubuntu gmail com  2006-12-20 10:15 -------
Finally, I've got a simple idea : there could just be 2 small buttons on the top of the panel to choose between tabs view and standard view.
What's your opinion ?
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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 10:22 -------
It could be not simple to implement, but not impossible to do. I can also revert the tab view implementation if necessary...

The discussion still open. I have chosen a tab view to add more free space (try to display all tags of an huge Tags collection with the old implementation : it's not really suitable). Personnally i'm happy with it, but yes, it change a little bit the comments & tags editing workflow.

To resume, the users will have the last word about this subject. Let's me hear your viewpoints. Is tab view is the right way to display Comments & Tags sidebar content, and especially to separate the Tags view ?

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> ------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20
> 10:22 ------- It could be not simple to implement, but not impossible to
> do. I can also revert the tab view implementation if necessary...
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> The discussion still open. I have chosen a tab view to add more free space
> (try to display all tags of an huge Tags collection with the old
> implementation : it's not really suitable). Personnally i'm happy with it,
> but yes, it change a little bit the comments & tags editing workflow.
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> hear your viewpoints. Is tab view is the right way to display Comments &
> Tags sidebar content, and especially to separate the Tags view ?
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In my opinion the original comment space (upper half) was enough, what was
really needed is the summary view of the applied tags.

So my suggestion would be to go back to the center split version (comments,
dates, rating, tags) and keep the little button of the tag summary.

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------- Additional Comments From gerhard kulzer net  2006-12-20 10:43 -------
Am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 10:22 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
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In my opinion the original comment space (upper half) was enough, what was
really needed is the summary view of the applied tags.

So my suggestion would be to go back to the center split version (comments,
dates, rating, tags) and keep the little button of the tag summary.

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------- Additional Comments From fabien.ubuntu gmail com  2006-12-20 11:22 -------
I agree with Gerhard.
For me, it would really be a problem to not be able to see all informations (description, comment, rate and tags) at the same time.
Or if you want to keep space for tags, we could use 3 tabs :
- view (mixed view of all elements)
- edit description (full height edit box)
- edit tags (full height tags list)


BTW, I can't find it but I'm sure I read it somewhere in archives... What is the max size for comments (ie to be stored in IPTC, EXIF and JFIF) ?
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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 11:29 -------
IPTC caption : limited to 2000 ASCII char.
JFIF comments : it's a dedicaced JPEG section typically limited to 65535 bytes (not especially ASCII char)
EXIF comments : it's a tag from the Exif JPEG section. Limitation is 65535 bytes - size of others Exif tags from this section (not especially ASCII char). This limitation is true for JPEG only. TIFF and PNG can store more than 65535 bytes.

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------- Additional Comments From ach mpe mpg de  2006-12-20 11:44 -------
I also prefer a version that shows desc comment rate and only assigned tags
together.  (Regardsless how big a tags area is it can't show my tag hierarchy completely;) )

Howto switch to 'show all tags' to use it for assigning new tags I'm not sure.
I assume it's important that switching via keyboard is important. Otherwise it
interupts the workflow.

Brainstorming:
Maybe a widget with  'line edit with autocompletition'  plus a list of recently
used tags below  that can be expanded [Edit >>] and collapsed [Edit <<] like
the option button in KDE's printer dialog?

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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 12:48 -------
ok... I try again before my hollidays (:=)))...

At url below, there is a screenshot of the new layout of Comment & Tags sidebar. Look like the space used verticaly is very optimized. I have removed all QGroupBox and oriented horizontally label and widget when it's possible (Date and Rating)

http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/newcommentsandtagssidebarlayout.png

Tags search bar is under Tags view to separate these widgets of others ("My tags" root text is on the top of Tags stuff like a title).

Achim, i have add an "Apply Changes" button like you talk to me recently by IRC. This will be less confuse for user i think...

The screen size is 1024*3 / 768 (xinerama)

I attach to this thread a patch to test on your computer.

Let's me hear your viewpoints...

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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 12:54 -------
Created an attachment (id=18986)
 --> (http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=18986&action=view)
new optimized comments and tags side bar layout
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------- Additional Comments From arnd.baecker web de  2006-12-20 14:26 -------
This looks rather good to me.
Would it technically be possible that
a user can resize the vertical space used for the comment
(e.g. down to one line ... ;-)?

Another point is also nicely seen in this screenshot:
Sometimes I would like to make the Comments/Tags part
as small as possible (horizontally).
However, there is always a minium width.
I would not care, if  part of the date, time and rating become
invisible. I.e. in the screenshot I would like to reduce
the width so that only the first "d" of "ddd" stays visible.
This is enough to assign tags while having a maximum
amount of space in the middle for as many thumbs as possible.

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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 14:36 -------
> Would it technically be possible that a user can resize the vertical space used for the comment (e.g. down to one line ... ;-)?

Well, no, because i suspect a bug in KDE libs about this point. You not the first guy to ask me this feature. We using a KTextEdit widget (witch support Spell Checking) and i suspect a problem in this widget witch set a miminal height by default.

Note than in the patch, i always set the maximum height to Tags view.

Other little optimization is to remove the "Comments:" label on the top to get more vertical free space. We can set a tool tip message like "Enter here your comments" witch be appear when the user move mouse under the KTextEdit.

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------- Additional Comments From arnd.baecker web de  2006-12-20 14:44 -------
Honestly, I would not care about spell checking,
if there is a another text widget which allows vertical resizing ;-).
But maybe others got used to spell-checking ...

I am not sure about the mouse-over variant - seems a bit too hidden
in my opinion (thinking of new users. Personally I would not mind).
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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 14:47 -------
We have used KTextEdit instead QTextEdit especially for Spell Check. I remember a wish in B.K.O about...

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------- Additional Comments From caulier.gilles kdemail net  2006-12-20 15:58 -------
Fabien, Achim, Gerhard, etc...

...Your viewpoints about new layout proposal ?

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------- Additional Comments From fabien.ubuntu gmail com  2006-12-20 16:00 -------
I just recompiled and tried. I like it !
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------- Additional Comments From mikmach wp pl  2006-12-20 17:28 -------
Agree with Gerhard, plus possibility to drag separator between comments
and tags increasing/decreasing appropriate area.
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------- Additional Comments From mikmach wp pl  2006-12-20 17:32 -------
> ------- Honestly, I would not care about spell checking,

Spell checking in text widgets is one of major KDE "selling points",
please don't remove that feature.
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It took me a while to realise that there was a patch and not a svn commit...

But now I compiled it and I like it, very efficient :-))

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------- Additional Comments From gerhard kulzer net  2006-12-20 17:52 -------
Am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 15:58 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
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It took me a while to realise that there was a patch and not a svn commit...

But now I compiled it and I like it, very efficient :-))

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Am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 17:32 schrieb Mikolaj Machowski:

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I agree, every time somebody sees this feature on my machine, they're
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