Incorrect thumbnails for *.CR2 Canon RAW files in the transfer window

[spade2008]

Hi,

Everything describing the problem is in the subject, but I can add that:
- digikam version is 0.9.3
- the camera is Canon 350D
- *.CR2 files are displayed, not as correct thumbnails, but as generic ones. I still can transfer them
- *.JPG files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the transfer window
- *.CR2 files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the albums window, once the transfer is done
- I tried to add "*.CR2" in the list of "RAW files" in "MIME types", because I thought that "*.cr2" that was already there was not enough, but the behaviour is not better.

Thanks

Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, spade2008 a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Everything describing the problem is in the subject, but I can add
> that: - digikam version is 0.9.3
> - the camera is Canon 350D
> - *.CR2 files are displayed, not as correct thumbnails, but as
> generic ones. I still can transfer them
> - *.JPG files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the transfer
> window - *.CR2 files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the
> albums window, once the transfer is done
> - I tried to add "*.CR2" in the list of "RAW files" in "MIME types",
> because I thought that "*.cr2" that was already there was not enough,
> but the behaviour is not better.

Hi,

I have the same with my EOS 5D, but it's OK with my EOS 400D since the
1.1.0 firmware. Before this version, this was the same, thumbnails were
not displayed.

The change in the 400D firmware that make the thumbnails display is :
> Changes in Version 1.1.0:
>   1. Adds support for the new Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) USB
> protocol.
>    Adds support for the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP), which has
> greater expandability than the Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) used
> for communication between the camera and the computer up to now.  


IMHO, there is absolutly no problem here : the PTP protocol used in
older Canon Camera does not allow to see thumbnails of raw files before
file transfer => that means, PTP does not allow to extract thumb from
metadata (that is where the thumbnail come from for RAW files : the
metadata)

Such functionnality is enabled by MTP support (or at least extended PTP
support), which the 350D or 5D have not.

Beware that this part of the transfer is managed by libgphoto, not
digikam directly. You should have the same "problem" with all programs
that use libgphoto for PTP transfers. But IMHO no bug here, only a
protocol limit.

Regards,
Guillaume

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Guillaume is right here. PTP or other protocols are driven by
libgphoto2 drivers. Results in thumbnails view depand of level of
thumbs extraction support implemented.

Note than Canon do not implement USB mass storage connection to
computer, like others camera maker (it's shame).

I recommend, if you can, to use a compact flash card reader. in this
case digiKam  use a customized driver is digiKam core which is abe to
show RAW files preview in all cases (thrue libkdcraw interface).

Best

Gilles Caulier

2008/7/14 Guillaume Castagnino <[hidden email]>:

> Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, spade2008 a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> Everything describing the problem is in the subject, but I can add
>> that: - digikam version is 0.9.3
>> - the camera is Canon 350D
>> - *.CR2 files are displayed, not as correct thumbnails, but as
>> generic ones. I still can transfer them
>> - *.JPG files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the transfer
>> window - *.CR2 files are correctly displayed as thumbnails in the
>> albums window, once the transfer is done
>> - I tried to add "*.CR2" in the list of "RAW files" in "MIME types",
>> because I thought that "*.cr2" that was already there was not enough,
>> but the behaviour is not better.
>
> Hi,
>
> I have the same with my EOS 5D, but it's OK with my EOS 400D since the
> 1.1.0 firmware. Before this version, this was the same, thumbnails were
> not displayed.
>
> The change in the 400D firmware that make the thumbnails display is :
>> Changes in Version 1.1.0:
>>   1. Adds support for the new Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) USB
>> protocol.
>>    Adds support for the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP), which has
>> greater expandability than the Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) used
>> for communication between the camera and the computer up to now.
>
>
> IMHO, there is absolutly no problem here : the PTP protocol used in
> older Canon Camera does not allow to see thumbnails of raw files before
> file transfer => that means, PTP does not allow to extract thumb from
> metadata (that is where the thumbnail come from for RAW files : the
> metadata)
>
> Such functionnality is enabled by MTP support (or at least extended PTP
> support), which the 350D or 5D have not.
>
> Beware that this part of the transfer is managed by libgphoto, not
> digikam directly. You should have the same "problem" with all programs
> that use libgphoto for PTP transfers. But IMHO no bug here, only a
> protocol limit.
>
> Regards,
> Guillaume
>
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[spade2008]

Thanks to both Guillaume and Gillesfor your quick answers.

I made the following tests:
- update the camera firmware from 1.0.2 to 1.0.3 (but the release is about minor improvements)
- update libgphoto2-2, libgphoto2-2-dev, libgphoto2-2-port0 from 2.4.0-7 to 2.4.1-1 (the most recent one in Debian unstable).
But as you expected, none of this updates improved the thumbnails display.

As Gilles advised, I tried to put my CF card into my card reader and the thumbnails are correctly displayed. It is a way to get what I want but it is not the most convenient one.

Then I tried to change the camera menu option "Communication" from "Print/PTP" to "PC connection". The camera is not detected at the first off/on sequence, but correctly at the 2nd one. It is automatically added in the "Camera" menu of Digikam as "Canon Digital Rebel XT (normal mode)".
Miracle ! the thumbnails are correctly displayed in the transfer window.

I remember that the "PC connection" option was the default one, but I switched to "Print/PTP" because the camera was never detected. Since this decision, many packages have been updated and maybe some of them (for example libgphoto) make the camera to be detected.

Thanks.

[Guillaume Castagnino-5]

Le mardi 15 juillet 2008, spade2008 a écrit :

> Then I tried to change the camera menu option "Communication" from
> "Print/PTP" to "PC connection". The camera is not detected at the
> first off/on sequence, but correctly at the 2nd one. It is
> automatically added in the "Camera" menu of Digikam as "Canon Digital
> Rebel XT (normal mode)". Miracle ! the thumbnails are correctly
> displayed in the transfer window.
>
> I remember that the "PC connection" option was the default one, but I
> switched to "Print/PTP" because the camera was never detected. Since
> this decision, many packages have been updated and maybe some of them
> (for example libgphoto) make the camera to be detected.

"PC connection" uses the Canon proprietary communication protocol
(reverse engineered), "Print/PTP" uses the PTP one (should be better
supported as it is standard).

libgphoto manage the two. You can notice that the product id of the
camera change when you switch the protocol (from
http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html) :
Canon EOS 350D
    0x04a9/0x30ef (PTP)
    0x04a9/0x30ee (canon)
CF II PTP (usb)
gphoto2/ptp (usb)
gphoto2/canon (usb)

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