Some questions about the ImageEditor

[Chris Green]

First question (whose answer may clear up a lot of the subsequent
ones), is there no help?

When I click on help or use the links from the main Digikam manual I
get:-
    There is no documentation available for /digikamimageplugins/index.htm

This is on a standard digikam 0.9.2-final installation on Fedora 7.


Anyway, to a question and a comment:-

    I'm confused by the two ! icons which appear in various places.
    They're in the view menu marked as "Under Exposure Indicator" and
    "Over Exposure Indicator", what do they do?  Do the same icons do
    the same thing in the other places where they appear.

    What confused me a lot in the View menu is that many (all?) of the
    commands are toggles, so "Fit to Window" for example does the
    opposite of "Fit to Window" the first time you click on it!


I suspect that for the rest I will begin to get more familiar with
digikam, it's certainly 'smoother' than when I last tried it a couple
of years ago and it's beaten Picasa for me this time.

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[Arnd Baecker]

Hi Chris

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Chris G wrote:

> First question (whose answer may clear up a lot of the subsequent
> ones), is there no help?
>
> When I click on help or use the links from the main Digikam manual I
> get:-
>     There is no documentation available for /digikamimageplugins/index.htm
>
> This is on a standard digikam 0.9.2-final installation on Fedora 7.

So this is provided by Fedora, and not self-installed?
Then I have no idea why it is not there, and
it should have been provided  in the default installation.

But you can access the really good documentation online via the link at
  http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs
(as always comments/suggestions/additions are welcome)

> Anyway, to a question and a comment:-
>
>     I'm confused by the two ! icons which appear in various places.
>     They're in the view menu marked as "Under Exposure Indicator" and
>     "Over Exposure Indicator", what do they do?  Do the same icons do
>     the same thing in the other places where they appear.

Yes. If not this should be corrected.

Images may show over-exposed (i.e. just white) or
under-exposed (just black) regions.
This should at best be avoided when taking the picture.
In addition, one may create over-/under exposed regions
when applying image manipulations.
(Presumably the best is to try it out in the curves editing
by fiddling around with the curve to lead to over-exposed/under-exposed
regions ...)


>     What confused me a lot in the View menu is that many (all?) of the
>     commands are toggles, so "Fit to Window" for example does the
>     opposite of "Fit to Window" the first time you click on it!
>

hmm, sounds like a useability issue. Will have a look tomorrow.
Please, continue to report issues like this,
because after a while one gets just "blind" to such obstacles...

> I suspect that for the rest I will begin to get more familiar with
> digikam, it's certainly 'smoother' than when I last tried it a couple
> of years ago and it's beaten Picasa for me this time.

Good to hear that, still comments/suggestions are very welcome!

Best, Arnd
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[Chris Green]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:17:36PM +0100, Arnd Baecker wrote:

> Hi Chris
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Chris G wrote:
>
> > First question (whose answer may clear up a lot of the subsequent
> > ones), is there no help?
> >
> > When I click on help or use the links from the main Digikam manual I
> > get:-
> >     There is no documentation available for /digikamimageplugins/index.htm
> >
> > This is on a standard digikam 0.9.2-final installation on Fedora 7.
>
> So this is provided by Fedora, and not self-installed?
> Then I have no idea why it is not there, and
> it should have been provided  in the default installation.
>
> But you can access the really good documentation online via the link at
>   http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs
> (as always comments/suggestions/additions are welcome)
>

Aha!  Maybe I have found the (an?) issue here.  My digikam manual says in
Chapter 1  Background:-

    digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with basic image editing
    tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
    comment and rate them, make corrections and alterations. The
    editing power can be easily extended by two sets of plugins, the
    Kde Image Plugins Interface (manual) and the DigikamImagePlugins.
    (manual)

I.e. it has links to separate Kipi and Image plugin documentation.
However the online documentation you have pointed to at
http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs *doesn't'* have the link to Image
plugin documentation, it says:-

    digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with many image editing
    tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
    comment and rate them, correct, enhance and alter them. The
    editing power can be easily extended by a set of plugins, the Kde
    Image Plugins Interface (manual)

So which is right?


> > Anyway, to a question and a comment:-
> >
> >     I'm confused by the two ! icons which appear in various places.
> >     They're in the view menu marked as "Under Exposure Indicator" and
> >     "Over Exposure Indicator", what do they do?  Do the same icons do
> >     the same thing in the other places where they appear.
>
> Yes. If not this should be corrected.
>
No, I think they do the same thing, I just wanted to confirm what they
did as there is no 'hover' hint for them so when they appeared in the
image editor I didn't know what they did.


> Images may show over-exposed (i.e. just white) or
> under-exposed (just black) regions.
> This should at best be avoided when taking the picture.
> In addition, one may create over-/under exposed regions
> when applying image manipulations.
> (Presumably the best is to try it out in the curves editing
> by fiddling around with the curve to lead to over-exposed/under-exposed
> regions ...)
>
What confused me to start with was that these two icons did *nothing*.
They (of course, when you know what they do) only do anything visible
when there are either under or over-exposed regions.

>
> >     What confused me a lot in the View menu is that many (all?) of the
> >     commands are toggles, so "Fit to Window" for example does the
> >     opposite of "Fit to Window" the first time you click on it!
> >
>
> hmm, sounds like a useability issue. Will have a look tomorrow.
> Please, continue to report issues like this,
> because after a while one gets just "blind" to such obstacles...
>

Yes, I know the problem!  :-)   I'm very fresh to digikam and thus may
see things with different eyes.

> > I suspect that for the rest I will begin to get more familiar with
> > digikam, it's certainly 'smoother' than when I last tried it a couple
> > of years ago and it's beaten Picasa for me this time.
>
> Good to hear that, still comments/suggestions are very welcome!
>
I used Picasa for a while but its major deficiency for me is its
separation from the 'real' directory/file structure behind it.  The
fact that digikam's albums are *real* directories is a huge plus for
me.

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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

Am Sunday 25 November 2007 schrieb Chris G:

> On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 10:17:36PM +0100, Arnd Baecker wrote:
> > Hi Chris
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Chris G wrote:
> > > First question (whose answer may clear up a lot of the subsequent
> > > ones), is there no help?
> > >
> > > When I click on help or use the links from the main Digikam manual I
> > > get:-
> > >     There is no documentation available for
> > > /digikamimageplugins/index.htm
> > >
> > > This is on a standard digikam 0.9.2-final installation on Fedora 7.
> >
> > So this is provided by Fedora, and not self-installed?
> > Then I have no idea why it is not there, and
> > it should have been provided  in the default installation.
> >
> > But you can access the really good documentation online via the link at
> >   http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs
> > (as always comments/suggestions/additions are welcome)
>
> Aha!  Maybe I have found the (an?) issue here.  My digikam manual says in
> Chapter 1  Background:-
>
>     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with basic image editing
>     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
>     comment and rate them, make corrections and alterations. The
>     editing power can be easily extended by two sets of plugins, the
>     Kde Image Plugins Interface (manual) and the DigikamImagePlugins.
>     (manual)
>
> I.e. it has links to separate Kipi and Image plugin documentation.
> However the online documentation you have pointed to at
> http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs *doesn't'* have the link to Image
> plugin documentation, it says:-
>
>     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with many image editing
>     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
>     comment and rate them, correct, enhance and alter them. The
>     editing power can be easily extended by a set of plugins, the Kde
>     Image Plugins Interface (manual)
>
> So which is right?

Depends on your version.
With 0.9.1 (I think) we moved the digikamimageplugins into the main
application, no separate package and manual anymore, all is in digikam now.
You seem to have an old doc intallation. The online doc is the latest version
of course. The only optional plugins now are the KIPI plugins.

If you install from tarball or svn, there is no help=manual included. For that
you must also install the digikam_doc from sources.

> > > Anyway, to a question and a comment:-
> > >
> > >     I'm confused by the two ! icons which appear in various places.
> > >     They're in the view menu marked as "Under Exposure Indicator" and
> > >     "Over Exposure Indicator", what do they do?  Do the same icons do
> > >     the same thing in the other places where they appear.
> >
> > Yes. If not this should be corrected.
>
> No, I think they do the same thing, I just wanted to confirm what they
> did as there is no 'hover' hint for them so when they appeared in the
> image editor I didn't know what they did.
>
> > Images may show over-exposed (i.e. just white) or
> > under-exposed (just black) regions.
> > This should at best be avoided when taking the picture.
> > In addition, one may create over-/under exposed regions
> > when applying image manipulations.
> > (Presumably the best is to try it out in the curves editing
> > by fiddling around with the curve to lead to over-exposed/under-exposed
> > regions ...)
>
> What confused me to start with was that these two icons did *nothing*.
> They (of course, when you know what they do) only do anything visible
> when there are either under or over-exposed regions.
>
> > >     What confused me a lot in the View menu is that many (all?) of the
> > >     commands are toggles, so "Fit to Window" for example does the
> > >     opposite of "Fit to Window" the first time you click on it!
> >
> > hmm, sounds like a useability issue. Will have a look tomorrow.
> > Please, continue to report issues like this,
> > because after a while one gets just "blind" to such obstacles...
>
> Yes, I know the problem!  :-)   I'm very fresh to digikam and thus may
> see things with different eyes.
>
> > > I suspect that for the rest I will begin to get more familiar with
> > > digikam, it's certainly 'smoother' than when I last tried it a couple
> > > of years ago and it's beaten Picasa for me this time.
> >
> > Good to hear that, still comments/suggestions are very welcome!
>
> I used Picasa for a while but its major deficiency for me is its
> separation from the 'real' directory/file structure behind it.  The
> fact that digikam's albums are *real* directories is a huge plus for
> me.

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[Chris Green]

On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:34:47AM +0100, Gerhard Kulzer wrote:

> Am Sunday 25 November 2007 schrieb Chris G:
> > Aha!  Maybe I have found the (an?) issue here.  My digikam manual says in
> > Chapter 1  Background:-
> >
> >     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with basic image editing
> >     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
> >     comment and rate them, make corrections and alterations. The
> >     editing power can be easily extended by two sets of plugins, the
> >     Kde Image Plugins Interface (manual) and the DigikamImagePlugins.
> >     (manual)
> >
> > I.e. it has links to separate Kipi and Image plugin documentation.
> > However the online documentation you have pointed to at
> > http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs *doesn't'* have the link to Image
> > plugin documentation, it says:-
> >
> >     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with many image editing
> >     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
> >     comment and rate them, correct, enhance and alter them. The
> >     editing power can be easily extended by a set of plugins, the Kde
> >     Image Plugins Interface (manual)
> >
> > So which is right?
>
> Depends on your version.
> With 0.9.1 (I think) we moved the digikamimageplugins into the main
> application, no separate package and manual anymore, all is in digikam now.
> You seem to have an old doc intallation. The online doc is the latest version
> of course. The only optional plugins now are the KIPI plugins.
>

Well my installation says I have:-

    digikam.x86_64      0.9.2-1.fc7
    digikam-doc.noarch  0.9.2-0.1.beta2.fc7

So they are both 0.9.2, however I guess the beta documentation might
not have quite caught up.


Thanks for the explanation though, I must admit the Image Editor does
*feel* as if it's fully integrated into digikam so it does make sense.

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[Gerhard Kulzer-3]

Am Monday 26 November 2007 schrieb Chris G:

> On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 07:34:47AM +0100, Gerhard Kulzer wrote:
> > Am Sunday 25 November 2007 schrieb Chris G:
> > > Aha!  Maybe I have found the (an?) issue here.  My digikam manual says
> > > in Chapter 1  Background:-
> > >
> > >     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with basic image editing
> > >     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
> > >     comment and rate them, make corrections and alterations. The
> > >     editing power can be easily extended by two sets of plugins, the
> > >     Kde Image Plugins Interface (manual) and the DigikamImagePlugins.
> > >     (manual)
> > >
> > > I.e. it has links to separate Kipi and Image plugin documentation.
> > > However the online documentation you have pointed to at
> > > http://www.digikam.org/?q=docs *doesn't'* have the link to Image
> > > plugin documentation, it says:-
> > >
> > >     digiKam incorporates a fast Image Editor with many image editing
> > >     tools. You can use the Image Editor to view your photographs,
> > >     comment and rate them, correct, enhance and alter them. The
> > >     editing power can be easily extended by a set of plugins, the Kde
> > >     Image Plugins Interface (manual)
> > >
> > > So which is right?
> >
> > Depends on your version.
> > With 0.9.1 (I think) we moved the digikamimageplugins into the main
> > application, no separate package and manual anymore, all is in digikam
> > now. You seem to have an old doc intallation. The online doc is the
> > latest version of course. The only optional plugins now are the KIPI
> > plugins.
>
> Well my installation says I have:-
>
>     digikam.x86_64      0.9.2-1.fc7
>     digikam-doc.noarch  0.9.2-0.1.beta2.fc7
>
> So they are both 0.9.2, however I guess the beta documentation might
> not have quite caught up.

From digiKam side is has cought up, but probably not on the packager side.
Anyway, your questions should be answered now :-)

Gerhard
>
> Thanks for the explanation though, I must admit the Image Editor does
> *feel* as if it's fully integrated into digikam so it does make sense.



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