Overlay buttons in preview mode and text label

Hi,

is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the image
preview widget?
They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see them,
especially the text label.
It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D

I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but right now
I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
I looked in Settings->AlbumView...

Andi
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I was not able to follow digikam developement in the last weeks that much, so
maybe these controls are a user wish, but right now I have the following
issues with them, see
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4185/overlaytextlabelproblem.png

Andi Clemens
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On Saturday 30 January 2010 08:42:22 Andi Clemens wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the
>  image preview widget?
> They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see them,
> especially the text label.
> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
> all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>
> I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but right
>  now I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
> I looked in Settings->AlbumView...
>
> Andi
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[Julien Narboux]

Andi,

Yes there were a wish about panning using left mouse bouton -> which
implies that left mouse button can not be used to go out from preview
mode. I think this is the reason why Gilles added this small toolbar. I
agree with you previous/next are not very usefull. I don't think we
really need rotation icons either, having them on the thumbnails is
enough IMHO.
The button to go out from preview mode is useful, but maybe we could use
double click instead ?

I think the overlay text  label clarify things. It is a good temporary
solution, the best solution would be that preview  first loads a reduced
size preview and then loads in the background the full image. Some other
photo management software do it like that. They even first load just  an
upscaled version of the thumbnail, then a preview, then the full image.

By the way I don't think panning is the most important thing, maybe we
could think about the ui/keys again before 1.1.0.
For example having the possibility to go next previous using
mousewheel/arrows keys would be nice as well.

Maybe there could be several options, here are a few possibilities (we
should add too many options):

A- When in thumbnail view
- double click ?
  1 open in editor
  2 open in preview
- simple click ?
 1 open in editor
 2 open in preview
B- When in preview mode
- double click ?
 1 open in editor
 2 go out from preview mode
 3 zoom to 100%/ zoom to fit
- simple click ?
 1 panning
 2 go out from preview mode
- mousewheel ?
 1 next- previous
 2 panning
 3 zoom in / out
- arrow keys
 1 next-previous
 2 panning

Another point related to this:
Qt 4.6 now supports multi touch. Does anyone has a linux device with  
supports multitouch ?

Julien

Andi Clemens a écrit :

> I was not able to follow digikam developement in the last weeks that much, so
> maybe these controls are a user wish, but right now I have the following
> issues with them, see
> http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4185/overlaytextlabelproblem.png
>
> Andi Clemens
> -----------------
> www.digikam.org
>
> On Saturday 30 January 2010 08:42:22 Andi Clemens wrote:
>  
>> Hi,
>>
>> is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the
>>  image preview widget?
>> They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see them,
>> especially the text label.
>> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
>> all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>>
>> I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but right
>>  now I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
>> I looked in Settings->AlbumView...
>>
>> Andi
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[Marcel Wiesweg]

> is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the
>  image preview widget?
> They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see them,
> especially the text label.
> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
> all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>
> I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but right
>  now I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
> I looked in Settings->AlbumView...

Didn't notice before as well ;-)
I think it's Gilles' work. There were a lot of preview commits recently.
I agree to add an option.

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Yes I agree, double click could be used for returning to album view (although
gwenview goes fullscreen on double click)...

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On Saturday 30 January 2010 09:36:57 Julien Narboux wrote:

> Andi,
>
> Yes there were a wish about panning using left mouse bouton -> which
> implies that left mouse button can not be used to go out from preview
> mode. I think this is the reason why Gilles added this small toolbar. I
> agree with you previous/next are not very usefull. I don't think we
> really need rotation icons either, having them on the thumbnails is
> enough IMHO.
> The button to go out from preview mode is useful, but maybe we could use
> double click instead ?
>
> I think the overlay text  label clarify things. It is a good temporary
> solution, the best solution would be that preview  first loads a reduced
> size preview and then loads in the background the full image. Some other
> photo management software do it like that. They even first load just  an
> upscaled version of the thumbnail, then a preview, then the full image.
>
> By the way I don't think panning is the most important thing, maybe we
> could think about the ui/keys again before 1.1.0.
> For example having the possibility to go next previous using
> mousewheel/arrows keys would be nice as well.
>
> Maybe there could be several options, here are a few possibilities (we
> should add too many options):
>
> A- When in thumbnail view
> - double click ?
>   1 open in editor
>   2 open in preview
> - simple click ?
>  1 open in editor
>  2 open in preview
> B- When in preview mode
> - double click ?
>  1 open in editor
>  2 go out from preview mode
>  3 zoom to 100%/ zoom to fit
> - simple click ?
>  1 panning
>  2 go out from preview mode
> - mousewheel ?
>  1 next- previous
>  2 panning
>  3 zoom in / out
> - arrow keys
>  1 next-previous
>  2 panning
>
> Another point related to this:
> Qt 4.6 now supports multi touch. Does anyone has a linux device with
> supports multitouch ?
>
> Julien
>
> Andi Clemens a écrit :
> > I was not able to follow digikam developement in the last weeks that
> > much, so maybe these controls are a user wish, but right now I have the
> > following issues with them, see
> > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4185/overlaytextlabelproblem.png
> >
> > Andi Clemens
> > -----------------
> > www.digikam.org
> >
> > On Saturday 30 January 2010 08:42:22 Andi Clemens wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the
> >>  image preview widget?
> >> They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see
> >> them, especially the text label.
> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
> >>
> >> I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but
> >> right now I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
> >> I looked in Settings->AlbumView...
> >>
> >> Andi
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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Please, to add a new option, wait 1.1.0 release, because strings are
frozen for translators...

Gilles (playing with new Nokia N900 device to port digiKam to Mameo SDK (:=)))



2010/1/30 Andi Clemens <[hidden email]>:

> Yes I agree, double click could be used for returning to album view (although
> gwenview goes fullscreen on double click)...
>
> Andi Clemens
> -----------------
> www.digikam.org
>
> On Saturday 30 January 2010 09:36:57 Julien Narboux wrote:
>> Andi,
>>
>> Yes there were a wish about panning using left mouse bouton -> which
>> implies that left mouse button can not be used to go out from preview
>> mode. I think this is the reason why Gilles added this small toolbar. I
>> agree with you previous/next are not very usefull. I don't think we
>> really need rotation icons either, having them on the thumbnails is
>> enough IMHO.
>> The button to go out from preview mode is useful, but maybe we could use
>> double click instead ?
>>
>> I think the overlay text  label clarify things. It is a good temporary
>> solution, the best solution would be that preview  first loads a reduced
>> size preview and then loads in the background the full image. Some other
>> photo management software do it like that. They even first load just  an
>> upscaled version of the thumbnail, then a preview, then the full image.
>>
>> By the way I don't think panning is the most important thing, maybe we
>> could think about the ui/keys again before 1.1.0.
>> For example having the possibility to go next previous using
>> mousewheel/arrows keys would be nice as well.
>>
>> Maybe there could be several options, here are a few possibilities (we
>> should add too many options):
>>
>> A- When in thumbnail view
>> - double click ?
>>   1 open in editor
>>   2 open in preview
>> - simple click ?
>>  1 open in editor
>>  2 open in preview
>> B- When in preview mode
>> - double click ?
>>  1 open in editor
>>  2 go out from preview mode
>>  3 zoom to 100%/ zoom to fit
>> - simple click ?
>>  1 panning
>>  2 go out from preview mode
>> - mousewheel ?
>>  1 next- previous
>>  2 panning
>>  3 zoom in / out
>> - arrow keys
>>  1 next-previous
>>  2 panning
>>
>> Another point related to this:
>> Qt 4.6 now supports multi touch. Does anyone has a linux device with
>> supports multitouch ?
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> Andi Clemens a écrit :
>> > I was not able to follow digikam developement in the last weeks that
>> > much, so maybe these controls are a user wish, but right now I have the
>> > following issues with them, see
>> > http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4185/overlaytextlabelproblem.png
>> >
>> > Andi Clemens
>> > -----------------
>> > www.digikam.org
>> >
>> > On Saturday 30 January 2010 08:42:22 Andi Clemens wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> is there a way to turn off the overlay buttons and the text label in the
>> >>  image preview widget?
>> >> They are very distracting (at least for me), and I don't want to see
>> >> them, especially the text label.
>> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
>> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>> >>
>> >> I guess a lot of users will not like it and want to turn it off, but
>> >> right now I have not found any option. Is it hidden somewhere else?
>> >> I looked in Settings->AlbumView...
>> >>
>> >> Andi
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> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
> all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D

Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon view by
a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of five. Is this
intentional?
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Am 31.01.2010 21:44 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
>
>
>> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image at
>> all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>
> Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon view by
> a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of five. Is this
> intentional?

I also don't like this behaviour. Simply viewing one image and then
switching back to icon view is now a nuisance. I don't understand why we
cannot use single click anymore. Panning the preview is always a drag
operation. So it would be no problem to separate this from a single
click for switching back to the icon view.

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Why not just use the KDE system settings? We are inconsistent here since a
long time. If you set KDE to open everything with double-click, we should
respect that. We did this in KDE3, but returning from preview mode still
happened with a single click.

So I would suggest that if the global setting is double-click, we should go
into preview mode (and return from it) with double-click, too (this is a long
awaited user wish if I remember correctly).
When global setting is single-click, we should do so, too.

The same can be adapted to the expanding / collapsing of the album trees, too
of course (like dolphin does).

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On Sunday 31 January 2010 23:05:22 Johannes Wienke wrote:

> Am 31.01.2010 21:44 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
> >
> > Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon
> > view by a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of
> > five. Is this intentional?
>
> I also don't like this behaviour. Simply viewing one image and then
> switching back to icon view is now a nuisance. I don't understand why we
> cannot use single click anymore. Panning the preview is always a drag
> operation. So it would be no problem to separate this from a single
> click for switching back to the icon view.
>
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Actually I would even go that far and say that we can not release digiKam
1.1.0 like this, it just feels broken. But since it is already released....
:-)
Maybe this was too quick?

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On Sunday 31 January 2010 23:05:22 Johannes Wienke wrote:

> Am 31.01.2010 21:44 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
> >
> > Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon
> > view by a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of
> > five. Is this intentional?
>
> I also don't like this behaviour. Simply viewing one image and then
> switching back to icon view is now a nuisance. I don't understand why we
> cannot use single click anymore. Panning the preview is always a drag
> operation. So it would be no problem to separate this from a single
> click for switching back to the icon view.
>
> Johannes
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[Gilles Caulier-4]

I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.

Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
mouse button to pan image.

To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.

Double left click can be a solution to back to album.

Bugzilla entry releavant is this one :

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183108

Note : i don't want to add an option just to know how to pan an image...

Gilles

2010/1/31 Andi Clemens <[hidden email]>:

> Actually I would even go that far and say that we can not release digiKam
> 1.1.0 like this, it just feels broken. But since it is already released....
> :-)
> Maybe this was too quick?
>
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>
> On Sunday 31 January 2010 23:05:22 Johannes Wienke wrote:
>> Am 31.01.2010 21:44 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
>> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
>> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>> >
>> > Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon
>> > view by a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of
>> > five. Is this intentional?
>>
>> I also don't like this behaviour. Simply viewing one image and then
>> switching back to icon view is now a nuisance. I don't understand why we
>> cannot use single click anymore. Panning the preview is always a drag
>> operation. So it would be no problem to separate this from a single
>> click for switching back to the icon view.
>>
>> Johannes
>>
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Done in svn : double left mouse button click is not used to back to album view.

Gilles

2010/2/1 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:

> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>
> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
> mouse button to pan image.
>
> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>
> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.
>
> Bugzilla entry releavant is this one :
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183108
>
> Note : i don't want to add an option just to know how to pan an image...
>
> Gilles
>
> 2010/1/31 Andi Clemens <[hidden email]>:
>> Actually I would even go that far and say that we can not release digiKam
>> 1.1.0 like this, it just feels broken. But since it is already released....
>> :-)
>> Maybe this was too quick?
>>
>> Andi Clemens
>> -----------------
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>>
>> On Sunday 31 January 2010 23:05:22 Johannes Wienke wrote:
>>> Am 31.01.2010 21:44 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
>>> >> It would be much better to have these controls not overlaying the image
>>> >> at all, but maybe this is just my opinion :D
>>> >
>>> > Currenlty it's not possible any more to get back from preview to icon
>>> > view by a simple mouse click. Only by hitting the tiny icon, third of
>>> > five. Is this intentional?
>>>
>>> I also don't like this behaviour. Simply viewing one image and then
>>> switching back to icon view is now a nuisance. I don't understand why we
>>> cannot use single click anymore. Panning the preview is always a drag
>>> operation. So it would be no problem to separate this from a single
>>> click for switching back to the icon view.
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
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[Johannes Wienke-3]

Am 01.02.2010 09:33 schrieb Gilles Caulier:

> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>
> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
> mouse button to pan image.
>
> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>
> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.

But why not single click if that's the kde setting? A click is something
different than panning.

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2010/2/1 Johannes Wienke <[hidden email]>:

> Am 01.02.2010 09:33 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
>>
>> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
>> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
>> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>>
>> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
>> mouse button to pan image.
>>
>> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>>
>> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.
>
> But why not single click if that's the kde setting? A click is something
> different than panning.

well no, because you need to click with left button on preview area to
perform pan (without to leave left button of course). this is the
problem...

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[Johannes Wienke-3]

Am 01.02.2010 10:38 schrieb Gilles Caulier:

> 2010/2/1 Johannes Wienke <[hidden email]>:
>> Am 01.02.2010 09:33 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
>>> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
>>> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
>>> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>>>
>>> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
>>> mouse button to pan image.
>>>
>>> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>>>
>>> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.
>> But why not single click if that's the kde setting? A click is something
>> different than panning.
>
> well no, because you need to click with left button on preview area to
> perform pan (without to leave left button of course). this is the
> problem...

Well but a simple click doesn't contain a dragging operation whereas
panning always includes moving the mouse while having clicked the left
button. So I don't see a problem in deciding which event is which. I
also remember some applications using this logic.

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Using KDE control panel setting will increase the puzzle again. Image
Gnome users under unbutu which have not installed KDE control center.
They will become completely crazy if a simple behavior settings is
located outside digiKam. this is why i won't to see a settings for a
simple action like this...

Note : look in gwenview how left/right mouse buttons are configurable.
I think is bad idea to make this behavior configurable (it's another
story), but at least, Aurélien do not use KDE control panel for
that...

Gilles


2010/2/1 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:

> 2010/2/1 Johannes Wienke <[hidden email]>:
>> Am 01.02.2010 09:33 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
>>>
>>> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
>>> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
>>> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>>>
>>> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
>>> mouse button to pan image.
>>>
>>> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>>>
>>> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.
>>
>> But why not single click if that's the kde setting? A click is something
>> different than panning.
>
> well no, because you need to click with left button on preview area to
> perform pan (without to leave left button of course). this is the
> problem...
>
> Gilles
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[Johannes Wienke-3]

Am 01.02.2010 10:42 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> Using KDE control panel setting will increase the puzzle again. Image
> Gnome users under unbutu which have not installed KDE control center.
> They will become completely crazy if a simple behavior settings is
> located outside digiKam. this is why i won't to see a settings for a
> simple action like this...

Well but it's a crucial behaviour of the whole KDE desktop. I just
tested that gwenview also respects this setting for switching from icon
mode to preview. What about a user poll for this?

> 2010/2/1 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:
>> 2010/2/1 Johannes Wienke <[hidden email]>:
>>> Am 01.02.2010 09:33 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
>>>> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
>>>> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
>>>> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>>>>
>>>> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
>>>> mouse button to pan image.
>>>>
>>>> To back to album view, use toolbar button or press ESC.
>>>>
>>>> Double left click can be a solution to back to album.
>>> But why not single click if that's the kde setting? A click is something
>>> different than panning.
>> well no, because you need to click with left button on preview area to
>> perform pan (without to leave left button of course). this is the
>> problem...
>>
>> Gilles
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> I removed simple left mouse button to back to album view to let's user
> pan the image in this way. Initially, middle mouse button work in this
> way, but with laptop this button is generally not available.
>
> Also, we need to be consistent with other application which use left
> mouse button to pan image.

I dont want to pan the image at all, it's not zoomed. That means single click
does nothing. And I dont want to double click, I never do this.

Imagine the unexperienced user:
Accidentally click somewhere - image get big. Nice.
Click again - nothing happens. Desparation, call for help.

So there are two major inconsistencies now:
1) Single click opens an image, but there is no easy way to go back
2) Digikam behavior as it was for years has changed.

I would support Johannes: Pan when dragging, close when clicking (*).

(*) and KDE is set to single click

Marcel
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[Johannes Wienke-3]

Am 01.02.2010 18:48 schrieb Marcel Wiesweg:
> I would support Johannes: Pan when dragging, close when clicking (*).
>
> (*) and KDE is set to single click

Do we already respect KDE settings for opening images as gwenview does
this? I would also vote for this.

Johannes


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> Do we already respect KDE settings for opening images as gwenview does
> this? I would also vote for this.

From the views we do it (Qt does it for us), from the preview back to the icon
view we did not do it before (fixed single click) nor do we do it now (fixed
double click)
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