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Paul Verizzo
I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the
folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux
matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all
kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful,
I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  Please
respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net

Thanks!

The questions are,

1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want
the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate
partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?

2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before
that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird
file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of
the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm
willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within Linux
clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to
open Netscape/Tbird archived files.

3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for years,
changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using the Nokia
E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their monster Ovi
for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time (Nokia 9000
series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS, but it's down
to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know that I can pay
$40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to do that if I can
have the non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing
images, making my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?

3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux
from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around the
intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.

4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But so
many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available (unless I
just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide
format "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control of. I've seen
some Canon Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass
(swamp) of distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise
buying different printers!

For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion:
All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall Windows
7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much use.  But when
I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues.  Won't
install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.

Paul



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Re: Some linux questions

Willem Ferguson
On 28/09/2011 05:05, Paul Verizzo wrote:

I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net

Thanks!

The questions are,

1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
Should be fairly safe if you use a single separate partition for swap space among different OS's.

2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
Thunderbird is still one of the most versatile, adaptable and user-friendly email client systems around. Dunno why you are considering Outlook.
3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?

3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.

4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide format "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying different printers!
I suggest buying a CUPS handbook. There are several excellent fully-featured handbooks available for CUPS. (My philosophy for survival in the Linux world is to have a complete set of handbooks to which I can refer for help). Cups is extremely adaptable, and (as with most open source software), you can achieve magic if you are prepared to put the time into it. I have CUPS: Common UNIX Printing System by Michael Sweet (Sep 7, 2001). As you can see, the book is 10 years old, but it has helped me to overcome many problems. If you feel industrious it even shows you how to write your own printer driver - the ability of the printer is the only limitation.

For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion: All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.
I  only have experience of a small range of Linux variants (initially SUSE, then Redhat, now Ubuntu), but Debian and its derivatives (especially Ubuntu) install almost effortlessly. Gone are the days that Linux has a learning curve like a sky scraper. Biggest decision is about GUI/Windowing system (Gnome or KDE). For Windows users, the important thing is NOT to assume that the approach and methods of doing things in Linux is identical to that of Windows.

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Re: Some linux questions

Gilles Caulier-4
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2011/9/28 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:

> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the folks in
> this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux matters.
>  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all kinds of
> answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful, I'd like to ask
> your thoughts on the following questions.  Please respond back channel paulv
> (you know what) paulv.net
>
> Thanks!
>
> The questions are,
>
> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want the
> hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate partitions
> for each distro?  What about the swap partition?

yes, using a partition for each / of distro is the best way. You can
share /home, /tmp, swap, etc between distro.

To try other distro, why not to use VirtualBox ?

Gilles Caulier
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Re: Some linux questions

todd rme
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Gilles Caulier
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> 2011/9/28 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:
>> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the folks in
>> this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux matters.
>>  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all kinds of
>> answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful, I'd like to ask
>> your thoughts on the following questions.  Please respond back channel paulv
>> (you know what) paulv.net
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> The questions are,
>>
>> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want the
>> hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate partitions
>> for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>
> yes, using a partition for each / of distro is the best way. You can
> share /home, /tmp, swap, etc between distro.
>
> To try other distro, why not to use VirtualBox ?
>
> Gilles Caulier

Or a livecd.

-Todd
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Re: Some linux questions

todd rme
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before that.  I
> have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird file types.
>  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of the newer layouts
> wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm willing to poke around and
> look at email alternatives within Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import
> Contacts and super--ideally, able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.

I did that on kmail2 with no trouble at all, but kmail2 has its own
problems right now unforunately.

> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for years,
> changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using the Nokia E90
> Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their monster Ovi for
> connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time (Nokia 9000 series)
> recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.
>  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know that I can pay $40 to get
> Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to do that if I can have the
> non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making
> my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?

What version of Outlook?  Crossover is largely a commercial version of
wine, if it works in Crossover it probably works in wine as well.

> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux from
> Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around the
> intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.

You should be able to export your outlook contact to a .csv file or
some other generic file format, and TBird might have a native Outlook
importer as well (and then use TBird to get them into a more standard
format).

> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
> printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But so
> many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available (unless I just
> didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide format
> "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon
> Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of
> distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying different
> printers!

Most distros will have built-in drivers, you shouldn't need to compile
anything for a modern distro.  Canon, however, often sucks for Linux
drivers (one of the only major companies for which this is still the
case).  However, it looks like the built-in drivers do support the
Pixma 4300, so that one should work out-of-the-box on any modern
distro.  It doesn't look like the 9000 MK II is supported yet,
although there are commercial third-party drivers that fully support
Canon printers on Linux.  TurboPrint is one.  The build-in sane
scanner drivers seem to have better Canon support than the printers,
so it probably works out-of-the-box.

> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion: All
> OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall Windows 7 onto
> my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much use.  But when I try to
> install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues.  Won't install.
> Sigh.  Jus' saying.

I've never heard of that distro.  It looks like a small, random
third-party Ubuntu derivative.  You are better of going with a major
distribution.  There are tons of poorly-executed and poorly-supported
minor distributions.  Major distributions are major for a reason,
minor distributions are minor for a reason.

-Todd
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Re: Some linux questions

Rinus
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Op 28-09-11 09:55, todd rme schreef:

> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Gilles Caulier
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> 2011/9/28 Paul Verizzo<[hidden email]>:
>>> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the folks in
>>> this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux matters.
>>>   Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all kinds of
>>> answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful, I'd like to ask
>>> your thoughts on the following questions.  Please respond back channel paulv
>>> (you know what) paulv.net
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> The questions are,
>>>
>>> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want the
>>> hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate partitions
>>> for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>> yes, using a partition for each / of distro is the best way. You can
>> share /home, /tmp, swap, etc between distro.
>>
>> To try other distro, why not to use VirtualBox ?

>> Gilles Caulier
Currently running in my VB on Ubuntu: 4 distros and windows xp.
Next thing todo is trying to get the big canon printer to work. but time....
Rinus
> Or a livecd.
>
> -Todd
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Re: Some linux questions

Rinus
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Op 28-09-11 05:05, Paul Verizzo schreef:

> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the
> folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux
> matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting
> all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally
> helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  
> Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net
>
> Thanks!
>
> The questions are,
>
> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I
> want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have
> separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>
> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before
> that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird
> file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of
> the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm
> willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within Linux
> clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to
> open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for
> years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using
> the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their
> monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time
> (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS,
> but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know
> that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to
> do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives
> me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?
>
> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux
> from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around
> the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.
>
> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
> printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But
> so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available
> (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000
> MK II wide format "pro" photo printer
Please keep me informed, I use the same printer, still on windows :-(((
Rinus

> .  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon Linux
> drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of
> distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying
> different printers!
>
> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion:
> All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall
> Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much
> use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for
> netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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Re: Some linux questions

Sveinn í Felli
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Hi,

Þann mið 28.sep 2011 03:05, skrifaði Paul Verizzo:
>
> The questions are,
>
> 1. If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it,
> and I want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I
> need to have separate partitions for each distro? What about
> the swap partition?

The swap partition can be used by all your Linux OS. I'd add
a separate partition for your data (pictures, documents and
stuff), you can use FAT32, NTFS or even ext3 (needs extra
software) to share it with Windows.

> 2. I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail
> before that. I have YEARS of archived emails based on
> Netscape/Thunderbird file types. However, I have kept my TB
> version at like 2.6 because of the newer layouts wasting
> monitor space. Redundant functions. I'm willing to poke
> around and look at email alternatives within Linux clients.
> Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to
> open Netscape/Tbird archived files.

I keep my TB profile on my separate data partition and use
it across multiple OS's. For each user I edit the hidden
/.thunderbird/profiles.ini in the home folder:

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=0
Path=/path/to/thunderbird/default.profile

This way I have all my OS's use the same TB settings,
mailboxes and most extensions. I have to keep program
versions not too much apart.
You can instead extract the mailboxes/contact folders from
your profile and indicate TB where to find them, a bit more
work but safer if you want to test very different versions
of TB.

> 4. What about my Canon printers? I have an iP4300 doing
> office type printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS
> is fine for that. But so many of the color/quality types of
> settings aren't available (unless I just didn't see the
> possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide format
> "pro" photo printer. That one, I need full control of. I've
> seen some Canon Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like
> another morass (swamp) of distro availability, compiling,
> etc. Please don't advise buying different printers!

I normally use the CUPS+Gutenprint drivers, they are much
more detailed than the plain ones. Your printer is at least
supported by CUPS for Mac and Gimp-print, so maybe CUPS for
Linux does as well.
One option is to buy a proprietary Turboprint driver
(http://www.turboprint.info/)for around 30 Euros, they are
really good quality. Canon PIXMA Pro9000 MK II is supported.
Trial version prints an ad in the middle of your images.

> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my
> conclusion: All OS's suck. In one way or another. I just had
> to reinstall Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal
> burps despite not much use. But when I try to install
> EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues. Won't
> install. Sigh. Jus' saying.
>
> Paul

Is the glass half-empty or half-full ?
Aren't all OS's wonderful ? In one way or another ?
(just teasing)

Best regards

Sveinn í Felli

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Re: Some linux questions

Rinus
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Op 28-09-11 10:43, sleepless schreef:

> Op 28-09-11 05:05, Paul Verizzo schreef:
>> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the
>> folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux
>> matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting
>> all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally
>> helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  
>> Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> The questions are,
>>
>> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I
>> want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have
>> separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>>
>> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before
>> that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird
>> file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because
>> of the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  
>> I'm willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within
>> Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally,
>> able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
>> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for
>> years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using
>> the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their
>> monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a
>> time (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other
>> PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  
>> I know that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm
>> willing to do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions that PC
>> Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a modem, etc.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux
>> from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around
>> the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.
>>
>> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
>> printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But
>> so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available
>> (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon
>> 9000 MK II wide format "pro" photo printer
> Please keep me informed, I use the same printer, still on windows :-(((
> Rinus
I managed to install the printer driver  ¨easy photoprint ex¨on windows
xp in VB which works fine. However if you want to use the ¨easy
photoprint pro¨ you will have to install either photoshop or photoshop
elements (which came with your printer) of which it is a plugin. In my
case it says unfortunately ¨install exe is no valid win 32 executable¨,
which is of course not true but it prevents me from installing it.
If you want to try and need some specific details, ask.
have a nice day.
Rinus

>> .  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon Linux
>> drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of
>> distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying
>> different printers!
>>
>> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my
>> conclusion: All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to
>> reinstall Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite
>> not much use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed
>> for netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Some linux questions

Alan Klughammer
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Plus one for TurboPrint. Back when I had my Canon Printer I found TurboPrint gave me better results than i could achieve under windows.
Now however I have gone Epson, and I am even happier...

On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 10:11 +0200, todd rme wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before that.  I
> have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird file types.
>  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of the newer layouts
> wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm willing to poke around and
> look at email alternatives within Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import
> Contacts and super--ideally, able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.

I did that on kmail2 with no trouble at all, but kmail2 has its own
problems right now unforunately.

> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for years,
> changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using the Nokia E90
> Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their monster Ovi for
> connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time (Nokia 9000 series)
> recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.
>  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know that I can pay $40 to get
> Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to do that if I can have the
> non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making
> my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?

What version of Outlook?  Crossover is largely a commercial version of
wine, if it works in Crossover it probably works in wine as well.

> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux from
> Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around the
> intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.

You should be able to export your outlook contact to a .csv file or
some other generic file format, and TBird might have a native Outlook
importer as well (and then use TBird to get them into a more standard
format).

> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
> printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But so
> many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available (unless I just
> didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide format
> "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon
> Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of
> distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying different
> printers!

Most distros will have built-in drivers, you shouldn't need to compile
anything for a modern distro.  Canon, however, often sucks for Linux
drivers (one of the only major companies for which this is still the
case).  However, it looks like the built-in drivers do support the
Pixma 4300, so that one should work out-of-the-box on any modern
distro.  It doesn't look like the 9000 MK II is supported yet,
although there are commercial third-party drivers that fully support
Canon printers on Linux.  TurboPrint is one.  The build-in sane
scanner drivers seem to have better Canon support than the printers,
so it probably works out-of-the-box.

> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion: All
> OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall Windows 7 onto
> my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much use.  But when I try to
> install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues.  Won't install.
> Sigh.  Jus' saying.

I've never heard of that distro.  It looks like a small, random
third-party Ubuntu derivative.  You are better of going with a major
distribution.  There are tons of poorly-executed and poorly-supported
minor distributions.  Major distributions are major for a reason,
minor distributions are minor for a reason.

-Todd
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I am answering #1 and #4 made a desktop comment.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Willem Ferguson <[hidden email]> wrote:
On 28/09/2011 05:05, Paul Verizzo wrote:

I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net

Thanks!

The questions are,

1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
Should be fairly safe if you use a single separate partition for swap space among different OS's.


A separate Partition for each operating system/distribution is the best way to do it. It is called Dual Booting.
Swap space can be shared between all the linux based distributions.


2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
Thunderbird is still one of the most versatile, adaptable and user-friendly email client systems around. Dunno why you are considering Outlook.
3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?

3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.

4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000 MK II wide format "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying different printers!
I suggest buying a CUPS handbook. There are several excellent fully-featured handbooks available for CUPS. (My philosophy for survival in the Linux world is to have a complete set of handbooks to which I can refer for help). Cups is extremely adaptable, and (as with most open source software), you can achieve magic if you are prepared to put the time into it. I have CUPS: Common UNIX Printing System by Michael Sweet (Sep 7, 2001). As you can see, the book is 10 years old, but it has helped me to overcome many problems. If you feel industrious it even shows you how to write your own printer driver - the ability of the printer is the only limitation.


Canon does not support Linux drivers for my Canon i990 printer and I also have have trouble with colors.  I am not buying another Canon printer.  I believe EPSON supports Linux and there are more that support Linux.  Just Google it.

For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion: All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.

Ubuntu installation is very easy and does everything I want. I installed and use the Gnome desktop because it is faster.  I also installed KDE desktop files so I can run all the KDE programs like Digikam.  I tried using just KDE desktop but it slowed down my computer severely.  This way I have the best of both desktops
I  only have experience of a small range of Linux variants (initially SUSE, then Redhat, now Ubuntu), but Debian and its derivatives (especially Ubuntu) install almost effortlessly. Gone are the days that Linux has a learning curve like a sky scraper. Biggest decision is about GUI/Windowing system (Gnome or KDE). For Windows users, the important thing is NOT to assume that the approach and methods of doing things in Linux is identical to that of Windows.

Paul



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Op 28-09-11 14:30, sleepless schreef:

> Op 28-09-11 10:43, sleepless schreef:
>> Op 28-09-11 05:05, Paul Verizzo schreef:
>>> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the
>>> folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux
>>> matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting
>>> all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally
>>> helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  
>>> Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> The questions are,
>>>
>>> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I
>>> want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have
>>> separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>>>
>>> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before
>>> that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird
>>> file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because
>>> of the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  
>>> I'm willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within
>>> Linux clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally,
>>> able to open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
>>> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for
>>> years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using
>>> the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over
>>> their monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once
>>> upon a time (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and
>>> other PIMS, but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in
>>> Outlook.  I know that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux,
>>> and I'm willing to do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions
>>> that PC Suite gives me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a
>>> modem, etc. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for
>>> Linux from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking
>>> around the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.
>>>
>>> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office
>>> type printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for
>>> that.  But so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't
>>> available (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have
>>> a Canon 9000 MK II wide format "pro" photo printer
>> Please keep me informed, I use the same printer, still on windows :-(((
>> Rinus
> I managed to install the printer driver  ¨easy photoprint ex¨on
> windows xp in VB which works fine. However if you want to use the
> ¨easy photoprint pro¨ you will have to install either photoshop or
> photoshop elements (which came with your printer) of which it is a
> plugin. In my case it says unfortunately ¨install exe is no valid win
> 32 executable¨, which is of course not true but it prevents me from
> installing it.
> If you want to try and need some specific details, ask.
>
> Rinus
>
To make the story complete. Even after so much investigation in VB it
can happen to install the wrong guest extensions. After correcting this
Elements installs and both canon drivers ¨ex¨ and ¨pro¨ works fine. The
avantage over dual boot is having access to digikam while printing from
elements. And after all, who should know better how to deal with this
printer than Canon does.
Have a nice day.
Rinus

>>> .  That one, I need full control of. I've seen some Canon Linux
>>> drivers on searches, but it looks like another morass (swamp) of
>>> distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please don't advise buying
>>> different printers!
>>>
>>> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my
>>> conclusion: All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to
>>> reinstall Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite
>>> not much use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed
>>> for netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Op 28-09-11 05:05, Paul Verizzo schreef:

> I know this isn't about digiKam, but the fact is that I look on the
> folks in this list serve as being good, intelligent sources on linux
> matters.  Instead of posting to some generic Linux site and getting
> all kinds of answers from idiotic to disdaining and occasionally
> helpful, I'd like to ask your thoughts on the following questions.  
> Please respond back channel paulv (you know what) paulv.net
>
> Thanks!
>
> The questions are,
>
> 1.  If I have a hard drive with a working linux distro on it, and I
> want the hd to have other distros in addition, do I need to have
> separate partitions for each distro?  What about the swap partition?
>
> 2.  I been using Thunderbird since forever and Netscape mail before
> that.  I have YEARS of archived emails based on Netscape/Thunderbird
> file types.  However, I have kept my TB version at like 2.6 because of
> the newer layouts wasting monitor space.  Redundant functions.  I'm
> willing to poke around and look at email alternatives within Linux
> clients.  Ideally, easy to import Contacts and super--ideally, able to
> open Netscape/Tbird archived files.
> 3.  What about my Nokia phone?  I've been using the Nokia SW for
> years, changing with the phones over the years.  I'm presently using
> the Nokia E90 Communicator and I prefer the Nokia PC Suite over their
> monster Ovi for connecting the phone to my computer.  Once upon a time
> (Nokia 9000 series) recognized Outlook, Lotus Notes, and other PIMS,
> but it's down to Outlook.  All my contact info is in Outlook.  I know
> that I can pay $40 to get Outlook ported to Linux, and I'm willing to
> do that if I can have the non-Outlook functions that PC Suite gives
> me, i.e., managing images, making my phone a modem, etc. Thoughts?
>
> 3.b.  Related to the Outlook issue, I see I can get Outlook for Linux
> from Codeweavers for a nominal $40.  Any experiences?  Poking around
> the intertubes, I see there is the Virtual Box alternative, too.
>
> 4.  What about my Canon printers?  I have an iP4300 doing office type
> printing duty and from what I've dabbled, CUPS is fine for that.  But
> so many of the color/quality types of settings aren't available
> (unless I just didn't see the possibilities). I also have a Canon 9000
> MK II wide format "pro" photo printer.  That one, I need full control
> of. I've seen some Canon Linux drivers on searches, but it looks like
> another morass (swamp) of distro availability, compiling, etc.  Please
> don't advise buying different printers!
The latest Gutenprint 5.2.7 works fine together with Gimp 2.7.3 and has
full support for the great Canon 9000 MK II printer, it comes with paper
profiles too.
Building was easy, if you want to try with support:
[hidden email].
btw. Turboprint did not work so well on my system.
Rinus

>
> For those of you following my foray into Linux, here is my conclusion:
> All OS's suck.  In one way or another.  I just had to reinstall
> Windows 7 onto my netbook because of fatal burps despite not much
> use.  But when I try to install EasyPeasy Linux, designed for
> netbooks, issues.  Won't install. Sigh.  Jus' saying.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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