Pre-editing with an Android application

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Hi,

For à couple of trips I'll be 'travelling light' and intend to leave my computer at home. I'll only bring a tablet and would like to do a a bit of editing (mainly rating and commenting) on the go.
Will I be able to import the corresponding metadata with the pictures into Digikam once back home?
Do you have any recommandation regarding specific applications? I'm a bit tempted by Portfolio RAW Photo Manager.

Thanks for advising.
Marie-Noëlle

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Le 15/02/2016 17:12, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> For à couple of trips I'll be 'travelling light' and intend to leave my
> computer at home. I'll only bring a tablet

android, windows 10 or ipad?

  and would like to do a a bit
> of editing (mainly rating and commenting) on the go.
> Will I be able to import the corresponding metadata with the pictures
> into Digikam once back home?

if the app writes the meta data to image file, for sure

> Do you have any recommandation regarding specific applications? I'm a
> bit tempted by Portfolio RAW Photo Manager.
>

no idea, but interested by the answer for windows 10 or android

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2016-02-15 17:23 GMT+01:00 jdd <[hidden email]>:

Le 15/02/2016 17:12, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

Hi,

For à couple of trips I'll be 'travelling light' and intend to leave my
computer at home. I'll only bring a tablet

android, windows 10 or ipad?

Sorry, I put it in the message subject, but forgot it in the message itself: I'm using Android.

 

Do you have any recommandation regarding specific applications? I'm a
bit tempted by Portfolio RAW Photo Manager.

no idea, but interested by the answer for windows 10 or android

jdd

I'm currently testing:

 - Portfolio RAW Photo Manager: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BrainyLantern.slingShotPortfolio

 - and RawDroid: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anthonymandra.rawdroid

Someone on the EOS forum suggested PhotoMate (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tssystems.photomate2), but I don't want to do any real treatment on the tablet and won't need such an application.

I'll let you know my final choice.

Marie-Noëlle

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[Stuart T Rogers]

On my wife's laptop running OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 the problem we have is
that the print assistant window cannot be resized so unless you maximise
it the buttons are hidden behind the panel at the bottom of the screen.
Now I know I can allow windows to cover the panel but this confuses my
wife and to be honest this window should open with the correct maximum
dimensions for the screen size and not go behind the bottom panel. Is
this a known bug or is there something else I can do to avoid having to
maximise it when I open it?

Stuart

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Þann þri 16.feb 2016 08:10, skrifaði Stuart T Rogers:
> On my wife's laptop running OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 the problem we have is
> that the print assistant window cannot be resized so unless you maximise
> it the buttons are hidden behind the panel at the bottom of the screen.
> Now I know I can allow windows to cover the panel but this confuses my
> wife and to be honest this window should open with the correct maximum
> dimensions for the screen size and not go behind the bottom panel. Is
> this a known bug or is there something else I can do to avoid having to
> maximise it when I open it?

Do you have a screenshot ?
Which window manager (guessing KDE) ?

Thanks,
Sveinn í Felli

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I'll take a screen shot when I can. Yes it is KDE Plasma 5.

Stuart

On 16/02/16 08:52, Sveinn í Felli wrote:

> Þann þri 16.feb 2016 08:10, skrifaði Stuart T Rogers:
>> On my wife's laptop running OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 the problem we have is
>> that the print assistant window cannot be resized so unless you maximise
>> it the buttons are hidden behind the panel at the bottom of the screen.
>> Now I know I can allow windows to cover the panel but this confuses my
>> wife and to be honest this window should open with the correct maximum
>> dimensions for the screen size and not go behind the bottom panel. Is
>> this a known bug or is there something else I can do to avoid having to
>> maximise it when I open it?
>
> Do you have a screenshot ?
> Which window manager (guessing KDE) ?
>
> Thanks,
> Sveinn í Felli
>
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[Sjoerd-2]

On 15/02/2016 17:12, Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:

> For à couple of trips I'll be 'travelling light' and intend to leave
> my computer at home. I'll only bring a tablet and would like to do a a
> bit of editing (mainly rating and commenting) on the go.
> Will I be able to import the corresponding metadata with the pictures
> into Digikam once back home?
> Do you have any recommandation regarding specific applications? I'm a
> bit tempted by Portfolio RAW Photo Manager.

For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.

Cheers,
Sjoerd
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[Stuart T Rogers]

Just checked this on my desktop with much larger screen. The issue I
think is that the print assistant window minimum size is too large for
laptops, on my desktop I can resize it larger but it will not go below a
minimum vertical size which is too large to display on a 1366x768 laptop
display, however maximising it does allow it to fit without covering the
bottom panel, but that is a annoyance.

Stuart

On 16/02/16 09:17, Stuart T Rogers wrote:

> I'll take a screen shot when I can. Yes it is KDE Plasma 5.
>
> Stuart
>
> On 16/02/16 08:52, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
>> Þann þri 16.feb 2016 08:10, skrifaði Stuart T Rogers:
>>> On my wife's laptop running OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 the problem we have is
>>> that the print assistant window cannot be resized so unless you maximise
>>> it the buttons are hidden behind the panel at the bottom of the screen.
>>> Now I know I can allow windows to cover the panel but this confuses my
>>> wife and to be honest this window should open with the correct maximum
>>> dimensions for the screen size and not go behind the bottom panel. Is
>>> this a known bug or is there something else I can do to avoid having to
>>> maximise it when I open it?
>>
>> Do you have a screenshot ?
>> Which window manager (guessing KDE) ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sveinn í Felli
>>
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[Stuart T Rogers]

I just tested a bypass which is to force a minimum height for the window
using special window settings in KWin and it does work OK. However this
should not be necessary as the window should sort this out automatically.

Stuart

On 16/02/16 09:31, Stuart T Rogers wrote:

> Just checked this on my desktop with much larger screen. The issue I
> think is that the print assistant window minimum size is too large for
> laptops, on my desktop I can resize it larger but it will not go below a
> minimum vertical size which is too large to display on a 1366x768 laptop
> display, however maximising it does allow it to fit without covering the
> bottom panel, but that is a annoyance.
>
> Stuart
>
> On 16/02/16 09:17, Stuart T Rogers wrote:
>> I'll take a screen shot when I can. Yes it is KDE Plasma 5.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 16/02/16 08:52, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
>>> Þann þri 16.feb 2016 08:10, skrifaði Stuart T Rogers:
>>>> On my wife's laptop running OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 the problem we have is
>>>> that the print assistant window cannot be resized so unless you
>>>> maximise
>>>> it the buttons are hidden behind the panel at the bottom of the screen.
>>>> Now I know I can allow windows to cover the panel but this confuses my
>>>> wife and to be honest this window should open with the correct maximum
>>>> dimensions for the screen size and not go behind the bottom panel. Is
>>>> this a known bug or is there something else I can do to avoid having to
>>>> maximise it when I open it?
>>>
>>> Do you have a screenshot ?
>>> Which window manager (guessing KDE) ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sveinn í Felli
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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2016-02-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:

For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.

Cheers,
Sjoerd

Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to review my RAWs every day during the trip.

Marie-Noëlle

 

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I just installed it and don't see how to tag
But I could find exif editor

Le 16 févr. 2016 22:52, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marie-No=EBlle_Augendre?= <[hidden email]> a écrit :

>
>
>
> 2016-02-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>
>>
>> For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sjoerd
>>
>
> Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to review my RAWs every day during the trip.
>
> Marie-Noëlle
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Le 16/02/2016 23:41, Jean-Daniel Dodin a écrit :

>> Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to review my RAWs every day during the trip.

but you can't really tag raw files? you use sidecar files, no?

you probably have to shoot raw+jpg

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On Tuesday 16 February 2016 22:52:01 Marie-Noëlle Augendre wrote:

> 2016-02-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:
>
> >
> >
> > For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Sjoerd
> >
> >
> Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to
> review my RAWs every day during the trip.
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>

(trying to make this a bit more general than just your specific case)

With RAW files, you will be using sidecar XMP files. With those, you can
run into two different problems regarding import into Digikam, but both
should be solvable:
1 - file name convention: There are several naming conventions for sidecar
files, so Digikam must recognise the sidecar files as such.This means you
might have to rename the sidecar files coming from your tablet _before_
trying to import into Digikam.
2 - the XMP files from your tablet might have the information you want to
import in different tags than expected by Digikam. That would require a
transformation of your XMP files to adjust the tags, again prior to
importing into Digikam. As XMP files are supposed to be XML, such a
transformation is possible through XSLT. Although I noticed some XMP
sidecars are _not_ regular XML files, but rather XML fragments, as they are
missing the "<?xml ..." declaration at the start.

This assumes that Digikam looks for and processes XMP sidecars on import.

I'm using linux, and both modifications could be probably be done with
fairly simple scripts. For MSWindows, I've no idea (not having worked with
it for the last 10+ years).

Another gotcha can be importing the raw files from your camera to your
tablet, not all tablets support USB host mode (aka USB OTG). If your tablet
doesn't, not much you can do...

Remco.


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2016-02-17 0:01 GMT+01:00 jdd <[hidden email]>:

Le 16/02/2016 23:41, Jean-Daniel Dodin a écrit :

Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to review my RAWs every day during the trip.

but you can't really tag raw files? you use sidecar files, no?

From what I've seen, Portfolio RAW Photo Manager works like Digikam: I can view the RAW, and edit the metadata. Modifications are recorded in sidecar XMP files that can be exported to the main computer afterwards.

 

you probably have to shoot raw+jpg

Portfolio RAW Photo Manager can display the RAW format, or the incorporated JPG to lower the impact on the tablet ressources. I've tested with 3 different CR2 formats: EOS 6D, EOS 7d and G5X.

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Le 17/02/2016 09:07, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

>  From what I've seen, Portfolio RAW Photo Manager works like Digikam: I
> can view the RAW, and edit the metadata. Modifications are recorded in
> sidecar XMP files that can be exported to the main computer afterwards.

so just a matter of sidecar file format.

you can begin to see if PRPM reads digikam sidecar and the other way
back. If not some script is necessary

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On 16/02/2016 23:41, Jean-Daniel Dodin wrote:
> I just installed it and don't see how to tag
> But I could find exif editor

On the top right you can open the menu, where it shows : edit tags,
rate, etc...

Or in the picture overwiew you can select several pictures (or just one
will do) and you get a menu at the bottom for rating,tagging,edit,
rename...

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> Le 16 févr. 2016 22:52, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marie-No=EBlle_Augendre?=
> <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-02-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sjoerd
>>>
>>
>> Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to
>> review my RAWs every day during the trip.

Don't know...don't have RAW on my phone...

Cheers,
Sjoerd

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2016-02-17 10:32 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:

Le 16 févr. 2016 22:52, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marie-No=EBlle_Augendre?=
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2016-02-16 10:19 GMT+01:00 Sjoerd <[hidden email]>:

For Android you can try F-Stop. It can do tagging and rating.

Cheers,
Sjoerd

Does it work with RAW files? Because I don't shoot JPG, and I want to review my RAWs every day during the trip.

Don't know...don't have RAW on my phone...

Cheers,
Sjoerd

Don't think so. When I try to open a RAW file, only the program I've specifically installed to open RAW are proposed.

And opening a RAW file from inside the F-Stop doesn't work either. It seems the application only recognizes image files.

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2016-02-17 9:30 GMT+01:00 jdd <[hidden email]>:

Le 17/02/2016 09:07, Marie-Noëlle Augendre a écrit :

 From what I've seen, Portfolio RAW Photo Manager works like Digikam: I
can view the RAW, and edit the metadata. Modifications are recorded in
sidecar XMP files that can be exported to the main computer afterwards.

so just a matter of sidecar file format.

It cannot be tested on the demo version.

But the features says: "Lightroom compatible XMP support" here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BrainyLantern.slingShotPortfolio

So I guess it'll work with Digikam.

you can begin to see if PRPM reads digikam sidecar and the other way back. If not some script is necessary

Needs full version for that, too.

Marie-Noëlle

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Le 17/02/2016 10:32, Sjoerd a écrit :
>
>
> On 16/02/2016 23:41, Jean-Daniel Dodin wrote:
>> I just installed it and don't see how to tag
>> But I could find exif editor
>
> On the top right you can open the menu, where it shows : edit tags,
> rate, etc...

oh, yes, "f-stop media gallery" here. For whatever reason I didn't
install the righ app

thanks
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2016-02-17 8:36 GMT+01:00 Remco Viëtor <[hidden email]>:

Another gotcha can be importing the raw files from your camera to your
tablet, not all tablets support USB host mode (aka USB OTG). If your tablet
doesn't, not much you can do...

Remco.

Just waiting for the deliver of this device: http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00CZ0P0PS?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00

that should allow to read memory cards from the tablet, and also copy/move from cards to external USD disk drive.

Marie-Noëlle

 

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