images created through open-with dialog do not shine up in current session

[Markus Spring]

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I am using bibble and lightzone for raw conversion.

When I start these applications through the right-mouseclick-open-with dialogue
and save the result in the current folder in one of these programmes, digikam
9.3 does not show the new result file even after pressing F5 key. The system is
ubuntu 7.10

I remember faintly that it did work in earlier version.

Any solution for this?

Regards - Markus
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Marcus,

digiKam use KDE API to check changes from HDD, especially KDirWatch class.

http://api.kde.org/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/kio/html/classKDirWatch.html

This one use FAM service on Linux system. Are you installed this service on your computer ?

Gilles Caulier

2008/1/16, Markus Spring <[hidden email]>:

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I am using bibble and lightzone for raw conversion.

When I start these applications through the right-mouseclick-open-with dialogue
and save the result in the current folder in one of these programmes, digikam
9.3 does not show the new result file even after pressing F5 key. The system is
ubuntu 7.10

I remember faintly that it did work in earlier version.

Any solution for this?

Regards - Markus
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Gilles Caulier wrote:
> This one use FAM service on Linux system. Are you installed this service
> on your computer ?
Gilles,
thank you for your answer. FAM was indeed not installed in my Kubuntu, probably
because it was derived from a Ubuntu installation with a following apt-get
install kubuntu-desktop. I have made up for this and checked that famd is
running now.

Unfortunately it still doesn't work in digikam. I have checked konqueror, it
indeed updates the displayed files when remove an image through digikam, but
this does not happen the other way round, i.e. changing the files through
konqueror and watching in digikam.

Any ideas how to further check/resolve this?

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Markus Spring wrote:

> Gilles Caulier wrote:
> > This one use FAM service on Linux system. Are you installed this service
> > on your computer ?
> Gilles,
> thank you for your answer. FAM was indeed not installed in my Kubuntu, probably
> because it was derived from a Ubuntu installation with a following apt-get
> install kubuntu-desktop. I have made up for this and checked that famd is
> running now.
>
> Unfortunately it still doesn't work in digikam. I have checked konqueror, it
> indeed updates the displayed files when remove an image through digikam, but
> this does not happen the other way round, i.e. changing the files through
> konqueror and watching in digikam.
>
> Any ideas how to further check/resolve this?

Just two thoughts which most likely are way off:
- did you run kdeinit after installing the FAM?
  (not that I know that this would be necessary, in particular
   because it works with konqueror ...)
- this is even more absurd: does it make a difference
  to configure/compile of digikam whether FAM is installed or not?
  (If so, a fresh re-install might help.)

Hmm, so nothing profound here,

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Arnd Baecker wrote:
| - did you run kdeinit after installing the FAM?
|   (not that I know that this would be necessary, in particular
|    because it works with konqueror ...)
restarted the whole computer, inserted kbuildsycoca into the start script of the
svn version
| - this is even more absurd: does it make a difference
|   to configure/compile of digikam whether FAM is installed or not?
|   (If so, a fresh re-install might help.)
did a make distclean in graphics and libs and compiled and installed afterwards
afresh

no change :((

the precompiled 9.2 installed from the repository works fine

That leaves me somewhat helpless...

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Markus Spring wrote:
| the precompiled 9.2 installed from the repository works fine

today did a new check: killed all the source directories and checked out 9.4svn
and compiled and installed

Unfortunately the bug remained: derivative files created with digikam through
editing of an existing file show up, files created through editing in gimp don't
show until digikam is restarted.

konqueror shows immidiately such newly created files, so fam seems to work in
principle. ps says that famd is running...

but I don't know how to find out more details about this error.

9.2 out of the ubuntu package repository does not show this bug but behaves
correctly

Any help will be appreciated

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Op dinsdag 22 januari 2008, schreef Markus Spring:

  > Unfortunately the bug remained: derivative files created with
  > digikam through editing of an existing file show up, files created
  > through editing in gimp don't show until digikam is restarted.
I am using svn as wel, and recently I am seeing the same behaviour. Not
always, and sometimes it is solved with refreshing the window pressing
F5. Sometimes a restart of Digikam is necessary.

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2008/1/22, Caspar Maessen <[hidden email]>:

Op dinsdag 22 januari 2008, schreef Markus Spring:

  > Unfortunately the bug remained: derivative files created with
  > digikam through editing of an existing file show up, files created
  > through editing in gimp don't show until digikam is restarted.
I am using svn as wel, and recently I am seeing the same behaviour. Not
always, and sometimes it is solved with refreshing the window pressing
F5. Sometimes a restart of Digikam is necessary.

Caspar.

Yes, Caspar, i can reproduce it on my computer since previous Christmas hollidays, when i have processed more than 1000 RAW pictures in my workflow.

I have not yet identified where is the problem...

Marcel, i'm not alone like you can see.

Gilles
 

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[Markus Spring]

Gilles Caulier wrote:
> Yes, Caspar, i can reproduce it on my computer since previous Christmas
> hollidays, when i have processed more than 1000 RAW pictures in my workflow.

Good to see that this bug is visible. If I can be of any help tracing it, please
let me know.

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Marcus,

Your problem sound like similar than mine or Caspar.

A new image add to collection is generally always detected by digiKam.

Only few time, (around 10%), new items are not detected properlly.

I have seen this problem to enable counts of items in folder view and to work on editor on my RAW files.
I use 2 flat screens at home, in xinerama mode. first screen in album gui, second is Editor or LitghtTable (i missing a 3nd screen for that (:=)))

When i save from editor a raw file to PNG, i can see imediatly if new items created are count in folder view from album gui.

I can see the same problem when items are moved frrom a physical album to a new one. in rare cases, counts of items are wrong. restarting digiKam fix the problem.

The main problem is than digiKam do not detect sometimes the new files on HDD and do not start a scan to import items in Database. My first impression is a problem in KDirWatch witch do the detection job (using FAM service)

A second way is a race condition somewhere, perhaps in DIO class witch process copy/move/scan of files in background and are invocated by KDirWatch.

I'm waiting than Marcel try to reproduce the problem to be sure.

My config is given below :

Mandriva 2008.0 - PIV 3.4Ghz HT - 2 Gb RAM - SATA HDD 350 GB - KDE 3.5.8

Marcel, i'm waiting your comments...

Best

Gilles

2008/1/22, Markus Spring <[hidden email]>:

Gilles Caulier wrote:
> Yes, Caspar, i can reproduce it on my computer since previous Christmas
> hollidays, when i have processed more than 1000 RAW pictures in my workflow.

Good to see that this bug is visible. If I can be of any help tracing it, please
let me know.

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Am Mittwoch 23 Januar 2008 schrieben Sie:

> Marcus,
>
> Your problem sound like similar than mine or Caspar.
>
> A new image add to collection is generally always detected by digiKam.
>
> Only few time, (around 10%), new items are not detected properlly.
>
> I have seen this problem to enable counts of items in folder view and to
> work on editor on my RAW files.
> I use 2 flat screens at home, in xinerama mode. first screen in album gui,
> second is Editor or LitghtTable (i missing a 3nd screen for that (:=)))
>
> When i save from editor a raw file to PNG, i can see imediatly if new items
> created are count in folder view from album gui.
>
> I can see the same problem when items are moved frrom a physical album to a
> new one. in rare cases, counts of items are wrong. restarting digiKam fix
> the problem.
>
> The main problem is than digiKam do not detect sometimes the new files on
> HDD and do not start a scan to import items in Database. My first
> impression is a problem in KDirWatch witch do the detection job (using FAM
> service)
>
> A second way is a race condition somewhere, perhaps in DIO class witch
> process copy/move/scan of files in background and are invocated by
> KDirWatch.
>
> I'm waiting than Marcel try to reproduce the problem to be sure.
>
> My config is given below :
>
> Mandriva 2008.0 - PIV 3.4Ghz HT - 2 Gb RAM - SATA HDD 350 GB - KDE 3.5.8
>
> Marcel, i'm waiting your comments...

I have tried now to reproduce this by copying an image by a script to an empty
album and deleting that afterwards. I was _not_ able to reproduce the problem
with this test.
This may mean that my system does not have this problem, or the test case does
not trigger it. (I tried often enough to consider the result as significant
for the proposed 10% occurrence).

Do you usually encounter this when digikam is busy with copying or changing of
other files, or also when nothing else is active?

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2008/1/23, Marcel Wiesweg <[hidden email]>:

Am Mittwoch 23 Januar 2008 schrieben Sie:

> Marcus,
>
> Your problem sound like similar than mine or Caspar.
>
> A new image add to collection is generally always detected by digiKam.
>
> Only few time, (around 10%), new items are not detected properlly.
>
> I have seen this problem to enable counts of items in folder view and to
> work on editor on my RAW files.
> I use 2 flat screens at home, in xinerama mode. first screen in album gui,
> second is Editor or LitghtTable (i missing a 3nd screen for that (:=)))
>
> When i save from editor a raw file to PNG, i can see imediatly if new items
> created are count in folder view from album gui.
>
> I can see the same problem when items are moved frrom a physical album to a
> new one. in rare cases, counts of items are wrong. restarting digiKam fix
> the problem.
>
> The main problem is than digiKam do not detect sometimes the new files on
> HDD and do not start a scan to import items in Database. My first
> impression is a problem in KDirWatch witch do the detection job (using FAM
> service)
>
> A second way is a race condition somewhere, perhaps in DIO class witch
> process copy/move/scan of files in background and are invocated by
> KDirWatch.
>
> I'm waiting than Marcel try to reproduce the problem to be sure.
>
> My config is given below :
>
> Mandriva 2008.0 - PIV 3.4Ghz HT - 2 Gb RAM - SATA HDD 350 GB - KDE 3.5.8
>
> Marcel, i'm waiting your comments...

I have tried now to reproduce this by copying an image by a script to an empty
album and deleting that afterwards. I was _not_ able to reproduce the problem
with this test.
This may mean that my system does not have this problem, or the test case does
not trigger it. (I tried often enough to consider the result as significant
for the proposed 10% occurrence).

Do you usually encounter this when digikam is busy with copying or changing of
other files, or also when nothing else is active?

Nothing else is active when i have work on my 1000 RAW pictures. Only digiKam  with LightTable and Editor running on my computer.

This can be relevant of number of albums drived by KDirWatch / FAM to check dirty places on HDD.

Perhaps there is a limit somewhere (not in digiKam of course)...

Currently, my computer host 4352 pictures (20Gb of RAW + PNG + JPG) into 232 albums.

Marcus, Caspar, How many albums and how many items do you drive with digiKam ?

Gilles



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Op woensdag 23 januari 2008, schreef Gilles Caulier:

  > Marcus, Caspar, How many albums and how many items do you drive
  > with digiKam ?

1835 jpg's in 33 albums.

One of the folders, which is normally empty, I use as workingspace in my
workflow, for converting raw images and catalogueing the results. For
the raw conversion I use an external program (BibblePro) which uses the
same directory as the Digikam-album. After a batch conversion I
sometimes notice that not all the converted jpg's are represented in
the album, while they are physically present in the directory. As I
stated before F5 sometimes solves the matter or restarting Digikam is
necessary.


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openSUSE 10.3 (i586), Linux 2.6.22.13-0.3-bigsmp i686
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Gilles Caulier a écrit :

>
>
> 2008/1/23, Marcel Wiesweg <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Am Mittwoch 23 Januar 2008 schrieben Sie:
>     > Marcus,
>     >
>     > Your problem sound like similar than mine or Caspar.
>     >
>     > A new image add to collection is generally always detected by
>     digiKam.
>     >
>     > Only few time, (around 10%), new items are not detected properlly.
>     >
>     > I have seen this problem to enable counts of items in folder
>     view and to
>     > work on editor on my RAW files.
>     > I use 2 flat screens at home, in xinerama mode. first screen in
>     album gui,
>     > second is Editor or LitghtTable (i missing a 3nd screen for that
>     (:=)))
>     >
>     > When i save from editor a raw file to PNG, i can see imediatly
>     if new items
>     > created are count in folder view from album gui.
>     >
>     > I can see the same problem when items are moved frrom a physical
>     album to a
>     > new one. in rare cases, counts of items are wrong. restarting
>     digiKam fix
>     > the problem.
>     >
>     > The main problem is than digiKam do not detect sometimes the new
>     files on
>     > HDD and do not start a scan to import items in Database. My first
>     > impression is a problem in KDirWatch witch do the detection job
>     (using FAM
>     > service)
>     >
>     > A second way is a race condition somewhere, perhaps in DIO class
>     witch
>     > process copy/move/scan of files in background and are invocated by
>     > KDirWatch.
>     >
>     > I'm waiting than Marcel try to reproduce the problem to be sure.
>     >
>     > My config is given below :
>     >
>     > Mandriva 2008.0 - PIV 3.4Ghz HT - 2 Gb RAM - SATA HDD 350 GB -
>     KDE 3.5.8
>

I have sometimes exactly the same problem, Digikam does not see new
pictures.
I am runing : Digikam 0.9.3 kde 3.5.7 on mandriva 2008.0. Next time it
occurs I will try to tell you exactly what I was doing.

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Gilles Caulier wrote:
| Marcus, Caspar, How many albums and how many items do you drive with
| digiKam ?

I have 14400 image files occupying ~ 60GB in 170 directories.

The error occurs when testing in a quite empty directory (2 files) as well as in
a full one (200 files). It occurs with editing done through gimp or bibble or
lightzone.

digikam 9.2, which is the last one I got from the repositories, does not show
this problem. konqueror reflects changes in the directory immediately.

Machines are a Pentium-M Laptop with 1GB RAM and a Dualcore Athlon with 2GB RAM
OS is Ubuntu 7.10 32bit

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| Gilles Caulier wrote:
| | Marcus, Caspar, How many albums and how many items do you drive with
| | digiKam ?

For an interim solution, would it be possible to let the F5-key (Albums-update)
to do a "hard" update of the directory content in order to avoid re-start of
digikam?

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What happened?

Gilles, some dark magic? It works again - compiled 1hr ago

Thanks a lot! - Markus
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What happened?

Gilles, some dark magic? It works again - compiled 1hr ago

??? I don't  understand ? Witch dark magic ? I'm not magician (:=)))

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Marcus,

It will be very interressing to found what do you changed/updated/fixed on your computer. Please process some investigations about...

Gilles

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What happened?

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Julien, Caspar, Marcus,

I suspect than an indeep bug is now present in code. I recommend to create a new bugzilla entry with all report done in this mailing list.

Me and Marcel we will investigate later...

Thanks in advance

Gilles

2008/1/24, Julien Narboux <[hidden email]>:

Gilles Caulier a écrit :
>
>
> 2008/1/23, Marcel Wiesweg <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>:
>
>     Am Mittwoch 23 Januar 2008 schrieben Sie:
>     > Marcus,
>     >
>     > Your problem sound like similar than mine or Caspar.
>     >
>     > A new image add to collection is generally always detected by
>     digiKam.
>     >
>     > Only few time, (around 10%), new items are not detected properlly.
>     >
>     > I have seen this problem to enable counts of items in folder
>     view and to
>     > work on editor on my RAW files.
>     > I use 2 flat screens at home, in xinerama mode. first screen in
>     album gui,
>     > second is Editor or LitghtTable (i missing a 3nd screen for that
>     (:=)))
>     >
>     > When i save from editor a raw file to PNG, i can see imediatly
>     if new items
>     > created are count in folder view from album gui.
>     >
>     > I can see the same problem when items are moved frrom a physical
>     album to a
>     > new one. in rare cases, counts of items are wrong. restarting
>     digiKam fix
>     > the problem.
>     >
>     > The main problem is than digiKam do not detect sometimes the new
>     files on
>     > HDD and do not start a scan to import items in Database. My first
>     > impression is a problem in KDirWatch witch do the detection job
>     (using FAM
>     > service)
>     >
>     > A second way is a race condition somewhere, perhaps in DIO class
>     witch
>     > process copy/move/scan of files in background and are invocated by
>     > KDirWatch.
>     >
>     > I'm waiting than Marcel try to reproduce the problem to be sure.
>     >
>     > My config is given below :
>     >
>     > Mandriva 2008.0 - PIV 3.4Ghz HT - 2 Gb RAM - SATA HDD 350 GB -
>     KDE 3.5.8
>
I have sometimes exactly the same problem, Digikam does not see new
pictures.
I am runing : Digikam 0.9.3 kde 3.5.7 on mandriva 2008.0. Next time it
occurs I will try to tell you exactly what I was doing.

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