Do you want to try digiKam on LiveUSB

[Rinus]

Hi readers,

Yesterday I gave it the try to guide people in this situation:
/*
Do you want to try digiKam and/or showFoto on Ubuntu but you are running
Windows have a look at this.
Supposed you are not planning to change to Linux, or to make a dual boot
system, you can have a virtual Ubuntu running digikam on your computer.
*/

Marie-Noëlle came up with this statement:
/*
You don't even need to install a virtual box. I explained how I had used
Digikam with a simple LiveUSB; in fact, you can bring your Digikam
everywhere with you and run it on any PC.
*/

As I do not like to advice to do something more complicated than
necessary I digged in to this ¨simple¨ solution, only to find out, at
the cost of a couple hours,  that this is realy not a simple matter.

As making a liveUSB is pritty simple, making a liveUSB running digikam
means you will have to make a customized liveUSB which seems not at all
to be simple.

First I came across this promising site:
http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/make-a-livecd-from-your-ubuntu-or-mint-system/
Here I was advised to add some software source and consequently install
remastersys.
This action broke my system, and further searching learned that this was
not an exception to me.

then I came across this:
It looks like you have to go through this 20 page tutorial:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
or if you prefer French
http://doc.fedora-fr.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9ation_de_Live_CD/DVD_et_de_Live_USB
you must be despered in need of this to go trough that.

jdd brougt this forward:
/*
you can build it on susestudio
http://susestudio.com/#login
*/

After a lot of clicking and searching I can neither see nor believe this
will ever turn out as a liveUSB with digiKam on it. If someone manages
to do so in a simple way, I would like to hear about.

Note:
Marie-Noelle stated that digikam probably will run smoother than from
VirtualBox, and this was confirmed by Vlado.

I would prefer to explore and discuss this matter here, so we can bring
the tread it came from back to focus.

Regards,
Rinus






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Le 02/09/2011 09:18, sleepless a écrit :

> jdd brougt this forward:
> /*
> you can build it on susestudio
> http://susestudio.com/#login
> */
>
> After a lot of clicking and searching I can neither see nor believe
> this will ever turn out as a liveUSB with digiKam on it. If someone
> manages to do so in a simple way, I would like to hear about.

susestudio is a web siter/appliance that allows anybody to create an
openSUSE fitted to he's needs.

you start from a basic install (or less basic), choose what you want
to add and the appliance build for you either a live cd/dvd, a live
usb stick, a VirtualBox virtual disk and more.

You can then share your result (or not), test it online, download it...

I already used it, it works great.

of course it needs some learning, but it's not really difficult
(choice is made in drop down lists)

you can login with any openID account. You have then immediate access
to the gallery part:

http://susegallery.com/browse

where are available all the already done appliances

this one include digikam:
http://susegallery.com/a/S2V5rc/shados-kde45-finetuned

notice that as far as I know, the live kde openSUSE include digikam...
http://software.opensuse.org/114/en

and it's an hybrid image, that is you can copy it to an usb key

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[tosca]

2011/9/2 sleepless <[hidden email]>:

>
> Marie-Noëlle came up with this statement:
> /*
> You don't even need to install a virtual box. I explained how I had used
> Digikam with a simple LiveUSB; in fact, you can bring your Digikam
> everywhere with you and run it on any PC.
> */
>
> As I do not like to advice to do something more complicated than necessary I
> digged in to this ¨simple¨ solution, only to find out, at the cost of a
> couple hours,  that this is realy not a simple matter.

....
>
> Note:
> Marie-Noelle stated that digikam probably will run smoother than from
> VirtualBox, and this was confirmed by Vlado.
>

I did investigate this solution because I had to provide a running
Digikam in quite a short time to several people using different
computers of every age/configuration. And it worked as it was intended
to do.

If I had to do this for myself, I will certainly go for the double
boot option, that gives you the best of each world.
And though I run Linux/Fedora almost 100% of the time, I'm "obliged"
to keep a double boot to use a proprietory application under Windows
(no satisfying equivalent for Linux ...)
In my case, I set up the default boot to Fedora; but for a regular
Windows user, Windows should be set up as the default boot.
With the most current Linux distros (Ubuntu, Fedora, just to name the
ones I've used) it's quite easy to install a double boot once you've a
LiveInstall (on CD, DVD or USB).. Then, you just have to install the
Digikam package provided by your distro.

My own 0.02 ...

Marie-Noëlle


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[Rinus]

Op 02-09-11 09:56, Marie-Noëlle Augendre schreef:

> 2011/9/2 sleepless<[hidden email]>:
>
>> Marie-Noëlle came up with this statement:
>> /*
>> You don't even need to install a virtual box. I explained how I had used
>> Digikam with a simple LiveUSB; in fact, you can bring your Digikam
>> everywhere with you and run it on any PC.
>> */
>>
>> As I do not like to advice to do something more complicated than necessary I
>> digged in to this ¨simple¨ solution, only to find out, at the cost of a
>> couple hours,  that this is realy not a simple matter.
> ....
>> Note:
>> Marie-Noelle stated that digikam probably will run smoother than from
>> VirtualBox, and this was confirmed by Vlado.
>>
> I did investigate this solution because I had to provide a running
> Digikam in quite a short time to several people using different
> computers of every age/configuration. And it worked as it was intended
> to do.
>
> If I had to do this for myself, I will certainly go for the double
> boot option, that gives you the best of each world.
> And though I run Linux/Fedora almost 100% of the time, I'm "obliged"
> to keep a double boot to use a proprietory application under Windows
> (no satisfying equivalent for Linux ...)
> In my case, I set up the default boot to Fedora; but for a regular
> Windows user, Windows should be set up as the default boot.
> With the most current Linux distros (Ubuntu, Fedora, just to name the
> ones I've used) it's quite easy to install a double boot once you've a
> LiveInstall (on CD, DVD or USB).. Then, you just have to install the
> Digikam package provided by your distro.
>
> My own 0.02 ...
>
> Marie-Noëlle
>
>

I am the same situation, still obliged by propriety apps to keep windows
on the system.
I agree that the dual boot is the best option, and very easy to do.
I set up the tread about VirtualBox just for people who do not want or
dare to do so.

Regards,
Rinus
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[Rinus]

Op 02-09-11 09:52, jdd schreef:

> Le 02/09/2011 09:18, sleepless a écrit :
>
>> jdd brougt this forward:
>> /*
>> you can build it on susestudio
>> http://susestudio.com/#login
>> */
>>
>> After a lot of clicking and searching I can neither see nor believe
>> this will ever turn out as a liveUSB with digiKam on it. If someone
>> manages to do so in a simple way, I would like to hear about.
>
> susestudio is a web siter/appliance that allows anybody to create an
> openSUSE fitted to he's needs.
>
> you start from a basic install (or less basic), choose what you want
> to add and the appliance build for you either a live cd/dvd, a live
> usb stick, a VirtualBox virtual disk and more.
>
> You can then share your result (or not), test it online, download it...
>
> I already used it, it works great.
>
> of course it needs some learning, but it's not really difficult
> (choice is made in drop down lists)
>
> you can login with any openID account. You have then immediate access
> to the gallery part:
>
> http://susegallery.com/browse
>
> where are available all the already done appliances
>
> this one include digikam:
> http://susegallery.com/a/S2V5rc/shados-kde45-finetuned
>
> notice that as far as I know, the live kde openSUSE include digikam...
> http://software.opensuse.org/114/en
>
> and it's an hybrid image, that is you can copy it to an usb key
>
> jdd

This message is helpful, it will bring me further then last time, I
suppose. Will try again next week or so.
Thanks,
Rinus

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[Vlado Plaga]

Am Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:24:03 +0200
schrieb sleepless <[hidden email]>:

> I agree that the dual boot is the best option, and very easy to do.

I also agree to this.

> I set up the tread about VirtualBox just for people who do not want or dare to do so.

Maybe someone finds it useful.

You can, by the way, also 'install' software packages when running a
(K)Ubuntu live system from CD. This works in RAM through some file
system magic. On LiveUSB this should also be possible, and it would be
an easy way to see digiKam running in a Linux that actually runs on your
computer - not just in VirtualBox.

Anyone who wants to try it can get a CD image with most of the required
libraries (kdegraphics4 etc) already installed on: http://kubuntu.org/

Rinus, in one of your mails from yesterday you ask if I had the
"hardware virtual flag" activated in the BIOS. I think I had to
activate it, so I could run a 64 bit Windows 7 in VirtualBox.
VirtualBox certainly is a nice product (also available in the Ubuntu
package repository), and I use it so I don't have to dual-boot much at
all: Linux gets full access to the system and if I really need M$
Windows it stays locked inside this box (with snapshots and all). I
don't run digiKam inside it, though, so this is already slightly
off-topic for the digikam-users list. Probably most of the speed
decline I notice comes from the lack of RAM and of hardware
acceleration for the Windows in VirtualBox. It's ok to run Internet
Explorer in it, but I suppose digiKam would not run as well as it does
in an operating system running directly on the computer.

Regards,
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[Rinus]

Op 02-09-11 16:32, Vlado Plaga schreef:
> Am Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:24:03 +0200
> schrieb sleepless<[hidden email]>:
>
>> I agree that the dual boot is the best option, and very easy to do.
> I also agree to this.
>
>> I set up the tread about VirtualBox just for people who do not want or dare to do so.
> Maybe someone finds it useful.
Not maybe, someone asked for help on the subject, widely ignored. That
is one of the best reasons to share knowledge and experience.
Why should we all have to crawl through the mud all the way, like I had
to do?
Rinus

> You can, by the way, also 'install' software packages when running a
> (K)Ubuntu live system from CD. This works in RAM through some file
> system magic. On LiveUSB this should also be possible, and it would be
> an easy way to see digiKam running in a Linux that actually runs on your
> computer - not just in VirtualBox.
>
> Anyone who wants to try it can get a CD image with most of the required
> libraries (kdegraphics4 etc) already installed on: http://kubuntu.org/
>
> Rinus, in one of your mails from yesterday you ask if I had the
> "hardware virtual flag" activated in the BIOS. I think I had to
> activate it, so I could run a 64 bit Windows 7 in VirtualBox.
> VirtualBox certainly is a nice product (also available in the Ubuntu
> package repository), and I use it so I don't have to dual-boot much at
> all: Linux gets full access to the system and if I really need M$
> Windows it stays locked inside this box (with snapshots and all). I
> don't run digiKam inside it, though, so this is already slightly
> off-topic for the digikam-users list. Probably most of the speed
> decline I notice comes from the lack of RAM and of hardware
> acceleration for the Windows in VirtualBox. It's ok to run Internet
> Explorer in it, but I suppose digiKam would not run as well as it does
> in an operating system running directly on the computer.
>
> Regards,
> Vlado
>

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[Photonoxx]

Le Fri, 02 Sep 2011 10:24:03 +0200, sleepless <[hidden email]>  
a écrit:

> I am the same situation, still obliged by propriety apps to keep windows  
> on the system.
> I agree that the dual boot is the best option, and very easy to do.
> I set up the tread about VirtualBox just for people who do not want or  
> dare to do so.
>
> Regards,
> Rinus

Personally, in some case, Virtualbox is more convenient than Dual Boot. In  
fact, in all case where Virtualbox stays acceptable.

The only case I know where Virtualbox performances are not enough  
acceptable is game, because it need real-time performances. The only use I  
have of Virtualbox, is to run CaptureNX 2 (Nikon's raw treatment software)  
and my computer (Athlon x2 5600+ + 4Go RAM) is still usable even if  
performances are not on the top and give the advantage to allow to work  
with digikam without having to reboot when I use CaptureNX.

I recently buy a SATA disk external dock, and I think about externalize my  
boot Hard drives (or just keep my default linux install internally and all  
other OS externally) and just keep a data one in the machine. This way, I  
just have to put the right HD in the dock, and I boot on the chosen OS...

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