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Paul Verizzo

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What's with this message deletion? I've not had it happen in prior mails.

This whole thing of (seems to me) the Linux community abhorring HTML mail is beyond the pale. It's REALLY aggravating and only serves to limit the audience to The Chosen Few.

It'll probably scrub this one, too.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:25:05 +0100
From: Julien Narboux [hidden email]
Subject: [Digikam-users] Re: Digikam participation in KDE's Google
	Code-In?
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Le 08/11/2010 11:22, Gilles Caulier a ?crit :

2010/11/8 Julien Narboux[hidden email]:

Gilles,

I think it is a very good idea, maybe nsis could be used instead of a
simple zip:

It's not a simple zip. It's zip compression based on LZMA algorithm,
better than ZIP

KDE4 + digikam : ZIP : around 300 Mb
KDE4 + digikam : ZIP : around 200 Mb

See the difference (:=)))


nsis also support LZMA see here:
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Features

http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page

It is easy to add icons to the start menu, to register the application
into windows etc...

It's easy ? . I take a look to sample code : I don't understand this
language... Thi sis why i used 7zip instead...


maybe not that easy to do complex things,
  but writing a script by hand that supports adding things to the 
Windows registery is not that simple either.
It may depend on windows version, if the user is "root" or not...

Julien

Gilles






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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:41:23 +0100
From: Johannes Wienke [hidden email]
Subject: [Digikam-users] Re: Digikam participation in KDE's Google
	Code-In?
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- Writing unit tests ;)
- Once again an automatic dust and scratch reduction approach
- A completely redesigned tagging workflow. The current integration in
the right sidebar with Marcel's improvements still isn't sufficient to
tag efficiently a lot of photos at once.
- Statistic tools. We got a lot of data, why not generate some nice
graphs and statistics from this, e.g. percentage of certain image
formats or color types, geolocation-based stuff etc.

Johannes

On 11/08/2010 09:47 AM, Julien Narboux wrote:

Some proposals:

- updating the DigiKam handbook
- creating in depth comparisons between DigiKam and other software

Julien

Le 08/11/2010 08:53, Gilles Caulier a ?crit :

2010/11/6 Vivek Prakash <[hidden email] [hidden email]>

    Hello Digikam developers and users,

    I wanted to let you know a potential opportunity to leverage
    external resources to improve Digikam.  This might be useful with
    Digikam 2.0 on the horizon. It's worth a look.

    Vivek


Why not... We must talk about some taks to do in digiKam, not too complex.

The thead is open. let's go to proposals...

Gilles Caulier


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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:44:10 +0100
From: Gilles Caulier [hidden email]
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2010/11/8 Johannes Wienke [hidden email]:

- Writing unit tests ;)
- Once again an automatic dust and scratch reduction approach
- A completely redesigned tagging workflow. The current integration in
the right sidebar with Marcel's improvements still isn't sufficient to
tag efficiently a lot of photos at once.


The keyboard shorcuts approach is the best for that, as KMail do...

Gilles


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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:55:39 -0500
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Subject: [Digikam-users]  More on Windows and digiKam
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Darren Kirby

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On Monday 08 November 2010 08:02:07 Paul Verizzo wrote:
> What's with this message deletion? I've not had it happen in prior mails.
>
> This whole thing of (seems to me) the Linux community abhorring HTML mail
> is beyond the pale.

The 'Linux community' abhors bloat and obfuscation. There is zero reason to
send HTML emails other than to make your formatting 'pretty'. They are at
least twice as big, usually more, than a regular text emails. They are
unreadable by many email clients. Yes, some people still read their mail in a
text console. They automatically load external references from the internet.
They hide viruses.

They add nothing of value.

> It's REALLY aggravating

And I find it aggravating sorting through useless bloated HTML emails. Many
people filter them straight into the junk bin. There are sound reasons for
doing so.

> and only serves to limit the
> audience to The Chosen Few.

Actually, by insisting on HTML emails _you_ are limiting _your_ audience.

This entire topic is beating a dead horse however. A simple google for 'html
email harmful' will provide you many links worth of compelling arguments why
technical minded folks don't like HTML emails.

No matter which you prefer, and the relative merits thereof, the simple fact
is the community you are trying to communicate with doesn't like HTML emails.
Know your audience and respect them...when in Rome and all that.

>
> It'll probably scrub this one, too.
>
> Paul
>

Darren

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pshute

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Shouldn't most mail clients that use HTML include both a text and an HTML version in the email so that other mail clients can display either?

Is this something new that's been turned on for the list, or is Paul's client doing something it didn't used to? Are entire emails being rejected, or just sections?

Personally, I don't think HTML is worth the overhead, but there's too much out there to be discarding emails.

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On Monday 08 November 2010 08:02:07 Paul Verizzo wrote:

> What's with this message deletion? I've not had it happen in prior mails.

>

> This whole thing of (seems to me) the Linux community abhorring HTML mail

> is beyond the pale.

The 'Linux community' abhors bloat and obfuscation. There is zero reason to

send HTML emails other than to make your formatting 'pretty'. They are at

least twice as big, usually more, than a regular text emails. They are

unreadable by many email clients. Yes, some people still read their mail in a

text console. They automatically load external references from the internet.

They hide viruses.

They add nothing of value.

> It's REALLY aggravating

And I find it aggravating sorting through useless bloated HTML emails. Many

people filter them straight into the junk bin. There are sound reasons for

doing so.

> and only serves to limit the

> audience to The Chosen Few.

Actually, by insisting on HTML emails _you_ are limiting _your_ audience.

This entire topic is beating a dead horse however. A simple google for 'html

email harmful' will provide you many links worth of compelling arguments why

technical minded folks don't like HTML emails.

No matter which you prefer, and the relative merits thereof, the simple fact

is the community you are trying to communicate with doesn't like HTML emails.

Know your audience and respect them...when in Rome and all that.

>

> It'll probably scrub this one, too.

>

> Paul

>

Darren

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Le 08/11/2010 20:07, Peter Shute a écrit :
> Shouldn't most mail clients that use HTML include both a text and
> an HTML version in the email so that other mail clients can display
> either?

yes, that's also for this that html mails are so big. Most linux
mailing-lists reject html. As we have now also windows users, we have
to educate them - not always easy

and, please, answer, if necessary, *after* the part of the message you
answer to, and remover the unnecessary one.

thanks
jdd

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But if there's both an HTML and a text section, why not just strip out the HTML? I thought the issue here was problems reading the mail, not with the bandwidth use.

I'm not suggesting any changes to long standing arrangements, just wondering is this blocking has only just been turned on.

There's absolutely no need for HTML in a list like this, but I think those who inadvertently try it need explanations and assistance, not blank rejections.

Almost all Windows users have it configured by default without their knowledge. Users of Outlook, etc, I would suggest changing the setting to text mode, but with HTML replies to HTML emails. That's a reasonable compromise.

And sorry, I'd dearly love to post/inter quote for you, but a Blackberry phone *cannot* do that. I have complained, and requested the development of an app to reformat to allow it, but no one appears interested, or to understand the need for it.

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Le 08/11/2010 20:07, Peter Shute a écrit :
> Shouldn't most mail clients that use HTML include both a text and
> an HTML version in the email so that other mail clients can display
> either?

yes, that's also for this that html mails are so big. Most linux
mailing-lists reject html. As we have now also windows users, we have
to educate them - not always easy

and, please, answer, if necessary, *after* the part of the message you
answer to, and remover the unnecessary one.

thanks
jdd

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