[Bug 192425] New: Star rating setting under thumbnails is a nuisance

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--- Comment #20 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-02 23:41:33 ---
SVN commit 976887 by cgilles:

if image is unrated, draw star properly (not 6 stars)
set fading duration to 600ms
CCBUGS: 192425


 M  +5 -5      ratingwidget.cpp  


WebSVN link: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=976887

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--- Comment #21 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 08:51:41 ---
Marcel,

More reflexions about this entry:

- The problem is to be able to identify where is the rating widget over item.
- It's especially true if item as no rating assigned.
- Until now, rating widget appear only when user move mouse over it.
- It must be more easy, and more homogeneous with selection/rotate buttons to
display rating widget when user move mouse everywhere over item.

What do you think about ?

Gilles Caulier

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--- Comment #22 from Andi Clemens <andi clemens gmx net>  2009-06-03 09:42:22 ---
Maybe we could display the rating widget semi-transparent all the time?
Selected stars will be full color of course, and when you hover over, the
widget becomes fully opaque.

Andi

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--- Comment #23 from Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach wp pl>  2009-06-03 11:26:21 ---
Showing always overlay such complicated elements as 5 stars will create visual
noise - especially when browsing with minimum size of thumbnail.

I would suggest solution from IMatch always show some widget in simple form -
bar, oval after *left* clicking on it menu will appear with choices about
rating / labeling. It *will* create visual noise but IMO smaller than 5 stars.

Also this would allow for removing rating/labeling options from main context
menu making it smaller.

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--- Comment #24 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 11:34:04 ---
>Showing always overlay such complicated elements as 5 stars will create visual
>noise - especially when browsing with minimum size of thumbnail.

agree, to have already tested this solution. Icon view is bloated...

Gilles

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--- Comment #25 from Andi Clemens <andi clemens gmx net>  2009-06-03 11:43:44 ---
Created an attachment (id=34239)
 --> (http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=34239)
too big spaces

IconView is already bloated, or better say has too much spaces.
Look at the screenshot. I normally don't care about creation time etc, I
usually only display the filename.
But there is too much space between the filename and the actual icon.
I think most user will always display the filename, but not the other stuff.
Maybe we should put the filename on top and the stars somewhere else?

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--- Comment #26 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 12:51:37 ---
SVN commit 977032 by cgilles:

Display rating widget when mouse is over icon view item. By this way:
- user can always see where he can click to change rating, especially with
unrated item.
- behavour is the same than select/rotate buttons over icon view item. It's
homogeneous.

With previous behavour, rating widget been displayed only when mouse is over
rating widget area.
User need to discover this feature by searching area. Now, it's more intuitive.
CCBUGS: 192425



 M  +1 -1      imageratingoverlay.cpp  
 M  +18 -5     ratingwidget.cpp  
 M  +5 -2      ratingwidget.h  


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--- Comment #27 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 12:54:33 ---
Marcel, Andi, Mik,

Now it's more clear with my last commit. Try and look like it's more intuitive
to use rating widget over icon view item.

I think we don't need a settings somewhere to enable/disable rating edit mode
over icon view...

Gilles Caulier

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--- Comment #28 from Julien Narboux <Julien narboux fr>  2009-06-03 16:06:24 ---
Created an attachment (id=34243)
 --> (http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=34243)
bug rating widget

There is a bug, a rating widget appears at the wrong place in thumbnail bar.

Julien

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--- Comment #29 from Mikolaj Machowski <mikmach wp pl>  2009-06-03 17:24:31 ---
@27 - Gilles - for me it is near perfect. There is awkward moment when moving
over plate where rating exists they vanish and animation starts from blank
state. It would be better with fluent animation between existing state and
"edit mode".

@25 - Andi - between filename and icon is rating and - hopefully - labeling
area. If this feature is turned on in configuration it should be visible. But
maybe whole plate could accommodate to configuration? For example when
rating/labeling is turned off - collapse plate few pixels, the same for areas
where dates are usually showed, tags, etc.

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--- Comment #30 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 18:06:18 ---
To Julien #28,

Yes, i can reproduce it. It just a side effect, i don't know yet why. Just move
mouse over item and effect will disapear. It sound lie something is not
initialized properlly. investigaution under progress...

Gilles

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--- Comment #31 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 20:54:13 ---
SVN commit 977278 by cgilles:

hide rating widget at thumbbar init.
CCBUGS: 192425


 M  +1 -0      imagepreviewbar.cpp  


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--- Comment #32 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-03 21:00:46 ---
To Julien #28 : It must be fixed now. please try again...

Gilles Caulier

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--- Comment #33 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-06-07 11:30:11 ---
Marcel,

I think we can close definitively this file now. fine for you ?

Gilles

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--- Comment #34 from Marcel Wiesweg <marcel wiesweg gmx de>  2009-06-07 14:56:05 ---
Fine for me

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--- Comment #35 from DGardner <dkde gardnersworld org>  2009-11-09 22:36:51 ---
I had a chance to try out the changes on 1.0.0-beta5 (in Kubuntu 9.10).
It is definitely better than before--in some respects--a quick click on
an image does not change the rating (usually). However, once the stars
are shown, I don't like the following behaviour:

 1. If I click to the right of the stars, but not on them, it assigns
    a 5-star rating. I don't understand this. I did not click on the
    stars, so why is it changing the rating? If I want to assign a
    5-star I should have to click on the fifth star.

 2. If I click to the left of the stars, but not on them or not too
    close to them, it removes the rating. OK, this is one click less
    than having to click on the first star twice, but I keep doing
    this by accident. When I am not trying to remove or change the
    rating (as in 1.) it is very annoying.

 3. If I click to the left of the stars, not on them, but within
    about about one star-width of the first star, a 1-star rating is
    assigned. So, if I click to the left, I either rate it zero or
    one stars depending on the proximity, but, either way, it is
    usually an accident.

 4. After changing the rating, I have to mouse-out and mouse-in to
    the thumbnail panel before I can change the rating again. This is
    annoying if I change it by accident or change it to the wrong value.
    It is also inconsistent with the behaviour in the thumb-bar when
    previewing an image.

On balance, I'd rate this as two steps forward and two steps back. As
the original reporter, I'd really like to see this bug re-opened for
the continuing usability problems to be addressed.

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--- Comment #36 from Gilles Caulier <caulier gilles gmail com>  2009-11-09 23:22:23 ---
re-opened...

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--- Comment #37 from DGardner <dkde gardnersworld org>  2009-11-12 16:44:50 ---
Sorry for harping on, but I have two more usability issues that I'd
like to report:

 5. When I mouse-over a thumbnail to set the rating and click on
    the wrong star (as I do), say the third one, the five stars
    shown in outline collapse to three stars and are re-centred
    in the thumbnail panel. If I want to correct my mistake and
    set the rating to two stars, my first instinct is to click on
    the second star, but, as described in 4. in my previous comment,
    I have to mouse-out-and-in to make the rating editable again.
    However, my second instinct is to mouse-out-and-in and return
    the mouse pointer to the position of the second star, but this
    star now moves to the left because I'm back to the 5-star edit
    mode, which re-centres the stars. The same problem occurs if
    I just see a rating that I want to change: I move the mouse
    pointer to the stars and the stars move left as I enter the
    thumbnail panel, so I have to move the mouse again. I think
    this "moving target" is a usability problem.

 6. When the stars are shown in the thumb-bar on the preview page,
    they can be hard to read, but if a contrasting colour were
    used to outline the stars (just like any mouse pointer since
    the 1970's), they would be easier to see. (Maybe I should open
    a different bug report for this.)

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--- Comment #38 from DGardner <dkde gardnersworld org>  2009-12-09 21:50:46 ---
No change in RC1.

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