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Re: Digikam-users Digest, Vol 76, Issue 19

Paul Verizzo
Hi, all, thanks for the replies!

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"Ntfs writing is present in main Gnu/Linux distro and since more than only  
a couple of years now (since 4 years and half if I trust Wikipedia), so  
it's not so recently attained neither."
  
Time flies when you are old. Seems like only yesterday I was blowing glass for my vacuum tubes......
Yes, but if you look at my next message, may by using standard Windows  
sharing you could have a better result. Just say to Windows to share the  
folder without minding about permission...
  
I read that.  Once again, just trying to keep things simple and direct.
It's the same thing if you use Windows Guest on a linux Host, you have to  
set the access to your shared folder with a command line.

  
If I missed that, I stand corrected. Or, possibly, I read that command and it was intuitively logical. Don't recall.
It is 18h51 !
;>)))

  
LOVE IT! 
More and more often Linux doesn't need the command line to do something,  
but sometime, one command line is more convenient than ten graphic  
manipulation.

  
How very true about less command line needs over time. I guess "convenience" is in the eye of the beholder. Most Windows command lines - and I've used plenty over the years being an old DOSmeister - are brief and have some sort of sanity in the naming conventions. To work with your IP functions, you use "ipconfig". Just the other day I came across some Linux command line function that was FOUR full length lines of instruction, all kinds of characters, spaces, numbers, and of course, letters. Wow!
In Windows you could have to use command line, or regedit or some other  
obscure things. You could also encounter the case where you simply can't  
do something in windows, just because there's no graphical interface to do  
it.

World is not perfect, regardless the OS you use.

A minimum a learning is necessary.

  
I WANT A PERFECT OS, NO LEARNING NECESSARY! :) Nicolas, I swear I do try to recognize what is just a different way of doing something and a stupid way of doing something. By stupid, I mean possibly the neccessity to start with. Then, non-intuitive procedures. Then, what I have often referred to as "secret handshake" methods, i.e., not being inducted into the society, not having a clue what an error or instruction means. I absolutely agree that Linux has made huge strides to being more user friendly in the 11 years I've played with it. When the distro creators accept that not everyone is in Mensa or grew up with Torvalds at the dinner table, it will find more desktop users. I think Ubuntu has made significant progess in that direction, explaining it's rapid rise to market dominance.
Nicolas Boulesteix
Photographe chasseur de lueurs
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Sorry, I do not understand what you are saying, try in Dutch.

  
Believe me, Rinus, I am always amazed at people like you, doing an amazing job with English as a second or third language! I appreciate how difficult English is compared to, say, Spanish. You do well! (Not "good," as is so often incorrectly used!)

Sleeplessregulus :) I think you mean Ubuntu 11.04, not 11.4.  I just checked the site to make sure there still isn't an 11.4. 

What is this Phillip Johnson's ppa I keep seeing?  More secret handshakes? :)

A correction? Guest Additions used to be a separate iso file from the VM. Not knowing this, I spent HOURS looking for GA 4.1.2, which of course, doesn't exist.  Now GA is built into the VM file, accessible from the top line menu when a given guest OS is running. You can't download it as you say.
    
Hi all,

This "how to run digikam 2.0 on ubuntu 11.4 in Oracle Virtual Machine 4.1.2
on windows 7 running on an amd 64 laptop" is build upon a setup where
digikam db is on an internal harddisk and the photo collection is on
external usb harddrive and no networking involved.

I did successfully repeat the procedure on a 32 bit desktop computer.

I needed to make a few minor additions to my former suggestions to prevent
from some likely to happen  issues.

I would like to hear if this procedure works for others too on different
setups, other distro's, other versiones, other machines and so on.

If someone has an other setup that works great, with network share or
whatever I would like to have a detailed explanation. All my efforts via
that route have failed.


One issue I could not resolve sofar. There is something wrong with copying
files either in digikam or in nautilus. Some times it works, some times it
result in zero byte copies, sometimes there is an error statement about
slicing problem protocol error. It looks like it can be done from command
line or else outside the VM. On thw web you will find questions about this
issue but no answers, it is a common phenomenon.
Else I have not encountered any problem sofar using digikam. In fact it
works quite well and is almost as responsive as in my usual setup however
there is some slowdown at read write activity.

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MY PROCEDURE
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Instal Oracle VM 4.1.2 using default options
Install guest extensions mind to download corresponding version (4.1.2)
(After download it is automatic opened by VM if you choose so.)
go in VM to Management or Settings (or whatever it is called in english)->
shared folder
Point to the drive or folder you want to mount in Ubuntu
Give the drive a short and simple name which differs from the name you want
it to have in Ubuntu and do not use special characters.
(My F drive wil become /media/FOTO in Ubuntu, so I will not call it FOTO but
F_DRIVE,
this way it is easy to recognise as my F drive without calling it FOTO)
Mind NOT to choose "automount" (very important)
(There is no need to make it a shared folder in windows, just leave it as
is)
Select in VM "New" and follow instructions, give it a name "Ubuntu 11.04",
make the memory bigger if possible, at least 1000MB (or even more if you
have 2GB+ installed), point where to place it etc etc, create, done.
Click in VM on your new Ubuntu and the green arrow to start installation.
Browse to the iso file you just downloaded
Selcect download updates and instal third party software
Choose "erase disk" (it is your new created vitual disk) and install
Do not modify any config file. Do notting with fstab or mtab. Do nothing
with fuse. Do not use a mount manager. Do not install Samba.
Just type in terminal:
cd /
cd media
sudo mkdir FOTO
sudo mount -t vboxsf F_DRIVE FOTO

(This steps, without the mkdir command, you have to follow each time you
want to work in your VM,
if someone knows how to automate it at startup, and you have verified info,
please share)

type: nautilus, browse to /media and there you are.
If you see foldernames within media with crosses in it, usually starting
with sf_ it's there because of formerly followed wrong procedures and are no
longer good for anything but confusion. It has been created while trying to
automount which failed and consequentely prevent from decent manual mount.

You may want to remove them
type sudo nautilus and remove it, but be sure notting is mounted at that
time, else you may loose data.
you can unmount your drives using umount.

Now add Philip Johnsson's ppa to your sources
launch synaptic
install digikam 2 and kipi-plugins 2
setup your digikam and go.
Or if you have an existing dk installation on your machine.
tell digikam where the db is and where the photos.
It will reread everything, so thats going to take awhile.
(If someone has any information how to reuse existing collection and db in a
new setup without rereading everything, please share your knowledge)
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DONE
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If someone needs at certain point more specific information, just ask!

Good luck!
Have a nice day!
Rinus
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Re: Digikam-users Digest, Vol 76, Issue 19

Rinus Bakker
Sleeplessregulus :) I think you mean Ubuntu 11.04, not 11.4.  I just checked the site to make sure there still isn't an 11.4. 
Yes indeed, 04 means april relaese thatś how I made the confusion. What is this Phillip Johnson's ppa I keep seeing? More secret handshakes? :)

https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/extra

there you can click on ¨technical details of this ppa
then you see 2 lines
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/philip5/extra/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/philip5/extra/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main

these lines can be added to your software sources in your package manager

after doing so you can download the latest release of digikam


 A correction? Guest Additions used to be a separate iso file from the VM. Not knowing this, I spent HOURS looking for GA 4.1.2, which of course, doesn't exist. Now GA is built into the VM file, accessible from the top line menu when a given guest OS is running. You can't download it as you say.
Here you can download extension pack 
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
in the installation procedere takes a lokal build place.
Rinus



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Re: Digikam-users Digest, Vol 76, Issue 19

Photonoxx
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Le Fri, 09 Sep 2011 14:43:39 +0200, Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]> a écrit:

> World is not perfect, regardless the OS you use.
>
> A minimum a learning is necessary.
>
>
> I WANT A PERFECT OS, NO LEARNING NECESSARY!

Sorry to learn you it doesn't exist (in my point of view) and probably  
never do.

> :) Nicolas, I swear I do try to
> recognize what is just a different way of doing something and a stupid  
> way of doing something. By stupid, I mean possibly the neccessity to  
> start with. Then,
> non-intuitive procedures. Then, what I have often referred to as "secret
> handshake" methods, i.e., not being inducted into the society, not  
> having a clue
> what an error or instruction means. I absolutely agree that Linux has  
> made huge
> strides to being more user friendly in the 11 years I've played with it.  
> When
> the distro creators accept that not everyone is in Mensa or grew up with
> Torvalds at the dinner table, it will find more desktop users. I think  
> Ubuntu
> has made significant progess in that direction, explaining it's rapid  
> rise to
> market dominance.

Every things need some learn, even if, now, some things seems obvious to  
you, like walking on 2 feet or change a light bulb, but I swear some  
peoples can stay a very long time waiting for somebody who changes a  
simple light bulb.

May be a lot of thing seems obvious to you with windows, because most of  
actual Desktop users had grown up with Gates at the dinner table (in a  
certain manner) and not with Torvalds... But if you reverse things, may be  
Windows would seem very ugly to use.

May be Windows or Mac OS seem to be user friendly due to the fact the  
setting/tweaking possibilities are mainly hidden (MacOs is worse than  
Windows on this point), and when you want to do something special, you're  
simply blocked and have to resign.

So, definitely perfect OS is an utopia for me... each one has advantages  
and inconveniences...


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Nicolas Boulesteix
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http://www.photonoxx.fr
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