Digikam withoout KDE - questions

[Chris Green]

I'm running (or at least learning) Digikam on a Slackware 11 system
in the fvwm window manager.  I have, of course, got all the KDE
libraries installed otherwise Digikam wouldn't work at all.

However I seem to have a couple of issues which may be due to running
it outside KDE and I'd appreciate some help in resolving them.

    I can't get the right sidebar tabs to open, they're sitting there
    down the RHS of the window but no combination of clicks on them
    makes them pop up.  How can I get to the contents of the right
    sidebar tabs?

    How do I tell if the kipi plugins are installed?  I don't seem to
    have 'Rotate' available in the right button menu of images.

    Can I get a display with no frames at all around the thumbnails?

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[Fabien-5]

Hello,

[hidden email] wrote:
> I'm running (or at least learning) Digikam on a Slackware 11 system
> in the fvwm window manager.  I have, of course, got all the KDE
> libraries installed otherwise Digikam wouldn't work at all.
>
> However I seem to have a couple of issues which may be due to running
> it outside KDE and I'd appreciate some help in resolving them.

I encourage you to read the FAQ where I added some entries about that :
http://www.digikam.org/?q=faq/digikam

>     I can't get the right sidebar tabs to open, they're sitting there
>     down the RHS of the window but no combination of clicks on them
>     makes them pop up.  How can I get to the contents of the right
>     sidebar tabs?

If you try twice to click in one tab on the right (eg metadata), you
should see at least a "slider" to change the size of the sidebar, just
on the right on the scroll bar.
Maybe it's the problem...

>     How do I tell if the kipi plugins are installed?  I don't seem to
>     have 'Rotate' available in the right button menu of images.

Check settings/configure digikam/{Imageplugins, Kipi-Plugins}.

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[Chris Green]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:59:12PM +0100, Fabien wrote:

> Hello,
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > I'm running (or at least learning) Digikam on a Slackware 11 system
> > in the fvwm window manager.  I have, of course, got all the KDE
> > libraries installed otherwise Digikam wouldn't work at all.
> >
> > However I seem to have a couple of issues which may be due to running
> > it outside KDE and I'd appreciate some help in resolving them.
>
> I encourage you to read the FAQ where I added some entries about that :
> http://www.digikam.org/?q=faq/digikam
>

I'm not quite sure exactly which FAQ entries you mean but I have read
most/many of the FAQs.

> >     I can't get the right sidebar tabs to open, they're sitting there
> >     down the RHS of the window but no combination of clicks on them
> >     makes them pop up.  How can I get to the contents of the right
> >     sidebar tabs?
>
> If you try twice to click in one tab on the right (eg metadata), you
> should see at least a "slider" to change the size of the sidebar, just
> on the right on the scroll bar.
> Maybe it's the problem...
>

I think I was just being clumsy or something, the right sidebar
appeared OK after I'd clicked about a bit!  :-)


> >     How do I tell if the kipi plugins are installed?  I don't seem to
> >     have 'Rotate' available in the right button menu of images.
>
> Check settings/configure digikam/{Imageplugins, Kipi-Plugins}.
>
I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
menu that appears.

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
> I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
> JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
> pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
> menu that appears.

This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is a
query ask by digiKam users.

The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.

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[Chris Green]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:23:01PM +0100, Caulier Gilles wrote:

> Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
> > I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
> > JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
> > pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
> > menu that appears.
>
> This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is a
> query ask by digiKam users.
>
> The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
>

That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
thumbnail while looking at that view.  Also I can't find a Rotate in
the Image menu, what's there is the "Correct Exif Orientation Tag",
the Rotate is only in the Transform menu of the Image Editor.

So, to rotate an image one has to open it up in the Image Editor and
then rotate it there.  The documentation says there's an easier way by
right clicking on the thumbnail, are you really saying this has been
removed?

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Caulier Gilles wrote:

> Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
>> I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
>> JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
>> pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
>> menu that appears.
>
> This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is
> a query ask by digiKam users.

Really?  That's a shame.  Personally, I always found RMB->Rotate to be
extremely handy.

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:47, [hidden email] a écrit :

> On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:23:01PM +0100, Caulier Gilles wrote:
> > Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
> > > I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
> > > JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
> > > pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
> > > menu that appears.
> >
> > This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is
> > a query ask by digiKam users.
> >
> > The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
>
> That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
> thumbnail while looking at that view.  

This is the experience of digiKam users, reported like a wishes on bugzilla
with a popular vote... digiKam try to respect the users choises when if
possible, especially about usability. Provide a clean interface is a
priority. We _won't_ reproduce the "usine à gaz" gimp interface here.

There is another file in bugzilla to personalize indeep the thumbs context
menu. Take a look and vote...

> Also I can't find a Rotate in
> the Image menu, what's there is the "Correct Exif Orientation Tag",
> the Rotate is only in the Transform menu of the Image Editor.

no, the option must be avaialble if the jpeglossless kipi-plugin is properlly
installed and loaded at startup. start digiKam on a console and look if you
have something like that :

KIPI (loading): Plugin_JPEGLossless plugin loaded
KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: Loaded plugin JPEGLossless

If no, check your digiKam installation and read the README file before to
compile and install using source code.

If you have used, a package, report the problem on packager. We are
developpers, not packagers...

>
> So, to rotate an image one has to open it up in the Image Editor and
> then rotate it there.  The documentation says there's an easier way by
> right clicking on the thumbnail

The documentation is not yet updated completly... I'm currently working on,
but i can't do at all...

> , are you really saying this has been
> removed?

Yes. I'm sure. I'm a developper from digiKam team... I have fixed _personnaly_
this point on the implementation...

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[David Aldred-2]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 20:23, Caulier Gilles wrote:
> Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
> > I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including KIPI
> > JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't rotate
> > pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option in the
> > menu that appears.
>
> This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is a
> query ask by digiKam users.

So how do those of us for whom this breaks Digikam badly (and potentially thus
breaks Linux, unless a sufficiently strong alternative to Digikam has emerged
since I was last looking) get it put back in?

And how many Digikam users asked for it to be removed, compared with those who
use it regularly and didn't know there was any intention to remove something
so vital to our use of the software?

At least half of the images I download from my camera need rotation.  Select
them all in the album view, right-click and 'rotate' and it's a quick job to
set up - for (say) 30 images that's 32 clicks.

Opening each in the image editor, right-click to rotate, then clicking to
confirm a save each time is going to take far too long.  It's 120 clicks for
that same 30 images (right-click menu, rotate, next image, confirm save) ,
and each one has to be loaded into the image editor before the rotation can
start.  Surely you can't mean to make Digikam so user-hostile.

Make it a configurable option if you like for people who only ever take
pictures in one orientation, but for the rest of us please leave it in.

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[David Aldred-2]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 20:23, Caulier Gilles wrote:
> This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This is a
> query ask by digiKam users.

..and can you give us a link to the bug report where this was requested?  

The bugzilla link on the Digikam contact page is broken, and I've searched
bugs.kde.org back through the whole of this year without any reference to a
request to remove the functionality.

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 22:03, Caulier Gilles(UNTRUSTED, sender is
<digikam-users-bounces-+caulier.gilles=[hidden email]>) wrote:

> Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:47, [hidden email] a écrit :
> > On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 09:23:01PM +0100, Caulier Gilles wrote:
> > > Le mardi 5 décembre 2006 21:20, [hidden email] a écrit :
> > > > I have ImagePlugin_Core in Imageplugins and 16 plugins (including
> > > > KIPI JPEG lossless plugin) in KIPI Plugins.  However I still can't
> > > > rotate pictures by right clicking on them, there's no Rotate option
> > > > in the menu that appears.
> > >
> > > This option have been removed for context menu to reduce entries. This
> > > is a query ask by digiKam users.
> > >
> > > The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
> >
> > That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
> > thumbnail while looking at that view.

My apologies. I'm talking about all "Batch" kipi-plugins menu entries witch
have been really removed from the context menu... excepted the Rotate of
course (:=))). Look here :

http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-rc2.png

... This is very confusing for me, because JPEGLossLess is also a batch
tool... To be honest, i just need a big coffee or long hollidays to sleep
(:=)))

>
> This is the experience of digiKam users, reported like a wishes on bugzilla
> with a popular vote... digiKam try to respect the users choises when if
> possible, especially about usability. Provide a clean interface is a
> priority. We _won't_ reproduce the "usine à gaz" gimp interface here.

This is always true. We need to take a care to not put all batch options in
this menu.

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[Chris Green]

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 10:03:53PM +0100, Caulier Gilles wrote:

> > Also I can't find a Rotate in
> > the Image menu, what's there is the "Correct Exif Orientation Tag",
> > the Rotate is only in the Transform menu of the Image Editor.
>
> no, the option must be avaialble if the jpeglossless kipi-plugin is properlly
> installed and loaded at startup. start digiKam on a console and look if you
> have something like that :
>
> KIPI (loading): Plugin_JPEGLossless plugin loaded
> KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: Loaded plugin JPEGLossless
>

Yes, that's there when I start digikam but I don't have the rotate
ability in the Image menu.

>
> >
> > So, to rotate an image one has to open it up in the Image Editor and
> > then rotate it there.  The documentation says there's an easier way by
> > right clicking on the thumbnail
>
> The documentation is not yet updated completly... I'm currently working on,
> but i can't do at all...
>
OK, no problem, I can appreciate that the documentation sometimes lags
behind the code.


> > , are you really saying this has been
> > removed?
>
> Yes. I'm sure. I'm a developper from digiKam team... I have fixed _personnaly_
> this point on the implementation...
>
OK!  :-)

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[Chris Green]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:55:49AM +0100, Gilles Caulier wrote:

> > > > The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
> > >
> > > That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
> > > thumbnail while looking at that view.
>
> My apologies. I'm talking about all "Batch" kipi-plugins menu entries witch
> have been really removed from the context menu... excepted the Rotate of
> course (:=))). Look here :
>
> http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-rc2.png
>

Yes, this is what I'm *not* seeing even though the JPEGLossLess plugin
appears to be installed correctly.

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[Duncan Hill-5]

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:05, [hidden email] wrote:

> Yes, this is what I'm *not* seeing even though the JPEGLossLess plugin
> appears to be installed correctly.

Hmm, I've just recompiled from SVN, and I'm seeing the menu item.

digikam: ScanLib: Finding non-existing Albums: 32 ms
digikam: ScanLib: Finding items not in the database or disk: 2816 ms
digikam: ScanLib: Updating items without date: 20 ms
digikam: ICC profiles repository is: ICC
digikam: Found dcraw version: 8.41
KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: plugin KameraKlient is in the ignore list
for host application
KIPI (loading): Plugin_JPEGLossless plugin loaded
KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: Loaded plugin JPEGLossless
.
.
.
digikam: ImagePlugin_Charcoal plugin loaded
digikam: ImagePluginLoader: Loaded plugin ImagePlugin_Charcoal
digikam: Found JPEGLossless plugin
digikam: Scanning ICC profiles from user repository: /home/dhill/ICC
digikam: ICC file: /home/dhill/ICC/DYNAX 5D_rprof.icc ==> Input device class
(1935896178)

I've probably missed it - are you using SVN or tarball?
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[Chris Green]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 09:25:23AM +0000, Duncan Hill wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:05, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> > Yes, this is what I'm *not* seeing even though the JPEGLossLess plugin
> > appears to be installed correctly.
>
> Hmm, I've just recompiled from SVN, and I'm seeing the menu item.
>
> digikam: ScanLib: Finding non-existing Albums: 32 ms
> digikam: ScanLib: Finding items not in the database or disk: 2816 ms
> digikam: ScanLib: Updating items without date: 20 ms
> digikam: ICC profiles repository is: ICC
> digikam: Found dcraw version: 8.41
> KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: plugin KameraKlient is in the ignore list
> for host application
> KIPI (loading): Plugin_JPEGLossless plugin loaded
> KIPI (loading): KIPI::PluginLoader: Loaded plugin JPEGLossless
> .
> .
> .
> digikam: ImagePlugin_Charcoal plugin loaded
> digikam: ImagePluginLoader: Loaded plugin ImagePlugin_Charcoal
> digikam: Found JPEGLossless plugin
> digikam: Scanning ICC profiles from user repository: /home/dhill/ICC
> digikam: ICC file: /home/dhill/ICC/DYNAX 5D_rprof.icc ==> Input device class
> (1935896178)
>
> I've probably missed it - are you using SVN or tarball?

See the message I've just posted about missing libkexif.so.1, I though
Plugin_JPEGLossless was being loaded correctly but it wasn't.

I have installed from Slackware packages from http://www.linuxpackages.net/
and have the following:-

    digikam-0.9.0_beta3-i486-1asz.tgz  libgphoto2-2.2.1-i486-1asz.tgz
    exiv2-0.11-i486-1asz.tgz           libkipi-0.1.4-i486-1mht.tgz
    kipi-plugins-0.1.2-i486-1mht.tgz   sqlite3-3.3.8-i486-1kjz.tgz

It looks like one of these should have libkexif.so.1 in it but hasn't.

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[Fabien-5]

Hi,

[hidden email] wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:55:49AM +0100, Gilles Caulier wrote:
>
>>>>>The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
>>>>
>>>>That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
>>>>thumbnail while looking at that view.
>>
>>My apologies. I'm talking about all "Batch" kipi-plugins menu entries witch
>>have been really removed from the context menu... excepted the Rotate of
>>course (:=))). Look here :
>>http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-rc2.png

Ok, fine :) I was curious about all this thread because I always see
this menu in my digikam ;-)

> Yes, this is what I'm *not* seeing even though the JPEGLossLess plugin
> appears to be installed correctly.

You never told us which version you are using...
Could you give us more details ?

Check also your ~/.kde/share/config/digikamrc

around [KIPI/EnabledPlugin]

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[Duncan Hill-5]

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:31, [hidden email] wrote:

> I have installed from Slackware packages from http://www.linuxpackages.net/
> and have the following:-
>
>     digikam-0.9.0_beta3-i486-1asz.tgz  libgphoto2-2.2.1-i486-1asz.tgz
>     exiv2-0.11-i486-1asz.tgz           libkipi-0.1.4-i486-1mht.tgz
>     kipi-plugins-0.1.2-i486-1mht.tgz   sqlite3-3.3.8-i486-1kjz.tgz
>
> It looks like one of these should have libkexif.so.1 in it but hasn't.

libkexif would be a separate package.. however, I'd swear I just saw a
changelog entry that said digiKam as of rc1 or rc2 removed the kexif
dependency.

Ah, here it is:
http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/198

Addresses jpeglossless directly.
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[Gilles Caulier-2]

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:37, Duncan Hill wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> > I have installed from Slackware packages from
> > http://www.linuxpackages.net/ and have the following:-
> >
> >     digikam-0.9.0_beta3-i486-1asz.tgz  libgphoto2-2.2.1-i486-1asz.tgz
> >     exiv2-0.11-i486-1asz.tgz           libkipi-0.1.4-i486-1mht.tgz
> >     kipi-plugins-0.1.2-i486-1mht.tgz   sqlite3-3.3.8-i486-1kjz.tgz
> >
> > It looks like one of these should have libkexif.so.1 in it but hasn't.
>
> libkexif would be a separate package.. however, I'd swear I just saw a
> changelog entry that said digiKam as of rc1 or rc2 removed the kexif
> dependency.
>
> Ah, here it is:
> http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/198

yes, but the old JPEGLossLess plugin still use libkexif. Only current
implementation of kipi-plugins (0.1.3) use Exiv2 instead.

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On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Gilles Caulier wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:37, Duncan Hill wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> > > I have installed from Slackware packages from
> > > http://www.linuxpackages.net/ and have the following:-
> > >
> > >     digikam-0.9.0_beta3-i486-1asz.tgz  libgphoto2-2.2.1-i486-1asz.tgz
> > >     exiv2-0.11-i486-1asz.tgz           libkipi-0.1.4-i486-1mht.tgz
> > >     kipi-plugins-0.1.2-i486-1mht.tgz   sqlite3-3.3.8-i486-1kjz.tgz
> > >
> > > It looks like one of these should have libkexif.so.1 in it but hasn't.
> >
> > libkexif would be a separate package.. however, I'd swear I just saw a
> > changelog entry that said digiKam as of rc1 or rc2 removed the kexif
> > dependency.
> >
> > Ah, here it is:
> > http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/198
>
> yes, but the old JPEGLossLess plugin still use libkexif. Only current
> implementation of kipi-plugins (0.1.3) use Exiv2 instead.
>

Ah, so if I was on the "bleeding edge" I wouldn't have needed
libkexif.

Whatever, I think I'll stay where I am for the moment until the next
major Digikam release.

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:50, [hidden email] wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:33:44AM +0100, Gilles Caulier wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 10:37, Duncan Hill wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 06 December 2006 09:31, [hidden email] wrote:
> > > > I have installed from Slackware packages from
> > > > http://www.linuxpackages.net/ and have the following:-
> > > >
> > > >     digikam-0.9.0_beta3-i486-1asz.tgz  libgphoto2-2.2.1-i486-1asz.tgz
> > > >     exiv2-0.11-i486-1asz.tgz           libkipi-0.1.4-i486-1mht.tgz
> > > >     kipi-plugins-0.1.2-i486-1mht.tgz   sqlite3-3.3.8-i486-1kjz.tgz
> > > >
> > > > It looks like one of these should have libkexif.so.1 in it but
> > > > hasn't.
> > >
> > > libkexif would be a separate package.. however, I'd swear I just saw a
> > > changelog entry that said digiKam as of rc1 or rc2 removed the kexif
> > > dependency.
> > >
> > > Ah, here it is:
> > > http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/198
> >
> > yes, but the old JPEGLossLess plugin still use libkexif. Only current
> > implementation of kipi-plugins (0.1.3) use Exiv2 instead.
>
> Ah, so if I was on the "bleeding edge" I wouldn't have needed
> libkexif.
>
> Whatever, I think I'll stay where I am for the moment until the next
> major Digikam release.

But you can test the new kipi-plugins 0.1.3-beta1) release witch don't use
libkexif and add 3 new plugins and a lots of improvements :

http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/198

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[Chris Green]

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 10:37:35AM +0100, Fabien wrote:

> Hi,
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 08:55:49AM +0100, Gilles Caulier wrote:
> >
> >>>>>The option is always avaialble on "Image" menu of Album GUI.
> >>>>
> >>>>That makes rotating images very clumsy though, one wants to rotate the
> >>>>thumbnail while looking at that view.
> >>
> >>My apologies. I'm talking about all "Batch" kipi-plugins menu entries witch
> >>have been really removed from the context menu... excepted the Rotate of
> >>course (:=))). Look here :
> >>http://digikam3rdparty.free.fr/Screenshots/digikam0.9.0-rc2.png
>
> Ok, fine :) I was curious about all this thread because I always see
> this menu in my digikam ;-)
>
> > Yes, this is what I'm *not* seeing even though the JPEGLossLess plugin
> > appears to be installed correctly.
>
> You never told us which version you are using...
> Could you give us more details ?
>
> Check also your ~/.kde/share/config/digikamrc
>
> around [KIPI/EnabledPlugin]
>

All sorted now, see the libkexif thread.   :-)

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