On backing up

[Paul Verizzo]

Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
community has similar options.

Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
are in a third location.

I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).

Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
least twice a month -  if I remembered!.

For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.  
Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.

Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
web hosting space to hold the back up.

When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
writings, I think I'd shoot myself.

I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
demolition, I think my photos are safe.

Paul


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[Gilles Caulier-4]

I'm just interrested by this post.

Carbonite service
http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works

is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb ???

Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
Linux is used in background by Carbonite)

Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize ?

Gilles Caulier

2011/2/23 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:

> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
> community has similar options.
>
> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
> are in a third location.
>
> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
>
> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
>
> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
>
> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
> web hosting space to hold the back up.
>
> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
>
> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
>
> Paul
>
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[Anders Stedtlund]

I don't know if you consider it attractice prize wize or comparable:
https://spideroak.com/

I use the free 2GB for documents and such. Not images though.

Works under Linux .

/Anders

2011/2/23 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:

> I'm just interrested by this post.
>
> Carbonite service
> http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works
>
> is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb ???
>
> Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
> Linux is used in background by Carbonite)
>
> Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize ?
>
> Gilles Caulier
>
> 2011/2/23 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:
>> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
>> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
>> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
>> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
>> community has similar options.
>>
>> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
>> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
>> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
>> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
>> are in a third location.
>>
>> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
>> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
>> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
>> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
>> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
>>
>> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
>> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
>>
>> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
>> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
>> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
>> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
>> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
>> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
>> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
>>
>> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
>> web hosting space to hold the back up.
>>
>> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
>> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
>> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
>> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
>> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
>>
>> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
>> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
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[dil23]

I use Perfect Backup -- http://www.perfectbackup.co.uk/

there's a free 1Gb account (which I use) and you can buy bigger ones.

seems very good to me! backups can be automated & easy to get files back (even
previous versions) & runs on Linux

DIL23
:)


On Wednesday 23 Feb 2011 14:27:03 Stedtlund wrote:

> I don't know if you consider it attractice prize wize or comparable:
> https://spideroak.com/
>
> I use the free 2GB for documents and such. Not images though.
>
> Works under Linux .
>
> /Anders
>
> 2011/2/23 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:
> > I'm just interrested by this post.
> >
> > Carbonite service
> > http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works
> >
> > is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb
> > ???
> >
> > Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
> > Linux is used in background by Carbonite)
> >
> > Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize
> > ?
> >
> > Gilles Caulier
> >
> > 2011/2/23 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:
> >> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
> >> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
> >> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
> >> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
> >> community has similar options.
> >>
> >> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
> >> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
> >> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
> >> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
> >> are in a third location.
> >>
> >> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
> >> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
> >> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
> >> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
> >> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
> >>
> >> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
> >> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
> >>
> >> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
> >> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
> >> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
> >> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
> >> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
> >> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
> >> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
> >>
> >> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
> >> web hosting space to hold the back up.
> >>
> >> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
> >> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
> >> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
> >> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
> >> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
> >>
> >> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
> >> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
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[DIL23-2]

I use Perfect Backup -- http://www.perfectbackup.co.uk/

there's a free 1Gb account (which I use) and you can buy bigger ones.

seems very good to me! backups can be automated & easy to get files back (even
previous versions) & runs on Linux

DIL23
:)

On Wednesday 23 Feb 2011 14:27:03 Stedtlund wrote:

> I don't know if you consider it attractice prize wize or comparable:
> https://spideroak.com/
>
> I use the free 2GB for documents and such. Not images though.
>
> Works under Linux .
>
> /Anders
>
> 2011/2/23 Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]>:
> > I'm just interrested by this post.
> >
> > Carbonite service
> > http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works
> >
> > is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb
> > ???
> >
> > Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
> > Linux is used in background by Carbonite)
> >
> > Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize
> > ?
> >
> > Gilles Caulier
> >
> > 2011/2/23 Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>:
> >> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
> >> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
> >> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
> >> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
> >> community has similar options.
> >>
> >> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
> >> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
> >> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
> >> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
> >> are in a third location.
> >>
> >> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
> >> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
> >> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
> >> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
> >> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
> >>
> >> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
> >> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
> >>
> >> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
> >> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
> >> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
> >> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
> >> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
> >> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
> >> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
> >>
> >> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
> >> web hosting space to hold the back up.
> >>
> >> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
> >> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
> >> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
> >> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
> >> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
> >>
> >> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
> >> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
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[Bernhard Schweighofer]

Am Mittwoch, den 23.02.2011, 14:39 +0100 schrieb Gilles Caulier:
> Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize ?

Just did a "fast" search with google (since I'm also interested in such
a thing...). Found:

www.crashplan.com

Looks pretty fine...

regards
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[Gerard Milhaud]

Le 23/02/2011 15:50, DIL23 a écrit :

Dropbox is another possibility. 2Gb free at registration and up to 10Gb
with the invitation mechanism.
9,99€/month for 50GB.
Linux, MacOS, Windows.
No operation needed for sync local data with dropbox cloud and other
computer you use with dropbox installed...

G.

> I use Perfect Backup -- http://www.perfectbackup.co.uk/
>
> there's a free 1Gb account (which I use) and you can buy bigger ones.
>
> seems very good to me! backups can be automated&  easy to get files back (even
> previous versions)&  runs on Linux
>
> DIL23
> :)
>
> On Wednesday 23 Feb 2011 14:27:03 Stedtlund wrote:
>    
>> I don't know if you consider it attractice prize wize or comparable:
>> https://spideroak.com/
>>
>> I use the free 2GB for documents and such. Not images though.
>>
>> Works under Linux .
>>
>> /Anders
>>
>> 2011/2/23 Gilles Caulier<[hidden email]>:
>>      
>>> I'm just interrested by this post.
>>>
>>> Carbonite service
>>> http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works
>>>
>>> is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
>>> Linux is used in background by Carbonite)
>>>
>>> Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Gilles Caulier
>>>
>>> 2011/2/23 Paul Verizzo<[hidden email]>:
>>>        
>>>> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
>>>> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
>>>> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
>>>> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
>>>> community has similar options.
>>>>
>>>> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
>>>> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
>>>> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
>>>> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
>>>> are in a third location.
>>>>
>>>> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
>>>> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
>>>> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
>>>> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
>>>> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
>>>>
>>>> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
>>>> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
>>>>
>>>> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
>>>> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
>>>> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
>>>> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
>>>> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
>>>> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
>>>> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
>>>> web hosting space to hold the back up.
>>>>
>>>> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
>>>> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
>>>> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
>>>> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
>>>> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
>>>> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
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[Bernhard Schweighofer]

Am Mittwoch, den 23.02.2011, 16:04 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Schweighofer:
> www.crashplan.com
>

Forgot to mention the prices:

50$/year or 35$/year if you make a 4 years contract...

They mention an "unlimited storage" - whatever that means. On their
website I couldn't find any "hard limits"...

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[Johnny]

Another option is to use CD/DVD as a third option instead of foreign
servers. I am strongly considering DAR as a tool for this, which is a
Linux tool to make multiple DVDs, if necessary, and allow for
incremental backups and indexing.

However, I didn't get around to it; any opinions/experiences welcome, or
I'll report back if I implement it.

http://dar.linux.free.fr/
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[David Talmage-2]

On Wed Feb 23  8:27 , Paul Verizzo [hidden email]> sent:

> ...
>Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
>month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
> ...
>I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
>local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
>issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
> ...
>For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
>unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.  
>Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
> ...

I would be sad if my photo collection disappeared.  My solution is a different
from Mr. Verizzo's. It costs more but I don't have to worry about a third party
who holds my valuable assets remaining in business.  Also, it's a general backup
solution, so I can protect more than my pictures.

I manage my photos using my computer and a pair of NAS boxes.  One of the NAS box
is in my home and the other is at a friend's house several miles away.  When I
copy pictures from my camera to my computer, I also copy them to the local NAS
box.  This gives me a second, local copy.  Every night, the local NAS box copies
the new and changed files to the remote NAS box using rsync.  This gives me
off-site backup.

Once in a while, I rsync all of my pictures between my computer and the local NAS
box to be sure that any metadata I might have changed in them gets backed up, too.

I minimized the pain of the initial rsync between the two NAS boxes by doing it
at home.

Dave

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donc think backup, think recovery.

is what you do a true backup (daily, weekly, monthly, rotating) to
protect against hardware failure? (mass restore if necessary)

is it a copy to protect from accidental erase? (idividual file restore
a la trash can)

is it an archive of all your work for the time beeing? (high capacity
hard drive and multi Blu-Ray disk write)

jdd

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[Dr. Martin Senftleben]

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Am 23.02.2011 19:33, schrieb Johnny:
> Another option is to use CD/DVD as a third option instead of foreign
> servers. I am strongly considering DAR as a tool for this, which is a
> Linux tool to make multiple DVDs, if necessary, and allow for
> incremental backups and indexing.
>
> However, I didn't get around to it; any opinions/experiences welcome, or
> I'll report back if I implement it.

I use dar, however not with CDs/DVDs, that would require an awful lot of
disks (the initial backup requires about 1 TB of space). I attach eSATA
disks to the PC and start a script which I have written that identifies
the external drive and starts either an incremental backup or a full
backup, depending on whether I enter the date of the last increment or not.
With darGUI you have an easy to use graphical interface.
My harddisk I put away after the backup has completed in a fireproof
box. Once I had to restore all data because the internal hard disk
crashed - no problem at all.

Martin
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[gerlos]

Il giorno 23/feb/2011, alle ore 14.39, Gilles Caulier ha scritto:

> I'm just interrested by this post.
>
> Carbonite service
> http://www.carbonite.com/en/online-backup-software/how-it-works
>
> is not too expensive : 54$ per computer... but for which capacity in Gb ???
>
> Of course, service do not work under Linux, as usual (i'm sure that
> Linux is used in background by Carbonite)
>
> Somebody know an alternative, working under Linux, with attractive prize ?

Since i's part of KDE, I strongly suggest you to give a look at ownCloud:
http://owncloud.org

You can install it anywhere you want (it needs apache, php5 and mysql or sqlite), and get cloud storage features you need, on your hardware (I don't know of you, but I worry about privacy on cloud services), or just buy such a service from a vendor like this:
https://www.packagecloud.com/?au=owncloud
(it's 5 euros/month for unlimited space, so you have a lot of data it's not bad at all)

Another important thing to keep in mind is that a lot of those cloud services are proprietary software, and you really can't know anything about the risks for your privacy or your data. The aim with owncloud is to give you back control.
At the moment not all the planned features are ready, but it's a matter of months.

I think that it would be really great if KDE projects like digikam and owncloud could interoperate more tightly.

Another open source cloud storage service is Sparkleshare:
http://sparkleshare.org/

It has less features than owncloud, but it seems to be more "user-ready" than owncloud. It needs only git and ssh on the server, so one can self-host it on his/her own hardware (keeping data private), or get free hosting using github or gitorious (but this way anything will be public).

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Il giorno 23/feb/2011, alle ore 14.27, Paul Verizzo ha scritto:

> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
> community has similar options.


Maybe is worth pointing this interesting discussion from KDE brainstorm:
http://ur1.ca/3bs7m
They are discussing about the possibility to integrate a backup tool in the KDE Plasma desktop.

Another KDE integrated tool in development (or not? it's some months that there's not commits...) worth looking is TimeVault:
http://gitorious.org/timevault
http://blog.chatonka.com/

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If you are using digiKam on Linux, I highly recommend rsync.net. It's not the
cheapest solution out there, but their support is exceptional, and you can use
good old rsync with it. I store all my photos on a B3 personal server
(http://excito.com/), and I back them up to rsync.net and another B3 using a
simple Bash script and a cron job. Further
info: http://wiki.excito.org/wiki/index.php/Tutorials_and_How-tos/Backup_with_rsync_and_rsync.net


Best,
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Subject: [Digikam-users]  On backing up

Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
community has similar options.

Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
are in a third location.

I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).

Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
least twice a month -  if I remembered!.

For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.  
Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.

Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
web hosting space to hold the back up.

When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
writings, I think I'd shoot myself.

I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
demolition, I think my photos are safe.

Paul


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Yes, this service sound like better than other....

Gilles Caulier

2011/2/24 Dmitri Popov <[hidden email]>:

> If you are using digiKam on Linux, I highly recommend rsync.net. It's not the
> cheapest solution out there, but their support is exceptional, and you can use
> good old rsync with it. I store all my photos on a B3 personal server
> (http://excito.com/), and I back them up to rsync.net and another B3 using a
> simple Bash script and a cron job. Further
> info: http://wiki.excito.org/wiki/index.php/Tutorials_and_How-tos/Backup_with_rsync_and_rsync.net
>
>
> Best,
> Dmitri
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Paul Verizzo <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 2:27:12 PM
> Subject: [Digikam-users]  On backing up
>
> Having almost lost a big box of photos to a fire in 1988, and many hard
> drives dying over the years, call me paranoid.  Pardon me if I weigh in
> on this somewhat off topic topic, but it is a passion of mine.  While my
> experiences and practices are for Windows, surely the open source
> community has similar options.
>
> Backing up once a month is fine if  you don't shoot anything in a
> month!  Anytime I off load a camera to the computer, it gets backed up
> right away.  /You hard drive WILL fail.  Maybe not tomorrow, but
> eventually!  /And I don't erase the camera card until those new images
> are in a third location.
>
> I have a second drive on the computer for backups.  I just saw several
> local vendors selling 2 TB USB drives for $100.  Cost is no longer an
> issue.  I use a simple command box program called xxcopy.  A few
> keystrokes, off it goes.  I can either merely add new material (/bu) or
> clone the second drive to mirror the first (/clone).
>
> Once upon a time I kept a hard drive in my car and I would clone it at
> least twice a month -  if I remembered!.
>
> For over a year I've been using Carbonite service.  For $55/year,
> unlimited storage, automatic backing up, and off site retrieval.
> Usually in minutes, my new images are WAY off site.  OK, now I can erase
> the camera card.  One time I very accidentally erased, yes, my photo
> folder from both my primary and secondary hard drives while cleaning
> things up!   In twelve hours it was all restored from Carbonite.  It's
> not just fire or hard ware failure, there is the human component.
>
> Maybe there is a Linux equivalent of Carbonite, or you can use your own
> web hosting space to hold the back up.
>
> When I went on vacation this month, I took my second hard drive to my
> sister's in a plastic food box.  My house could burn down (see opening
> sentence) and I would still have two copies of everything.  If I were to
> ever lose all my (digital, there are still analog) photos, and my
> writings, I think I'd shoot myself.
>
> I hope this possibly saves a disaster for someone.  Short of nuclear
> demolition, I think my photos are safe.
>
> Paul
>
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"Dr. Martin Senftleben" <[hidden email]> writes:

> I use dar, however not with CDs/DVDs
Great to hear an acutal user, could you please review it's advantages a
bit more, as you're not using space restricted media? In my mind, I
thought the main advantage to dar is you can specify a maximum
repository size (e.g. 4.7 GB for DVD) and get a grouping of the data as
such, with a usable index, and additionally incremental updates.

> that would require an awful lot of disks (the initial backup requires
> about 1 TB of space).
I agree and have not yet estimated number of disks I would need... OK, I
use only 100 GB so far, so only.... 20 DVDs roughly! Yes, it is quite a
lot, but I like the idea of having a third backup in a non-erasable
media, as after all, any hard disks can be overwritten accidentally
(however I would agree it is unlikely to happen simultaneously, but
assume one would fiddle up the back-up script, so when backing up,
actually both locations are overwritten? SPOF.)

> I attach eSATA disks to the PC and start a script which I have written
> that identifies the external drive and starts either an incremental
> backup or a full backup, depending on whether I enter the date of the
> last increment or not.  With darGUI you have an easy to use graphical
> interface.  My harddisk I put away after the backup has completed in a
> fireproof box. Once I had to restore all data because the internal
> hard disk crashed - no problem at all.
What in your opinion do you achieve that cannot be done with rsync by
using dar in this way?

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Am 24.02.2011 18:51, schrieb Johnny:
> "Dr. Martin Senftleben" <[hidden email]> writes:
>
>> I use dar, however not with CDs/DVDs
> Great to hear an acutal user, could you please review it's advantages a
> bit more, as you're not using space restricted media?

I also use slices, but it wouldn't be necessary. They are all 4 GB in
size. I have quite a long config file in which I note down which paths
and file(-types) to exclude and what compression it should use. I
figured out that there is a big difference in speed when using
compression on already compressed files, so I excluded also quite a few
file types from compression. It's a good thing that dar has these
options. Among them are most of the photos. Still, if I do a full
backup, it takes about 24 hours. However, i can change the priority of
dar, then it's a bit faster.

>> that would require an awful lot of disks (the initial backup requires
>> about 1 TB of space).
> I agree and have not yet estimated number of disks I would need... OK, I
> use only 100 GB so far, so only.... 20 DVDs roughly! Yes, it is quite a
> lot, but I like the idea of having a third backup in a non-erasable
> media, as after all, any hard disks can be overwritten accidentally
> (however I would agree it is unlikely to happen simultaneously, but
> assume one would fiddle up the back-up script, so when backing up,
> actually both locations are overwritten? SPOF.)

Well, i have of course checked my backup script for any possible faults.
I think it's safe, I hadn't had any problems and use it already for a
few years. I take the hard drives out of the fire proof box only for the
backup, so there is no danger of mixing it up and doing the wrong thing.
And dar warns you, if anything happens like attempt of overwriting the
existing archive or other such things.
The backup is done with an automatically attached date in the archive's
filename, which works just fine. The archives have filenames which make
it impossible to overwrite the original data. They are just different.
So if someone fiddles with the script, then the only thing that could
happen is that the archive is placed on your hard drive in the PC, and
not on the external one. Unless, that someone gives a name for the
archive file that exists on the hard drive already. But then, dar will
prompt you for input on what to do - whether overwrite, abort or I don't
know what else ;-).

>> I attach eSATA disks to the PC ...
> What in your opinion do you achieve that cannot be done with rsync by
> using dar in this way?

no idea. I don't trust rsync the way I trust dar, because I always fear
that rsync, as it syncs files, might overwrite the wrong files... I
really haven't worked much with rsync.

Hope that helps

Martin
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"Dr. Martin Senftleben" <[hidden email]> writes:
> Hope that helps
Yes, thanks for your views! I'll try DAR sometime soon, as it seems to
be the good and AFAIK the only application doing slices of the
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Dr. Martin Senftleben píše v Čt 24. 02. 2011 v 20:13 +0100:
> Am 24.02.2011 18:51, schrieb Johnny:
> > What in your opinion do you achieve that cannot be done with rsync by
> > using dar in this way?
>
> no idea. I don't trust rsync the way I trust dar, because I always fear
> that rsync, as it syncs files, might overwrite the wrong files... I
> really haven't worked much with rsync.

I would be interested in answers to that original question, too. Here is
how I see them compare:

1) rsync gets easily over networks (dar too, but with some hassle)

2) rsync does not (cannot) compress the backup, while dar does so. (Not
much useful for images, though)

3) rsync may have troubles with some file attributes (ACL, ...) if the
target file system does not support them. Dar should be without problems
here.

4) rsync can also do kind of incremental backup (on filesystem
supporting hard links):
http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ (lot of info)
http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Simple_snapshot_style_backup (just a script)

5) restoring files from rsync'ed backup is way easier (those are just
regular files) than from dar (even though dar_manager, dargui, kdar
exist)

6) rsync would not work for backup to exchangeable media of small size.

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