Does no one ever want "custom order" in an album?

[Chris Green]

Yet again I have come up against this problem.  :-)   It really
surprises me that no one else seems to want to be able to do this sort
of thing (not just Digikam, I can't find anything else that does it
either).

I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).

*Surely* people want to be able to do this.  Currently in my case it's
simply because I have taken two sets of photographs of the same trip,
one lot in one direction and the other lot in the opposite direction.
I want to collate a set of pictures of the trip in 'geographic' order
from the best images selected from the two albums.  I can't find any
way of doing this apart from laboriously renaming each image as I
select it and even then if I change my mind I've got a horrible
re-ordering problem again.

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Op Tuesday 02 September 2008, schreef Chris G:
> Yet again I have come up against this problem.  :-)   It really
> surprises me that no one else seems to want to be able to do this sort
> of thing (not just Digikam, I can't find anything else that does it
> either).
There's a bug (feature request) open for this.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91562

>
> I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).
>
> *Surely* people want to be able to do this.  Currently in my case it's
> simply because I have taken two sets of photographs of the same trip,
> one lot in one direction and the other lot in the opposite direction.
> I want to collate a set of pictures of the trip in 'geographic' order
> from the best images selected from the two albums.  I can't find any
> way of doing this apart from laboriously renaming each image as I
> select it and even then if I change my mind I've got a horrible
> re-ordering problem again.

I know Imatch does it, but that is Windows only.. I obtained mixed results
under Wine, initially promising, but too unpredictable in the long run.

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[Chris Green]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:29:44PM +0200, Dennis Meulensteen wrote:
> Op Tuesday 02 September 2008, schreef Chris G:
> > Yet again I have come up against this problem.  :-)   It really
> > surprises me that no one else seems to want to be able to do this sort
> > of thing (not just Digikam, I can't find anything else that does it
> > either).
> There's a bug (feature request) open for this.
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91562
>
OK, thanks, I've added a "me too" to the bottom of that entry.  Is
there a 'voting' option in Bugzilla?

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[Sveinn í Felli]

Hi,

Chris G wrote:
>
> I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).

Does tagging the pictures not work your way ? In tag view
only the pics porting a specific tag are shown, then ordered
by either name/path/date/size/rating.

Best regards,

Sveinn í Felli

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[Chris Green]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:13:05PM +0000, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Chris G wrote:
> >
> > I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> > various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> > specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> > file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).
>
> Does tagging the pictures not work your way ? In tag view
> only the pics porting a specific tag are shown, then ordered
> by either name/path/date/size/rating.
>

So I tag some pictures with, say, "Long ride to Sudbourne" and then,
when I look at them they're not in the order I want, they're in
name/path/date/size/rating order.  I want the pictures to be in the
order *I* specify which may have no relation to anything 'logical'.

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Op Tuesday 02 September 2008, schreef Chris G:

> On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:13:05PM +0000, "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Chris G wrote:
> > > I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> > > various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> > > specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> > > file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).
> >
> > Does tagging the pictures not work your way ? In tag view
> > only the pics porting a specific tag are shown, then ordered
> > by either name/path/date/size/rating.
>
> So I tag some pictures with, say, "Long ride to Sudbourne" and then,
> when I look at them they're not in the order I want, they're in
> name/path/date/size/rating order.  I want the pictures to be in the
> order *I* specify which may have no relation to anything 'logical'.

Chris, I think what Arnd is trying to say is that this is not the way Digikam
was designed. To do it your way (and mine too!) Digikam would have to be
radically altered. I think this explains why nothing obvious has been done on
this wish list item for all these years now.
Everything in Digikam now revolves around so-called "albums" which (very
unfortunately IMHO) co-incide with file system folders. had the "albums" been
virtual or at least more abstract, this would have not been a problem.
Oh yeah, this post has got way too long: what I'm trying to say is I am afraid
we can kiss our wish goodbye for now...

Dennis

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> If "now" means "during the next couple of weeks, then yes
> (unless you start coding ..),
If you only knew how much I would like to have the time to do that! Nowadays
I'm lucky if I can find the time to compile Digikam from source...

> but I am optimistic that it will
> get implemented at some point...
The database changes you hint at sound promising. Let's hope it lowers the
threshold sufficiently for someone to take an interest in coding
this "albumless free sort" killer feature!

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Am Dienstag 02 September 2008 schrieb Arnd Baecker:

> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, [ISO-8859-1] "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Chris G wrote:
> > > I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> > > various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> > > specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> > > file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).
> >
> > Does tagging the pictures not work your way ? In tag view
> > only the pics porting a specific tag are shown, then ordered
> > by either name/path/date/size/rating.
>
> No, that is not enough: For slideshows (etc.) a custom ordering
> is needed. This ordering will be not chronologic, so
> sorting by date does not do the job.

Would it be possible to generate a playlist for slideshows (e.g. as
music-player uses), which can be saved? This would also allow to show one
picture more than one time (e.g. to show movements/differences (before,
after, before, after...)).

regards
Stefan

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Hi Stefan,

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Stefan Haag wrote:

> Am Dienstag 02 September 2008 schrieb Arnd Baecker:
> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, [ISO-8859-1] "Sveinn í Felli (IMAP)" wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Chris G wrote:
> > > > I want to select pictures randomly from various places (i.e. from
> > > > various different Digikam albums) and place them in a new album in a
> > > > specific order which has nothing to do with their dates, alphanumeric
> > > > file name or anything of that sort (no pun intended!).
> > >
> > > Does tagging the pictures not work your way ? In tag view
> > > only the pics porting a specific tag are shown, then ordered
> > > by either name/path/date/size/rating.
> >
> > No, that is not enough: For slideshows (etc.) a custom ordering
> > is needed. This ordering will be not chronologic, so
> > sorting by date does not do the job.
> Would it be possible to generate a playlist for slideshows (e.g. as
> music-player uses), which can be saved? This would also allow to show one
> picture more than one time (e.g. to show movements/differences (before,
> after, before, after...)).

Hmm, haven't thought about that use case ...

Using a playlist concept is another possible approach.

Could you please add a comment to:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91562

Thanks a lot, Arnd
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[Francesco Scaglioni-2]

Possibly silly simplistic answer (but it worked for me) :
what about just renaming them 001.jpg 002.jpg etc etc ?

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Op Wednesday 03 September 2008, schreef Francesco Scaglioni:
> Possibly silly simplistic answer (but it worked for me) :
> what about just renaming them 001.jpg 002.jpg etc etc ?

Although I like your KISS engineering approach, this would be far too tedious
to be practical for me.

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[Chris Green]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:16:29AM +0100, Francesco Scaglioni wrote:
> Possibly silly simplistic answer (but it worked for me) :
> what about just renaming them 001.jpg 002.jpg etc etc ?
>
That's OK until you need to put one in between.

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