[Digikam-devel] browsing pictures with keyboard

[Fabien-5]

Hi,

I noticed something weird when trying the latest svn version, but before
reporting a bug, I'd like to be sure it's reproductible as I can only
test it remotely (X11 forwarding thru ssh).

This is what I have :

- start digiKam and go in an album
- using arrow keys, you can browse the different pictures (up/down,
right/left), you can also switch to previous/next using PageUp/PageDown
fine !

- now, press enter to preview the picture
- then, press escape to go backup to the thumbnail view
- while you can still switch to previous or next using PageUp/PageDown,
arrows don't work anymore unless you click on a picture, and pressing
Enter doesn't do anything either...


Can someone else reproduce this problem ?

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

Le mardi 6 février 2007 12:11, Fabien a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> I noticed something weird when trying the latest svn version, but before
> reporting a bug, I'd like to be sure it's reproductible as I can only
> test it remotely (X11 forwarding thru ssh).
>
> This is what I have :
>
> - start digiKam and go in an album
> - using arrow keys, you can browse the different pictures (up/down,
> right/left), you can also switch to previous/next using PageUp/PageDown
> fine !
>
> - now, press enter to preview the picture
> - then, press escape to go backup to the thumbnail view
> - while you can still switch to previous or next using PageUp/PageDown,
> arrows don't work anymore unless you click on a picture, and pressing
> Enter doesn't do anything either...
>
>
> Can someone else reproduce this problem ?

Hi Fabien,

Checkout svn and try again (:=)))...

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[Gerhard Kulzer]

Am Tuesday 06 February 2007 schrieb Caulier Gilles:

> Le mardi 6 février 2007 12:11, Fabien a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed something weird when trying the latest svn version, but before
> > reporting a bug, I'd like to be sure it's reproductible as I can only
> > test it remotely (X11 forwarding thru ssh).
> >
> > This is what I have :
> >
> > - start digiKam and go in an album
> > - using arrow keys, you can browse the different pictures (up/down,
> > right/left), you can also switch to previous/next using PageUp/PageDown
> > fine !
> >
> > - now, press enter to preview the picture
> > - then, press escape to go backup to the thumbnail view
> > - while you can still switch to previous or next using PageUp/PageDown,
> > arrows don't work anymore unless you click on a picture, and pressing
> > Enter doesn't do anything either...
> >
> >
> > Can someone else reproduce this problem ?
>
> Hi Fabien,
>
> Checkout svn and try again (:=)))...

It's gone :-)


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[Fabien-5]

Great, thanks !

Caulier Gilles wrote:

> Le mardi 6 février 2007 12:11, Fabien a écrit :
>>
>>This is what I have :
>>
>>- start digiKam and go in an album
>>- using arrow keys, you can browse the different pictures (up/down,
>>right/left), you can also switch to previous/next using PageUp/PageDown
>>fine !
>>
>>- now, press enter to preview the picture
>>- then, press escape to go backup to the thumbnail view
>>- while you can still switch to previous or next using PageUp/PageDown,
>>arrows don't work anymore unless you click on a picture, and pressing
>>Enter doesn't do anything either...
>>
>>
>>Can someone else reproduce this problem ?
>
> Checkout svn and try again (:=)))...

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Hi Caulier,

Caulier Gilles wrote:
> Checkout svn and try again (:=)))...

Great, that problem is solved.
Speaking of keyboard navigation in the album view, I have three
issues/wishes, maybe they are solvable as easy?

- Selecting multiple pictures with "Ctrl + (move around) + Space" (like you
would do in Konqueror with files).
Ctrl will let you move around, while keeping one picture selected, but it's
not possible to select another picture. If you want multiple neighbouring
pictures, it is possible to use "Shift + Arrowkeys" though.

- Popping up the right click menu with that popup menu key between the
right "Alt" and "Ctrl", as it works in many KDE programs.

- If you hit "Enter" to preview a picture, it would be very handy if you
could also go back to the album view with "Enter". Right now that
needs "Escape", which requires your second hand.

Thanks,
Frank

PS: 0.9.1 is looking really good already, and I can't wait to have some free
time and do some small codings. :)

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[Gilles Caulier-2]

Le mardi 6 février 2007 23:40, Frank Siegert a écrit :
> - If you hit "Enter" to preview a picture, it would be very handy if you
> could also go back to the album view with "Enter". Right now that
> needs "Escape", which requires your second hand.

You go to Preveiw mode using F3 key. You can go out using :

- F3 again
- ESC

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Hi Gilles,

Caulier Gilles wrote:
> Le mardi 6 février 2007 23:40, Frank Siegert a écrit :
>> - If you hit "Enter" to preview a picture, it would be very handy if you
>> could also go back to the album view with "Enter". Right now that
>> needs "Escape", which requires your second hand.
>
> You go to Preveiw mode using F3 key. You can go out using :
>
> - F3 again
> - ESC

I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by hitting
<Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus it is not
really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is also out of reach
if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview mode,
why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to me. What
do others think?

And what about the other two points, let me repeat them:

> - Selecting multiple pictures with "Ctrl + (move around) + Space" (like
> you would do in Konqueror with files).
> Ctrl will let you move around, while keeping one picture selected, but
> it's not possible to select another picture. Only if you want multiple
> *neighbouring* pictures, it is possible to use "Shift + Arrowkeys" though.
>
> - Popping up the right click menu with that popup menu key between the
> right "Alt" and "Ctrl", as it works in many KDE programs.

Are these fixable, or does it involve too much work?

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[Marcel Wiesweg]

Am Sonntag 11 Februar 2007 14:26 schrieb Frank Siegert:

> Hi Gilles,
>
> Caulier Gilles wrote:
> > Le mardi 6 février 2007 23:40, Frank Siegert a écrit :
> >> - If you hit "Enter" to preview a picture, it would be very handy if you
> >> could also go back to the album view with "Enter". Right now that
> >> needs "Escape", which requires your second hand.
> >
> > You go to Preveiw mode using F3 key. You can go out using :
> >
> > - F3 again
> > - ESC
>
> I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by
> hitting <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus it
> is not really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is also out
> of reach if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview mode,
> why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to me. What
> do others think?

I would support the idea to go back on mouse click, and I don't mind to do it
on <Enter> as well.
Currently when navigating with the mouse only, I have to go a long way and
find the tiny toolbar icon. But I dont know if user generally expect to go
back to icon view on a mouse click.

>
> And what about the other two points, let me repeat them:
> > - Selecting multiple pictures with "Ctrl + (move around) + Space" (like
> > you would do in Konqueror with files).
> > Ctrl will let you move around, while keeping one picture selected, but
> > it's not possible to select another picture. Only if you want multiple
> > *neighbouring* pictures, it is possible to use "Shift + Arrowkeys"
> > though.
> >
> > - Popping up the right click menu with that popup menu key between the
> > right "Alt" and "Ctrl", as it works in many KDE programs.
>
> Are these fixable, or does it involve too much work?

I have implemented this on my machine, but not yet commited because of ongoing
work packaging beta1.
Key_Space is also used as an accelerator key for "next picture", and this
seems to filter out Shift+Space as well. I am currently not sure if the
global shortcut is good or not

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Marcel Wiesweg wrote:
> I would support the idea to go back on mouse click, and I don't mind to do
> it on <Enter> as well.
> Currently when navigating with the mouse only, I have to go a long way and
> find the tiny toolbar icon. But I dont know if user generally expect to go
> back to icon view on a mouse click.

I think they might not expect it, but discover it easily, and then either
like it and use it, or leave it alone. So it doesn't hurt anybody? And I do
know of some galleries, where if you click on the thumbnail you go to the
picture, and if you click on the picture, you go back to the thumbnails.

>> And what about the other two points, let me repeat them:
>> > - Selecting multiple pictures with "Ctrl + (move around) + Space" (like
>> > you would do in Konqueror with files).
>> > Ctrl will let you move around, while keeping one picture selected, but
>> > it's not possible to select another picture. Only if you want multiple
>> > *neighbouring* pictures, it is possible to use "Shift + Arrowkeys"
>> > though.
>> >
>> > - Popping up the right click menu with that popup menu key between the
>> > right "Alt" and "Ctrl", as it works in many KDE programs.
>
> I have implemented this on my machine, but not yet commited because of
> ongoing work packaging beta1.
> Key_Space is also used as an accelerator key for "next picture", and this
> seems to filter out Shift+Space as well. I am currently not sure if the
> global shortcut is good or not

I don't exactly understand, which part that refers to. If for selecting
multiple pictures: I was talking about <Ctrl>+<Space>, which isn't taken by
anything yet, right?

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[F.J.Cruz-2]

El Domingo, 11 de Febrero de 2007, Marcel Wiesweg escribió:

> Am Sonntag 11 Februar 2007 14:26 schrieb Frank Siegert:
> > Hi Gilles,
> >
> > Caulier Gilles wrote:
> > > Le mardi 6 février 2007 23:40, Frank Siegert a écrit :
> > >> - If you hit "Enter" to preview a picture, it would be very handy if
> > >> you could also go back to the album view with "Enter". Right now that
> > >> needs "Escape", which requires your second hand.
> > >
> > > You go to Preveiw mode using F3 key. You can go out using :
> > >
> > > - F3 again
> > > - ESC
> >
> > I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by
> > hitting <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus
> > it is not really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is also
> > out of reach if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> > Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview
> > mode, why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to
> > me. What do others think?
>
> I would support the idea to go back on mouse click, and I don't mind to do
> it on <Enter> as well.
> Currently when navigating with the mouse only, I have to go a long way and
> find the tiny toolbar icon. But I dont know if user generally expect to go
> back to icon view on a mouse click.
>
> > And what about the other two points, let me repeat them:
> > > - Selecting multiple pictures with "Ctrl + (move around) + Space" (like
> > > you would do in Konqueror with files).
> > > Ctrl will let you move around, while keeping one picture selected, but
> > > it's not possible to select another picture. Only if you want multiple
> > > *neighbouring* pictures, it is possible to use "Shift + Arrowkeys"
> > > though.
> > >
> > > - Popping up the right click menu with that popup menu key between the
> > > right "Alt" and "Ctrl", as it works in many KDE programs.
> >
> > Are these fixable, or does it involve too much work?
>
> I have implemented this on my machine, but not yet commited because of
> ongoing work packaging beta1.
> Key_Space is also used as an accelerator key for "next picture", and this
> seems to filter out Shift+Space as well. I am currently not sure if the
> global shortcut is good or not
>
> Marcel
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I agree with you Marcel, one click (enter key) to get preview and one click
(enter key) to return to album view.

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Marcel Wiesweg wrote:
> I have implemented this on my machine, but not yet commited because of
> ongoing work packaging beta1.

Thanks a lot, Marcel, for committing this now. It works exactly like I
wished for, selecting pictures with Ctrl+Enter as well as the popup menu
key.

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[Dotan Cohen]

On 11/02/07, Frank Siegert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by hitting
> <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus it is not
> really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is also out of reach
> if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview mode,
> why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to me. What
> do others think?
>

This is exactly the type of behaviour that silly know-nothing users
like myself expect. When viewing thumbnails, I expect a click on a
thumbnail to bring up a large image. I expect another click on the
picture to bring me back to the thumbnails view. This is how every
other software (picassa, F-Spot) works. F3 is unintuitive, and the
wife will never find it (or accept that it is there).

Having clicks open the image editor is terrible. This should be configurable.

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Le mardi 20 février 2007 01:27, Dotan Cohen a écrit :

> On 11/02/07, Frank Siegert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by
> > hitting <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus
> > it is not really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is also
> > out of reach if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> > Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview
> > mode, why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to
> > me. What do others think?
>
> This is exactly the type of behaviour that silly know-nothing users
> like myself expect. When viewing thumbnails, I expect a click on a
> thumbnail to bring up a large image. I expect another click on the
> picture to bring me back to the thumbnails view. This is how every
> other software (picassa, F-Spot) works. F3 is unintuitive, and the
> wife will never find it (or accept that it is there).
>
> Having clicks open the image editor is terrible. This should be
> configurable.

Already implemented in svn. Available with 0.9.1 release

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[Gerhard Kulzer]

Am Tuesday 20 February 2007 schrieb Caulier Gilles:

> Le mardi 20 février 2007 01:27, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> > On 11/02/07, Frank Siegert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by
> > > hitting <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it. Thus
> > > it is not really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape> is
> > > also out of reach if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> > > Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview
> > > mode, why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive to
> > > me. What do others think?
> >
> > This is exactly the type of behaviour that silly know-nothing users
> > like myself expect. When viewing thumbnails, I expect a click on a
> > thumbnail to bring up a large image. I expect another click on the
> > picture to bring me back to the thumbnails view. This is how every

This doesn't work yet, Gilles? Am I wrong?

> > other software (picassa, F-Spot) works. F3 is unintuitive, and the
> > wife will never find it (or accept that it is there).
> >
> > Having clicks open the image editor is terrible. This should be
> > configurable.
>
> Already implemented in svn. Available with 0.9.1 release
>
> Gilles
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[Gilles Caulier-4]

Le mardi 20 février 2007 08:14, Gerhard Kulzer a écrit :

> Am Tuesday 20 February 2007 schrieb Caulier Gilles:
> > Le mardi 20 février 2007 01:27, Dotan Cohen a écrit :
> > > On 11/02/07, Frank Siegert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > I assume, that many users, like me, enter the preview mode either by
> > > > hitting <Enter> on a selected picture, or by mouse clicking on it.
> > > > Thus it is not really discoverable to go back with <F3>; and <Escape>
> > > > is also out of reach if navigating with arrow keys, using one hand.
> > > > Since <Enter> and <Click on picture> is not yet taken in the preview
> > > > mode, why not assign it to "Go back to album"? Seems very intuitive
> > > > to me. What do others think?
> > >
> > > This is exactly the type of behaviour that silly know-nothing users
> > > like myself expect. When viewing thumbnails, I expect a click on a
> > > thumbnail to bring up a large image. I expect another click on the
> > > picture to bring me back to the thumbnails view. This is how every
>
> This doesn't work yet, Gilles? Am I wrong?

Partially. click on thumb can open Preview view (or editor, it's configurable
in setup). To backup to album, you can:

- Right click on picture and select "Back to Album" pop-up menu option,
- Press ESC
- Press F3

Personally, i always use F3 to go to preview and back to album, and i'm very
happy like this...

Gilles
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