Invisible digital watermark
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How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned
here: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright How can I do a regular watermark? drl |
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You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which are
patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... Best Gilles Caulier 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk <[hidden email]>: > How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned > here: > https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright > > How can I do a regular watermark? > > drl |
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There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is
called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: > You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which are > patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... > > Best > > Gilles Caulier > > 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk <[hidden email]>: >> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned >> here: >> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >> >> How can I do a regular watermark? >> >> drl |
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Very interesting. Please comment this entry in bugzilla accordingly :
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268981 Thanks in advance Gilles Caulier 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: > There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is > called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the > info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ > > On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: >> You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which are >> patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... >> >> Best >> >> Gilles Caulier >> >> 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk <[hidden email]>: >>> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned >>> here: >>> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >>> >>> How can I do a regular watermark? >>> >>> drl > > |
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On 05/12/2017 07:05 PM, Gilles Caulier wrote:
> Very interesting. Please comment this entry in bugzilla accordingly : > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268981 > > Thanks in advance > > Gilles Caulier > > 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: >> There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is >> called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the >> info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ >> >> On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>> You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which are >>> patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Gilles Caulier >>> >>> 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk <[hidden email]>: >>>> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned >>>> here: >>>> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >>>> >>>> How can I do a regular watermark? >>>> >>>> drl >> >> Thank you Gilles and Simon. Hopefully, the impossible may be possible after all. drl |
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Maybe something similar to image steganography could be used?
That is a process where one can embed encrypted message/image into a picture. Pixelknot is such an OSS-application for Android, see <https://guardianproject.info/apps/pixelknot/> Simon, do you know how well the Fourier markings survive through modifications by image sharing services? Regards, Sveinn í Felli Þann fös 12.maí 2017 12:38, skrifaði Louis A. Turk: > On 05/12/2017 07:05 PM, Gilles Caulier wrote: >> Very interesting. Please comment this entry in bugzilla accordingly : >> >> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268981 >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Gilles Caulier >> >> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: >>> There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is >>> called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the >>> info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ >>> >>> On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>> You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which are >>>> patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk <[hidden email]>: >>>>> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as mentioned >>>>> here: >>>>> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >>>>> >>>>> How can I do a regular watermark? >>>>> >>>>> drl >>> >>> > > Thank you Gilles and Simon. Hopefully, the impossible may be possible > after all. > > drl > |
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I don't know anything about how it works, I just had a hunch that this
would be something that could be in G'MIC - and it was. You best ask the G'MIC folks about it. Honestly, I don't really consider this very useful in the real world. The party where you proclaim a copyright breach has to use G'MIC digiKam to recover the copyright information, which they probably won't, and a simple proof of ownership by comparing to an "original" (higher res, raw, ...) picture is probably sufficient. If your picture is that valuable, the "thief" will probably also go trough the trouble of removing your notice from the fourier domain (which probably is possible, as it is fourier and the original transformation implementation is known). On 12/05/17 15:17, Sveinn í Felli wrote: > Maybe something similar to image steganography could be used? > That is a process where one can embed encrypted message/image into a > picture. Pixelknot is such an OSS-application for Android, see > <https://guardianproject.info/apps/pixelknot/> > > Simon, do you know how well the Fourier markings survive through > modifications by image sharing services? > > Regards, > Sveinn í Felli > > Þann fös 12.maí 2017 12:38, skrifaði Louis A. Turk: >> On 05/12/2017 07:05 PM, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>> Very interesting. Please comment this entry in bugzilla accordingly : >>> >>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268981 >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Gilles Caulier >>> >>> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: >>>> There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is >>>> called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the >>>> info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ >>>> >>>> On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>>> You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which >>>>> are >>>>> patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Gilles Caulier >>>>> >>>>> 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk >>>>> <[hidden email]>: >>>>>> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as >>>>>> mentioned >>>>>> here: >>>>>> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How can I do a regular watermark? >>>>>> >>>>>> drl >>>> >>>> >> >> Thank you Gilles and Simon. Hopefully, the impossible may be possible >> after all. >> >> drl >> > |
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Simon,
Photoshop have a tool to watermark photo before to publish this on the web. It's in relation with a web service to identify a copyright photo everywhere though the web. Of course the service is not free... https://www.digimarc.com/application/photography Gilles 2017-05-12 18:16 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: > I don't know anything about how it works, I just had a hunch that this > would be something that could be in G'MIC - and it was. You best ask the > G'MIC folks about it. > > Honestly, I don't really consider this very useful in the real world. > The party where you proclaim a copyright breach has to use G'MIC digiKam > to recover the copyright information, which they probably won't, and a > simple proof of ownership by comparing to an "original" (higher res, > raw, ...) picture is probably sufficient. If your picture is that > valuable, the "thief" will probably also go trough the trouble of > removing your notice from the fourier domain (which probably is > possible, as it is fourier and the original transformation > implementation is known). > > On 12/05/17 15:17, Sveinn í Felli wrote: >> Maybe something similar to image steganography could be used? >> That is a process where one can embed encrypted message/image into a >> picture. Pixelknot is such an OSS-application for Android, see >> <https://guardianproject.info/apps/pixelknot/> >> >> Simon, do you know how well the Fourier markings survive through >> modifications by image sharing services? >> >> Regards, >> Sveinn í Felli >> >> Þann fös 12.maí 2017 12:38, skrifaði Louis A. Turk: >>> On 05/12/2017 07:05 PM, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>> Very interesting. Please comment this entry in bugzilla accordingly : >>>> >>>> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268981 >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> >>>> Gilles Caulier >>>> >>>> 2017-05-12 12:03 GMT+02:00 Simon Frei <[hidden email]>: >>>>> There is a G'MIC filter that embeds text in the fourier domain, it is >>>>> called "Fourier watermark" (and "Fourier analysis" to retrieve the >>>>> info): https://gmicol.greyc.fr/ >>>>> >>>>> On 12/05/17 11:35, Gilles Caulier wrote: >>>>>> You cannot. Invisble watermark use wavelets encoding methods which >>>>>> are >>>>>> patented in US and impossible as i know to code in open source... >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Gilles Caulier >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-05-12 10:42 GMT+02:00 Louis A. Turk >>>>>> <[hidden email]>: >>>>>>> How can I do invisible digital watermarking with digikam5 as >>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>> here: >>>>>>> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-dam.html#using-dam-copyright >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How can I do a regular watermark? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> drl >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Thank you Gilles and Simon. Hopefully, the impossible may be possible >>> after all. >>> >>> drl >>> >> > > |
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Fourier watermarking is highly susceptible to being destroyed during resize operations, as the image scale and frequencies all shift pretty heavily. Wavelets aren't patented per se, I think, but I still don't know that they are going to solve OP's question. If you want a truly invisible watermark, don't share the image. If you _must_ have something to "protect" you, then don't share the full resolution or raw file (you can always produce a higher resolution image or raw file to "prove" ownership. Alternatively, creatively add your watermark directly into the image somewhere that won't be easy to notice, but might survive further editing. Better still - maybe don't use a watermark at all? :) On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:29 AM Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote: Simon, -- https://patdavid.net GPG: 66D1 7CA6 8088 4874 946D 18BD 67C7 6219 89E9 57AC |
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On 05/13/2017 03:15 AM, Pat David wrote:
> Fourier watermarking is highly susceptible to being destroyed during > resize operations, as the image scale and frequencies all shift pretty > heavily. > > Wavelets aren't patented per se, I think, but I still don't know that > they are going to solve OP's question. > > If you want a truly invisible watermark, don't share the image. If you > _must_ have something to "protect" you, then don't share the full > resolution or raw file (you can always produce a higher resolution image > or raw file to "prove" ownership. > > Alternatively, creatively add your watermark directly into the image > somewhere that won't be easy to notice, but might survive further editing. > > Better still - maybe don't use a watermark at all? :) If this be the case, then it would be best to remove talk about watermarks from the documentation. Otherwise, users are led to believe Digikam5 can do something it actually can't. drl |
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