AppImage packaging...

[Gilles Caulier-4]

Hi all users,

As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.

I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.

http://appimage.org/

But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.

First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...

2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a Linux Bundle as AppImage ?

3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.

Best

Gilles Caulier

[Veaceslav Munteanu-2]

Hello Gilles,

I think digikam right now is not ready to be packaged as AppImage.

The main reason is because it still depends on kdelibs. I think Krita
is pure Qt. AppImage tries to bundle everything in one file:
1. digikam sources
2. boost
3. opencv
4. exiv
5. raw
6 Qt?

etc..but it will be very bad to include all KDE and it's dependencies.

Veaceslav



On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all users,
>
> As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate
> automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.
>
> I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.
>
> http://appimage.org/
>
> But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would
> to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with
> packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a
> contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.
>
> First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if
> Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...
>
> 2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a
> Linux Bundle as AppImage ?
>
> 3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other
> solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier

[Erick Moreno]

Veaceslav, we already need to include KDE libs when we install Digikam anyway. So, I can't see the difference, the package size?

I really don't know how Appimage handles these redundant dependencies in the same system, but I think that Snap handle this kind of issue very well.

http://snapcraft.io/

[]`s

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Veaceslav Munteanu <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Gilles,

I think digikam right now is not ready to be packaged as AppImage.

The main reason is because it still depends on kdelibs. I think Krita
is pure Qt. AppImage tries to bundle everything in one file:
1. digikam sources
2. boost
3. opencv
4. exiv
5. raw
6 Qt?

etc..but it will be very bad to include all KDE and it's dependencies.

Veaceslav

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi all users,
>
> As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate
> automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.
>
> I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.
>
> http://appimage.org/
>
> But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would
> to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with
> packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a
> contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.
>
> First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if
> Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...
>
> 2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a
> Linux Bundle as AppImage ?
>
> 3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other
> solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier

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[Gilles Caulier-4]

No

Even if Krita has reduced KDE dependencies as digiKam, it still some rules around KDE core API, especially the run-time at startup, that we have dropped.

In fact KDELibs is not a problem to bundle. I do it with Windows and MacOS without problem after a dependencies reduce and especially the runtime, which is a big puzzle. That explain the KDE application running outside Linux is poor.

Gilles

2016-08-09 17:08 GMT+02:00 Veaceslav Munteanu <[hidden email]>:

Hello Gilles,

I think digikam right now is not ready to be packaged as AppImage.

The main reason is because it still depends on kdelibs. I think Krita
is pure Qt. AppImage tries to bundle everything in one file:
1. digikam sources
2. boost
3. opencv
4. exiv
5. raw
6 Qt?

etc..but it will be very bad to include all KDE and it's dependencies.

Veaceslav

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi all users,
>
> As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate
> automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.
>
> I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.
>
> http://appimage.org/
>
> But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would
> to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with
> packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a
> contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.
>
> First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if
> Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...
>
> 2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a
> Linux Bundle as AppImage ?
>
> 3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other
> solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier

[Veaceslav Munteanu-2]

I see that Krita have both AppImage and Snapcraft images, maybe we can ask them for some help...

On 9 Aug 2016 6:07 pm, "Gilles Caulier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

No

Even if Krita has reduced KDE dependencies as digiKam, it still some rules around KDE core API, especially the run-time at startup, that we have dropped.

In fact KDELibs is not a problem to bundle. I do it with Windows and MacOS without problem after a dependencies reduce and especially the runtime, which is a big puzzle. That explain the KDE application running outside Linux is poor.

Gilles

2016-08-09 17:08 GMT+02:00 Veaceslav Munteanu <[hidden email]>:

Hello Gilles,

I think digikam right now is not ready to be packaged as AppImage.

The main reason is because it still depends on kdelibs. I think Krita
is pure Qt. AppImage tries to bundle everything in one file:
1. digikam sources
2. boost
3. opencv
4. exiv
5. raw
6 Qt?

etc..but it will be very bad to include all KDE and it's dependencies.

Veaceslav

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi all users,
>
> As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate
> automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.
>
> I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.
>
> http://appimage.org/
>
> But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would
> to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with
> packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a
> contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.
>
> First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if
> Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...
>
> 2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a
> Linux Bundle as AppImage ?
>
> 3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other
> solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier

[Gilles Caulier-4]

Both bundle to support equal double job... One is enough i think. No need to multiply way to package. Time is limited.

This is why for example, i drop MSVC compiler support and only use cross compiler under Linux through MXE. MSVC is just a waste of time to support and introduce weird problem as necessary to use specific and redistributable M$ dll, force binary to not include debug full symbols, introduce virus risk as it must be compiled under Windows, etc... And i don't talk about the precompiler rules to add in source code to have a clean compilation trace because C++ support is just a pain...

This is why i post this message. What's the best and sustainable in time bundle type for Linux. For me, just one is enough...

Gilles Caulier

2016-08-10 11:03 GMT+02:00 Veaceslav Munteanu <[hidden email]>:

I see that Krita have both AppImage and Snapcraft images, maybe we can ask them for some help...

On 9 Aug 2016 6:07 pm, "Gilles Caulier" <[hidden email]> wrote:

No

Even if Krita has reduced KDE dependencies as digiKam, it still some rules around KDE core API, especially the run-time at startup, that we have dropped.

In fact KDELibs is not a problem to bundle. I do it with Windows and MacOS without problem after a dependencies reduce and especially the runtime, which is a big puzzle. That explain the KDE application running outside Linux is poor.

Gilles

2016-08-09 17:08 GMT+02:00 Veaceslav Munteanu <[hidden email]>:

Hello Gilles,

I think digikam right now is not ready to be packaged as AppImage.

The main reason is because it still depends on kdelibs. I think Krita
is pure Qt. AppImage tries to bundle everything in one file:
1. digikam sources
2. boost
3. opencv
4. exiv
5. raw
6 Qt?

etc..but it will be very bad to include all KDE and it's dependencies.

Veaceslav

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Gilles Caulier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi all users,
>
> As you know, MacOS and Windows packaging are now easy to generate
> automatically with my sets of BASH scripts in digiKam.
>
> I thinking to add AppImage bundle, as Krita do.
>
> http://appimage.org/
>
> But as i pass 2 full months of works to packaging MacOS and Windows, I would
> to be more efficient with Linux Bundle. I'm a little bit tired with
> packaging stuff... After all, i'm developer, not packager. So if a
> contributor would to help me in this task, it will be great.
>
> First Q : There is a real needs for Linux Bundle ? I think yes, even if
> Linux distro do the job, and i know very well how it's complicated to do...
>
> 2nd Q : Somebody know if an automatic service already exist to create a
> Linux Bundle as AppImage ?
>
> 3nd Q : AppImage is the best choice to make Linux Bundle ? I know that other
> solutions exists, but i have no experience on it.
>
> Best
>
> Gilles Caulier