Closing sidebars?
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How do I close the side bars?
-- Sherwood Botsford Sherwood's Forests Warburg, Alberta T0C 2T0 http://www.sherwoods-forests.com 780-848-2548 _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Click on side bar button.
Gilles Caulier 2009/4/14 Sherwood Botsford <[hidden email]>: > How do I close the side bars? > > -- > Sherwood Botsford > Sherwood's Forests > Warburg, Alberta T0C 2T0 > http://www.sherwoods-forests.com > 780-848-2548 > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Thanks.
Counter intuitive to me. It's like having a radio station button on a car radio act as the off switch if you hit the current button. I would suggest the usual X close window icon as a separate icon in each side panel. (Lots of room for it.) Should I post that as a wish on the bug tracker? > > Gilles Caulier > > 2009/4/14 Sherwood Botsford <[hidden email]>: >> How do I close the side bars? >> >> -- >> Sherwood Botsford >> Sherwood's Forests >> Warburg, Alberta T0C 2T0 >> http://www.sherwoods-forests.com >> 780-848-2548 >> _______________________________________________ >> Digikam-users mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users >> > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > -- Sherwood Botsford Sherwood's Forests Warburg, Alberta T0C 2T0 http://www.sherwoods-forests.com 780-848-2548 _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Re: Closing sidebars?
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On Tuesday 14 April 2009 16:44:25 Sherwood Botsford wrote:
> Thanks. > > Counter intuitive to me. It's like having a radio station button on a > car radio act as the off switch if you hit the current button. > > I would suggest the usual X close window icon as a separate icon in > each side panel. (Lots of room for it.) > Current behavior is typical for many, many KDE applications (and not only them). Also suggested X means rather "removing tab" - like in Konqueror or Firefox. m. _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On martedì 14 aprile 2009 19:29:16, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
: > On Tuesday 14 April 2009 16:44:25 Sherwood Botsford wrote: > > Thanks. > > > > Counter intuitive to me. It's like having a radio station button on a > > car radio act as the off switch if you hit the current button. > > > > I would suggest the usual X close window icon as a separate icon in > > each side panel. (Lots of room for it.) > > Current behavior is typical for many, many KDE applications (and not only > them). Also suggested X means rather "removing tab" - like in Konqueror or > Firefox. It's true. You don't want to remove the sidebar (that's something you do with "x"), but just to hide it. The actual way may seem counteintuitive at the beginnning, but it seems the right way to do these things to me too. It works in the same way not only in konqueror, but also in kate, in quanta and in amarok, and maybe in some other applications. So when you use kde for a while you get used to it, I think (I got used to it a lot of time ago). regards gerlos _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Ok. If this is the KDE Way, who am I to disagree? I don't use KDE
generally. Certain applications are very good. I use digikam. I use Kmail. I don't use Konquerer, kate, or amorok. But I use oocalc mostly because it's so close to excel, that I can use excel help files to find out how to do something obscure. For short quick documents I use abiword. for longer one's I use FrameMaker -- again because FM has decent help files, and I've never lost more than a few words when it has crashed. Minor points: I spent half an hour trying to hide it before I posted. I've been using computers with a raft of different OS's for 30 years I was confused. Were I involved with the UI of KDE, I would try to collect encounters from first time users to verify that what 'everyone is used to' is in fact intuitive. In some cases they are not intuitive, or at least are not what people are used to, but they are better. When I first came to NeXT after using DOS, one of the critical hurdles for me to realize that in a mouse world, it's "Object" -> Verb. in Dos it's verb -> object. (you select an object first, then you say what you want to do versus give a command then the arguments to it.) When they aren't obvious to even a small fraction of new users, they need to be documented early on in the manual. If it is general to the system (E.g. it's the KDE Way, then a pointer from the specific manual to the general needs to be included. Further. I could find no reference to 'close sidebar' in the digikam manual. It's these little things that drive people crazy. In general I think it is a bad idea to have a control have state. What it does should NOT depend on what the present state of the thing controlled. This ads confusion, and lengthens the learning curve. Adobe Illustrator has issues this way: What you can do with a control on a line depends on this history of what you have done before on that line, and there is little visible way to distinguish state. This contributes to AI's learning cliff. (In this case the control HIDES the side bar if the sidebar associated with the control is showing, but BRINGS UP the sidebar if another panel is showing.) This is not intended to start a flame war. It's one person's experience with learning a fairly big package. If this helps you make digikam, or kde better, great. If it even gets the team to take another look at the docs, great. If not, then the sun will still rise in the east. -- Sherwood Botsford Sherwood's Forests Warburg, Alberta T0C 2T0 http://www.sherwoods-forests.com 780-848-2548 _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
Re: Closing sidebars?
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* Sherwood Botsford <[hidden email]> [2009-04-15 08:23:15 -0600]:
> Minor points: I spent half an hour trying to hide it before I posted. > I've been using computers with a raft of different > OS's for 30 years I was confused. Were I involved with the UI of > KDE, I would try to collect encounters from first time users to verify > that what > 'everyone is used to' is in fact intuitive. Just to chime in, I've been using KDE since 1.1/1.2 or thereabouts and when I encoutered this behaviour in digikam it took me at least half an hour to figure out as well. I never got around to sending a bugreport, but if this can be improved for new users, I think it would help people feel comfortable in digikam. A simple indication of state in the sidebar-tab (like an arrow changing direction) would be good, since this doesn't depend on colour differences in various desktop envs. Cheers Simon _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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Sidebar widget is based on KDE libs component. So if you want to see
this widget improved, please post a report to bugzilla KDELibs area, not digiKam... Gilles Caulier 2009/4/15 Simon Oosthoek <[hidden email]>: > * Sherwood Botsford <[hidden email]> [2009-04-15 08:23:15 -0600]: > >> Minor points: I spent half an hour trying to hide it before I posted. >> I've been using computers with a raft of different >> OS's for 30 years I was confused. Were I involved with the UI of >> KDE, I would try to collect encounters from first time users to verify >> that what >> 'everyone is used to' is in fact intuitive. > > Just to chime in, I've been using KDE since 1.1/1.2 or thereabouts and when I > encoutered this behaviour in digikam it took me at least half an hour to figure > out as well. > > I never got around to sending a bugreport, but if this can be improved for new > users, I think it would help people feel comfortable in digikam. > > A simple indication of state in the sidebar-tab (like an arrow changing > direction) would be good, since this doesn't depend on colour differences in > various desktop envs. > > Cheers > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > Digikam-users mailing list > [hidden email] > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users > Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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On mercoledì 15 aprile 2009 17:50:16, Gilles Caulier wrote:
: > Sidebar widget is based on KDE libs component. So if you want to see > this widget improved, please post a report to bugzilla KDELibs area, > not digiKam... > > Gilles Caulier I agreee. Since I've used KDE for a long time it seems natural to me. But I understand that there is a lot of people using digikam *without* running KDE, so they may feel confuse. Maybe a paragraph about these behaviour in the manual could be useful to clarify the thing. How could someone add it? regards gerlos _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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2009/4/16 gerlos <[hidden email]>:
> On mercoledì 15 aprile 2009 17:50:16, Gilles Caulier wrote: > : > Sidebar widget is based on KDE libs component. So if you want to see >> this widget improved, please post a report to bugzilla KDELibs area, >> not digiKam... >> >> Gilles Caulier > > I agreee. > Since I've used KDE for a long time it seems natural to me. But I understand > that there is a lot of people using digikam *without* running KDE, so they may > feel confuse. > Maybe a paragraph about these behaviour in the manual could be useful to > clarify the thing. > > How could someone add it? If you feel motivated and you write a godd english, follow instructions here : http://www.digikam.org/docs Gilles Caulier _______________________________________________ Digikam-users mailing list [hidden email] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/digikam-users |
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